@the-cysko-kid said:

Tebow won a playoff game. Against the Steelers in one of my all time favorite NFL moments not related to the browns so he's not all bad. 

And he's a decent person which you seem to hate. I'm not surprised because the people you do seem to like are utter scumbags. 

Totally not true regarding Tebow, he's a cool dude. That's the exact opposite of the point I was trying to make. I have zero respect for Ray Lewis- I haven't forgotten he was with his posse, two guys got murdered- and Ray "couldn't remember what he saw".   There's plenty of guys who happen to be very religious that I admire. Many, or most- don't wear their religion on their sleeve as much as Tim.  Like Phillip Rivers- didya know he's a devout Catholic, and does inspirational talks at conferences on a regular basis?    

@hoorta said:

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for being right. ONCE. Whos to say if the Browns had drafted Allen he wouldn't have been Kitchenized by Freddie, and joined the long line of Browns QB flops?  I don't need to draw attention to myself spouting off the number of times I've been right- which is plenty. (Examples supplied on request) 

Aw, you didn't care for Rosen's attitude\character? Well there's guys like Saint Tebow who wasn't very good- and OTOH, you have wife beaters and druggies who are in the HOF.   

Tebow won a playoff game. Against the Steelers in one of my all time favorite NFL moments not related to the browns so he's not all bad. 

And he's a decent person which you seem to hate. I'm not surprised because the people you do seem to like are utter scumbags. 

@westside-steve said:

 And besides the fact that Tebow seems like a decent young man  who just fell short of the skill set necessary for NF l success Some people, maybe even you, hate him because he believes in God. Not because he was ever a prick lazy or arrogant.

WSS

He's a guy worth rooting for IMO. I've always wanted him to make it primarily due to his sterling moral character. And quit is not in his vocabulary. Do the Browns have one like that? I would propose that the non-using and community involved Garrett is at the top of the list somewhere. He just happens to have more talent that TT, but both really good people nonetheless. Garrett credits the downfall of his much older brother from the NBA due to substance abuse to his own attitude about it today. That and his parents' upbringing. Anyway, good luck to TT in his quest for return to pro ball.

https://blackandteal.com/2021/08/07/tim-tebow-bump-training-camp/

@hoorta said:

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for being right. ONCE. Whos to say if the Browns had drafted Allen he wouldn't have been Kitchenized by Freddie, and joined the long line of Browns QB flops?  I don't need to draw attention to myself spouting off the number of times I've been right- which is plenty. (Examples supplied on request) 

Aw, you didn't care for Rosen's attitude\character? Well there's guys like Saint Tebow who wasn't very good- and OTOH, you have wife beaters and druggies who are in the HOF.   

 And besides the fact that Tebow seems like a decent young man  who just fell short of the skill set necessary for NF l success Some people, maybe even you, hate him because he believes in God. Not because he was ever a prick lazy or arrogant.

WSS

@calfoxwc said:

Weren't high on him? Swimming in Egypt again?

again, you rated him above Allen. and you rated Darnold above Rosen...lol.

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for being right. ONCE. Whos to say if the Browns had drafted Allen he wouldn't have been Kitchenized by Freddie, and joined the long line of Browns QB flops?  I don't need to draw attention to myself spouting off the number of times I've been right- which is plenty. (Examples supplied on request) 

Aw, you didn't care for Rosen's attitude\character? Well there's guys like Saint Tebow who wasn't very good- and OTOH, you have wife beaters and druggies who are in the HOF.   

@westside-steve said:

I personally, with a lot of other Browns fans, thought that Rosen was the most prepared to play in the NFL. I fucked up. I also liked Johnny Colt McCoy Brandon Weeden Trent Dilfer and Brady Quinn so blow me.

???????

WSS

I thought Rosen was the real deal also.

I also was a Quinn fan until i

wasnt lol.

I became numb from that experience….

