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@jbluhm86 said:

Here you go.

I don't have the time or inclination to watch 15 minutes of supposed experts yammering. Believe whatever you want to. Don't go near anything that's ferromagnetic either.   If I want to discover the dangers of spike protein RNA, I'm totally capable of doing my own research.  One blog with an agenda, that you've brought up multiple times. 

For the time being, I've had it with the conspiracy crap, smart assery of one particular poster, and left wing hate on this forum. Adios.

PS- it took me about 3 minutes to figure out this is one guy spewing stuff....  

No, there is no evidence the spike protein in the COVID-19 vaccines is cytotoxic. Experts say the spike protein created by the human body after mRNA vaccination is different than the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. “The bottom line is the vaccine spike [protein] isn’t toxic,” said Dr. Carolyn Machamer, a cell biology professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. That’s in part because, according to Machamer, the spike protein in SARS-CoV-2 is different than the spike protein created after the administration of the mRNA vaccines.“The vaccine, at least the Moderna and the Pfizer vaccines, the mRNA vaccines, they supply the information to make spike, but it’s not exactly the spike that’s in the virus,” she said.“There are changes that were made on purpose that would prevent the spike protein from being able to undergo binding to the receptor and fusion,” Machamer explained. “And so, all this business about toxicity that has been shown for the real spike protein, the one that doesn't have that block, is totally irrelevant for the vaccine.”

There's plenty more fact check floating around showing that this "cytotoxic" stuff is BUNK from other assorted experts in the cell biology field. I'm not wasting more time than I already have looking into this.  I said it earlier- you have one guy throw his opinion up on the Internet- and damn, it takes on a life of it's own.  4 million views- music to the ears of the antivaxxers.  

@hoorta said:

Fair enough- we don't know what the long term effects of the vaccines will be. But cytotoxic?  If it was, with several hundred million doses administered- we'd certainly have some inkling if they were "cytotoxic", at least in the short term...

Here you go.

@diehardbrownsfan said:

And now the VA is authorizing Transgenders to have sex change operations at government expense.  Meanwhile, thousands of vets get disapproved for service connected ailments.  How the fuck is this fair?

that is just offensive. I guess they figure too many folks in the military aren't sold out lefties. But they figure the trans vote left...

whatever. It's sick and twisted offensive garbage.

@mld-woody said:

The lady that thinks demons make you masturbate? 

The lady that thinks alien DNA is used in medical treatment?

The lady that thinks the govt is making a vaccine to make people not religious?

The lady that blames medical conditions on witches and demons?

The lady who at best runs an urgicare next to her evangelical church?

What exactly does she deserve an apology for?

Christ, the anti science / anti expert sentiment that's growing in this country is going to be our downfall

Took me a bit to connect the dots Woodster. Dr. Devil Sperm...  Total fruit loop. How she ever got a medical license in Texas is a mystery to me..  Medical School in Nigeria? Run by a pack of witch doctors?    Munyumba should stick to economics...  

And covid vaccines will magnetize you....   

@diehardbrownsfan said:

And now the VA is authorizing Transgenders to have sex change operations at government expense.  Meanwhile, thousands of vets get disapproved for service connected ailments.  How the fuck is this fair?

Sometimes- I have to agree with you... A sex change operation should fall under the umbrella of "cosmetic surgery" and AFAIK that's never covered by insurance.  

@mld-woody said:

The lady that thinks demons make you masturbate? 

The lady that thinks alien DNA is used in medical treatment?

The lady that thinks the govt is making a vaccine to make people not religious?

The lady that blames medical conditions on witches and demons?

The lady who at best runs an urgicare next to her evangelical church?

What exactly does she deserve an apology for?

Christ, the anti science / anti expert sentiment that's growing in this country is going to be our downfall

 Unless of course its people who think women have dicks and balls. 

(But we know demons don't cause masturbation. For Woody it's naked pictures of Macaulay Cullkin.)

