Pasted from Browns.com.   I'm not going to say how much Baker should be paid or how much he’s worth, but this little bit right here says so much. Living through 1,296 starting QBs in 20 years to now having Baker is pretty damn awesome to me 

@calfoxwc said:

The Josh Allen bar has been set. 

SHocker here is that it did not take a backhoe to set it.

@mjp28 said:

But what if the alternative to starting over is paying for a quarterback who sometimes gets you to the playoffs but never any further? Because that’s what’s happening.

Since 2010, the only quarterbacks in the top 10 in salary to even make a Super Bowl are Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, Eli Manning and Peyton Manning.

Brady, of course, has been to six Super Bowls since 2010, but only twice did he rank in the top 10 in salary … which is telling.

To pay or not to pay is exactly the question the Cowboys wrestled with when it came to Dak Prescott. The jury is still out on this one, but so far what they’ve paid for is +3000 vs. +8000 in the futures odds.

This is the decision the Ravens, Browns and Cardinals are going to have to make very soon. The smart money is on them paying. The smarter money is on that not paying off.

GO, DePo, GO!

@ballpeen said:

answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.

not yet.....

The start line. is still a couple months away.... and then there are a few months of data colllection.

@texasag1969 said:

the improvement from that #16

Here's hoping the Takk situation turns out more purposefully than gramma buying a lottery ticket and losing it between the car seats on the way home.

@calfoxwc said:

Well, Baker and the offense had the number 16 defense backing them up. Josh Allen and the Bill's offense had the #4 defense backing them up. They both got to the playoffs, and that is with OBJ hurt for the year. Baker has proven himself to be the real deal. He doesn't run like Mahomes or Allen, but they both have been injured running, too.

https://medium.com/sportsraid/best-nfl-defense-2020-ranking-football-ravens-steelers-chargers-patriots-49ers-saints-bucs-bears-vikings-28c64a1379b8

One of the things I most look forward to is the improvement from that #16 since we concentrated on O the first year and on D this year. Get into the top 10 and maintain that O, this could be one great year with the pressure off Baker & company to score every possession like this past year.

@nickers said:

Then factually speaking.. One could make the case Baker Mayfield did more with less..

yep.

@calfoxwc said:

Well, Baker and the offense had the number 16 defense backing them up. Josh Allen and the Bill's offense had the #4 defense backing them up. They both got to the playoffs, and that is with OBJ hurt for the year. Baker has proven himself to be the real deal. He doesn't run like Mahomes or Allen, but they both have been injured running, too.

https://medium.com/sportsraid/best-nfl-defense-2020-ranking-football-ravens-steelers-chargers-patriots-49ers-saints-bucs-bears-vikings-28c64a1379b8

Then factually speaking.. One could make the case Baker Mayfield did more with less..

@eastsidedawg said:

why does that matter? 

Probably only in that it isn't fair to judge
Baker based solely on the criteria you mentioned.

@calfoxwc said:

BTW, Patrick Mahomes had a 6.3 rating with NFL.Com.  Josh Allen had a 6.4.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-mahomes/32004d41-4840-1939-e4c1-bb89191b4e71

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-allen/3200414c-4c52-9264-bedc-c4ddaf201fe7

Guess what grade they gave Baker Mayfield?

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/baker-mayfield/32004d41-5948-3453-e6ac-1ecff99fdcf6

why does that matter? 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/patrick-mahomes/32004d41-4840-1939-e4c1-bb89191b4e71

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/josh-allen/3200414c-4c52-9264-bedc-c4ddaf201fe7

Guess what grade they gave Baker Mayfield?

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/baker-mayfield/32004d41-5948-3453-e6ac-1ecff99fdcf6

@eastsidedawg said:

Baker is protected far more than josh allen.  Allen had 0 running game baker has a better OL , TE , and RB ,WR are a tie.  

Could baker carry the team like josh allen did i dont think so.   The problem with baker everything has to be right for it to work he  isn't overcoming anything. if you have to pay him 250-300 Mil.  He is going to have to overcome some personnel issues moving forward. can he ? idk

Well Josh has continuity the same coach and coordinators the past three years.

He also lead the league in dropped INTs 21. So if he’s a little unlucky this season you could see a drop in his production. 