@hoorta said:

You have the wrong poster in regard to Rosen, was never very high on him. But keep on ragging me about it. It was Mayfield or Darnold- just to refresh your memory.  ... And as to Allen- a stopped clock is right twice a day.  There's your apology. Coming out of Wyoming- Allen couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 20 yards. How did I know that? I watched 5 complete of his college games on tape. There was never any question he could throw a football out of the stadium with an Elway caliber rocket attached to his shoulder. An inaccurate cannon is damn near worthless in the pros. To his credit, he's one of the very rare birds that reworked his mechanics and got orders of magnitude more accurate.   

Weren't high on him? Swimming in Egypt again?

@hoorta said:

"hating" him. How many times do I have to say my QB rankings are 1A Mayfield, 1B Darnold, 3 Rosen, 4 Allen. If I was as big an a-hole as you are about Rosen, I wouldn't even have Allen on my draft board. 

again, you rated him above Allen. and you rated Darnold above Rosen...lol.

???????

WSS

@calfoxwc said:

Well, Hoorta hates being disagreed with - I guess he's taken to antagonizing

every poster here that doesn't go with his nonsense. He did the same thing over

on the football side - threw a royal hissy fit/rage on me for talking about Josh Allen

while he and a few friends KNEW that Rosen was going to be a star pocket passer.

Trouble is, he ended up looking pretty lame - "ordered" me to STFU.

Allen made his first Pro Bowl and made his first All-Pro team in 2020.

and....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/49ers-qb-josh-rosen-going-wrong-direction-in-hunt-for-3rd-qb-spot/ar-AAN6C2o

9ers QB Josh Rosen going wrong direction in hunt for 3rd QB spot

***********************************

   So, I'm waiting for Hoorta to admit he should apologize to me on that, and to the rest

of this forum for trolling TDS BS./

You have the wrong poster in regard to Rosen, was never very high on him. But keep on ragging me about it. It was Mayfield or Darnold- just to refresh your memory.  ... And as to Allen- a stopped clock is right twice a day.  There's your apology. Coming out of Wyoming- Allen couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at 20 yards. How did I know that? I watched 5 complete of his college games on tape. There was never any question he could throw a football out of the stadium with an Elway caliber rocket attached to his shoulder. An inaccurate cannon is damn near worthless in the pros. To his credit, he's one of the very rare birds that reworked his mechanics and got orders of magnitude more accurate.   

every poster here that doesn't go with his nonsense. He did the same thing over

on the football side - threw a royal hissy fit/rage on me for talking about Josh Allen

while he and a few friends KNEW that Rosen was going to be a star pocket passer.

Trouble is, he ended up looking pretty lame - "ordered" me to STFU.

Allen made his first Pro Bowl and made his first All-Pro team in 2020.

and....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/49ers-qb-josh-rosen-going-wrong-direction-in-hunt-for-3rd-qb-spot/ar-AAN6C2o

9ers QB Josh Rosen going wrong direction in hunt for 3rd QB spot

***********************************

   So, I'm waiting for Hoorta to admit he should apologize to me on that, and to the rest

of this forum for trolling TDS BS./

@westside-steve said:

Again you are unable to discuss any topic like a rational human being. Accusations of treason racism xenophobia; all ridiculous. Screaming Maga over and over equally ridiculous. I asked you why 'give me your tired your poor' is relevant today. I asked you if you truly believe that platitude why then should we have any borders whatsoever? I would venture to say that not one single solitary member of this board is xenophobic but the ones with any sense at all are [/B]opposed to Illegal immigration and unchecked hoards of destitute disease-ridden and criminal migrants flooding across the borders never to be dealt with again.

I would also venture to say that not one conservative member of this board is opposed to legal immigration.

After four years of screeching about Trump you people are in charge of the Border. And it's worse than it's been for decades. Try to focus on that.

WSS

Oh many of them will be dealt with. When they kill somebody in a drug war and end up in prison. Assuming the liberals allow police to exist and don't just hire the goddamn Los zetas to be a private security force. 