WSS

@fairhooker11 said:

Starting with the pecker himself...

The lady that thinks demons make you masturbate? 

The lady that thinks alien DNA is used in medical treatment?

The lady that thinks the govt is making a vaccine to make people not religious?

The lady that blames medical conditions on witches and demons?

The lady who at best runs an urgicare next to her evangelical church?

What exactly does she deserve an apology for?

Christ, the anti science / anti expert sentiment that's growing in this country is going to be our downfall

@fairhooker11 said:

Starting with the pecker himself...

@hoorta said:

Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing  a ton of research to see it it works- or not. 

Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...  

Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...   

why should they do R&D when your biden puppet canceled covid patents ? Why would they put all that expense into it when they can't get their R&D investments return?

Biden's plan to cancel life-saving cures for seniors

@jbluhm86 said:

Btw, Dr Robert Malone,

So is the vaccine effective? More or less. But effectiveness isn't always coupled with safe.

Fair enough- we don't know what the long term effects of the vaccines will be. But cytotoxic?  If it was, with several hundred million doses administered- we'd certainly have some inkling if they were "cytotoxic", at least in the short term.

Your body your choice. But for every anti vaxxer who comes down with covid- there's also the chance of a mutation that's going to render the vaccines ineffective.   

BTW- The Internet is a blessing and a curse.    I'm old enough to remember when the "experimental" polio vaccines came out. The difference being back then everyone with a blog (they didn't exist) could spread misinformation, disinformation and outright crap (magnetism anyone?) about the vaccines. You just lined up and got your shot or sugar cubes. So go ahead- take your chances. You might be lucky and not die. OTOH, my younger brother walked with a limp for the rest of his life- he was one of the lucky ones who only got a mild case of polio. 

@hoorta said:

...But OTOH, you're ragging that the proven 95% effective Pfizer and moderna vaccines are iffy? As to let's try another anti parasitical. Yup, Big Pharma conspiracy. 

Btw, Dr Robert Malone,

So is the vaccine effective? More or less. But effectiveness isn't always coupled with safe.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/3-drugs-that-have-failed-to-benefit-covid-19-patients-in-clinical-trials.html

 Here are 3 that I've heard absolutely nothing about.

WSS

@hoorta said:

Nice try. I know how to read those abstracts. Small sample size,  some studies "no statistical difference". MAYBE worth follow up. I hardly call it "controlled" in one study when some subjects were getting hydroxy and a bunch of other drugs. 

MAY... Yup, may. How did the hydroxy studies turn out?

But OTOH, you're ragging that the proven 95% effective Pfizer and moderna vaccines are iffy? As to let's try another anti parasitical. Yup, Big Pharma conspiracy. 

I feel like you and I are having two different conversations, and I'm not quite sure where your hostility is coming from.

In your comment that I replied to above, you said that pharmaceutical companies should be doing a bunch of research on generics like ivermectin and HCQ to test their effectiveness; I agreed and gave my opinion on why I believe that they are not, as it would affect their profit margins.

Secondly, you asked me to provide a couple peer review studies which indicate the effectiveness of ivermectin in the treatment of Covid-19, which I did. Nowhere in anything that I provided did I state that generics are miracle drugs which would magically cure covid-19 overnight. You are correct that some studies showed inconclusive results, but there are others which showed a positive benefit which, logically, one would think warrant follow-up studies and larger clinical trials, which have conspicuously not happened. 

Finally, nowhere in anything I wrote did I "rag" on covid vaccines. I work for a company who's producing the vaccines and have received my two shots, so I have firsthand knowledge on them. By most accounts, they are a great benefit in helping the fight against covid. But, I'm also not blind in believing that they are 100% effective in treating people, nor do we know potential long term side effects from their use. Most medicines and vaccines are developed and tested for well over a decade before they are introduced and approved for public use; these vaccines went from research paper to needles-in-arms in less than a year. The fact that they are being used under emergency authorization by the FDA and the fact that pharma companies have limited to no liability for future effects coming from the usage of the vaccine is concerning. I believe that we need to fight the virus on multiple fronts and not just solely rely on experimental vaccines. This includes generics which have been through longer R&D phases, been on the market longer, and have a more clearly defined safety profile.