@eastsidedawg said:

Baker is protected far more than josh allen.  Allen had 0 running game baker has a better OL , TE , and RB ,WR are a tie.  

Could baker carry the team like josh allen did i dont think so.   The problem with baker everything has to be right for it to work he  isn't overcoming anything. if you have to pay him 250-300 Mil.  He is going to have to overcome some personnel issues moving forward. can he ? idk

Well, Baker and the offense had the number 16 defense backing them up. Josh Allen and the Bill's offense had the #4 defense backing them up. They both got to the playoffs, and that is with OBJ hurt for the year. Baker has proven himself to be the real deal. He doesn't run like Mahomes or Allen, but they both have been injured running, too.

https://medium.com/sportsraid/best-nfl-defense-2020-ranking-football-ravens-steelers-chargers-patriots-49ers-saints-bucs-bears-vikings-28c64a1379b8

@bjh2130 said:

If you look at the numbers baker deserves more.  He's better in every category including rushing yards which blew my mind

Baker is protected far more than josh allen.  Allen had 0 running game baker has a better OL , TE , and RB ,WR are a tie.  

Could baker carry the team like josh allen did i dont think so.   The problem with baker everything has to be right for it to work he  isn't overcoming anything. if you have to pay him 250-300 Mil.  He is going to have to overcome some personnel issues moving forward. can he ? idk

@sdbacker80 said:

He has more endorsements than most guys and he’s a very marketable personality. 

This is something that is going to make him a loooot of money for years to come. The guy’s a natural in front of the camera. Companies are dying to throw gobs of money at star athletes, but the problem is most of them can’t act. Look at how hard they try to milk the cardboard personality of Tom Brady. 

@ballpeen said:

The Josh Allen bar has been set.  Does Baker deserve more or less?  Yes or no.

Will Baker demand more?  Yes or no.

In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.

My answers are No and Yes.

The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen.  Be honest.

If you look at the numbers baker deserves more.  He's better in every category including rushing yards which blew my mind

@gumby73 said:

presser after Brown & Orange scrimmage...

Does this sound like a QB betting on himself & his team winning? 

      fall where they may..

Let's Go Bake ! ?‍?   

And why not...he’s got a great rookie deal (much better than Lamar and even Josh)

He has more endorsements than most guys and he’s a very marketable personality. 

And he’s surrounded by a lot of talent.

He should do really well this coming season.  

@ballpeen said:

The Josh Allen bar has been set. 

Does Baker deserve more or less?  Yes or no.

Will Baker demand more?  Yes or no.

presser after Brown & Orange scrimmage...

Does this sound like a QB betting on himself & his team winning? 

      fall where they may..

Let's Go Bake ! ?‍?   

@ballpeen said:

Does Baker deserve more or less?  Yes or no.

Wait, how the hell is that a yes or no question? ?

@ballpeen said:

The Josh Allen bar has been set.  Does Baker deserve more or less?  Yes or no.

More or less? that isn't a yes or no answer. lol It depends on the team. I think Baker will get a huge contract - but he also knows if he prices his contract too high to keep his offensive line, it's counter-productive.

Will Baker demand more?  Yes or no.

No.

In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.

My answers are No and Yes.

The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen.  Be honest.

Will Baker demand more?  Yes or no.

In most cases, a simple yes or no answer to a complex question gets you to your starting point.

My answers are No and Yes.

The answers aren't a prediction or about what is going to happen.  Be honest.

@jiggins7919 said:

Personally, I'm signing Baker right the eff now, and I'm not looking back. The 4-5 million we'd save a year is the difference between having Wyatt Tellar and not having him. Keeping Chubb vs drafting a rookie. Figuring out how to keep Landry...you get the point. For the first time in basically forever, we have to be stingy with the purse strings. Every penny will count, as we have so many amazing players which require sizeable contracts. 

Oh well... maybe next QB...

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/08/josh-allens-43-million-a-year-contract-extension-is-exactly-why-browns-baker-mayfield-had-to-wait-and-per-sources-still-hasnt-had-any-substantive-talks-yet.html

Allen’s blockbuster deal is also precisely why there’s no way Mayfield could have signed his extension before Allen did, and it would also behoove him to see what fellow 2018 draft classmate Lamar Jackson receives from Baltimore before negotiating in earnest.