@jbluhm86 said:

Use of Ivermectin Is Associated With Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients With Coronavirus Disease 2019: The Ivermectin in COVID Nineteen Study

Role of ivermectin in the prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers in India: A matched case-control study

The effect of early treatment with ivermectin on viral load, symptoms and humoral response in patients with non-severe COVID-19: A pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial

A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness

Inhaled route and anti-inflammatory action of ivermectin: Do they hold promise in fighting against COVID-19?

A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin

Nice try. I know how to read those abstracts. Small sample size,  some studies "no statistical difference". MAYBE worth follow up. I hardly call it "controlled" in one study when some subjects were getting hydroxy and a bunch of other drugs. 

MAY... Yup, may. How did the hydroxy studies turn out?

But OTOH, you're ragging that the proven 95% effective Pfizer and moderna vaccines are iffy? As to let's try another anti parasitical. Yup, Big Pharma conspiracy. 

@jbluhm86 said:

4-5 posts down on the first page. But I don't think discussing ivermectin is too far of an aside from hydroxychloroquine. It's still a conversation of the effectiveness of using inexpensive generic drugs in the treatment of covid-19.

Though the link in the OP was about a non peer reviewed study on HCQ that seemed to have some statistical errors in it. So, not anything really acting as the smoking gun in favor of it. 

@mld-woody said:

So when did this pivot away from HCQ?

4-5 posts down on the first page. But I don't think discussing ivermectin is too far of an aside from hydroxychloroquine. It's still a conversation of the effectiveness of using inexpensive generic drugs in the treatment of covid-19.

@hoorta said:

...Show me a few peer reviewed duplicate studies instead of a guy with an agenda to prove it works- first- and then I might believe it...

Use of Ivermectin Is Associated With Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients With Coronavirus Disease 2019: The Ivermectin in COVID Nineteen Study

Role of ivermectin in the prevention of SARS-CoV-2 infection among healthcare workers in India: A matched case-control study

The effect of early treatment with ivermectin on viral load, symptoms and humoral response in patients with non-severe COVID-19: A pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial

A five-day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness

Inhaled route and anti-inflammatory action of ivermectin: Do they hold promise in fighting against COVID-19?

A COVID-19 prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of ivermectin

@hoorta said:

Great- then some pharmaceutical company should be doing  a ton of research to see it it works- or not Hello? Some people are making one hell of a lot of money selling generic sildenafil of late...   

And why should pharmaceutical companies be doing that? What incentives do they have to do that? They're getting billions in guarenteed money from governments across the world, with little to no liability on them, to make vaccines that net them 3-4x the money that making a generic $4 pill would make them. 

I don't understand why it's so hard for people these days to take off the rose-colored sunglasses and view the world how it actually is, and not how they want it to be. I'm sure that pharmaceutical companies do want to help people, but that isn't at the top of their list. Making money is. You have panicked governments across the world writing pharma companies damn near blank checks to make vaccines that may or may not be effective at stopping covid-19, yet you're expecting that pharma companies should be investing their own money on the side to see if a simple generic drug that costs  a quarter of what they're already getting paid to make works?

And, knowing all this, people still get all sceptical hippo eyes over the suggestion that pharma companies may be trying to bury the lead on ivermectin? I may have been born at night, but I wasn't born last night. I've been around the sun on this rock long enough to understand people and their motivations to make money.

@mld-woody said:

And I think the "anti expert" sentiment in this country is reaching an all time high unfortunately

Fauci hasn't been helping himself in the old respectability biz. 

@tiamat63 said:

And when it doesn't...

Then I'll be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time and hopefully not the last either.