@hoorta said:

You guys suffer from severe Trump Defense Syndrome- pure  border hysteria, you're positing an nth degree "what if" Steve... Or is DeSantis importing all those immigrants to Florida that are currently making his covid numbers a pile of shit?   

Still waiting for those Mexican pesos to be rolling in to build that wall..        Need anymore proof Steve that Trump was promising bullshit to the weak minded? Back to my original point- xenophobia plays well to the MAGA crowd.   

You have lost it. 

Im sorry brother. There is mental health resources available. You should really look into them.

@hoorta said:

You guys suffer from severe Trump Defense Syndrome- pure  border hysteria, you're positing an nth degree "what if" Steve... Or is DeSantis importing all those immigrants to Florida that are currently making his covid numbers a pile of shit?   

Still waiting for those Mexican pesos to be rolling in to build that wall..        Need anymore proof Steve that Trump was promising bullshit to the weak minded? Back to my original point- xenophobia plays well to the MAGA crowd.   

Again you are unable to discuss any topic like a rational human being. Accusations of treason racism xenophobia; all ridiculous. Screaming Maga over and over equally ridiculous. I asked you why 'give me your tired your poor' is relevant today. I asked you if you truly believe that platitude why then should we have any borders whatsoever? I would venture to say that not one single solitary member of this board is xenophobic but the ones with any sense at all are opposed to Illegal immigration and unchecked hoards of destitute disease-ridden and criminal migrants flooding across the borders never to be dealt with again. 

I would also venture to say that not one conservative member of this board is opposed to legal immigration.

After four years of screeching about Trump you people are in charge of the Border. And it's worse than it's been for decades. Try to focus on that.

WSS

@hoorta said:

You guys suffer from severe Trump Defense Syndrome- pure  border hysteria, you're positing an nth degree "what if" Steve... Or is DeSantis importing all those immigrants to Florida that are currently making his covid numbers a pile of shit?   

Still waiting for those Mexican pesos to be rolling in to build that wall..        Need anymore proof Steve that Trump was promising bullshit to the weak minded? Back to my original point- xenophobia plays well to the MAGA crowd.   

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@westside-steve said:

 So by quoting that poem are you saying that you are in favor of an open border? Anybody in any number from anywhere at any time?  Diseased or not?  If not why would you use that slogan and what makes the statue of liberty sacred? I think those questions are worthy of an answer.

 (And try to remember that even if BDS does exist, And in your case it stands for Biden Defense Synderome, it is solely due to his policies or the policies of his handlers.)

WSS 

You guys suffer from severe Trump Defense Syndrome- pure  border hysteria, you're positing an nth degree "what if" Steve... Or is DeSantis importing all those immigrants to Florida that are currently making his covid numbers a pile of shit?   

Still waiting for those Mexican pesos to be rolling in to build that wall..        Need anymore proof Steve that Trump was promising bullshit to the weak minded? Back to my original point- xenophobia plays well to the MAGA crowd.   

@hoorta said:

BDS is real too FYI hammer... I could look up how many folks crossed the border in the Trump era- or rotted in Mexico. IIRC it was a couple million. 

It's one of your xenophobic, covid infested border crossing refugee dog whistles you guys love to use....  

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Yup- why don't you start up a collection to send the Statue of Liberty back to France?  Ellis Island just shifted a few thousand miles farther south to the Rio Grande. 

@hoorta said:

BDS is real too FYI hammer... I could look up how many folks crossed the border in the Trump era- or rotted in Mexico. IIRC it was a couple million. 

It's one of your xenophobic, covid infested border crossing refugee dog whistles you guys love to use....  

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Yup- why don't you start up a collection to send the Statue of Liberty back to France?  Ellis Island just shifted a few thousand miles farther south to the Rio Grande. 

Man have you lost it or what the fuck?

really?  Its indefensible.

Not About Trump!!  You really can’t see it can you?

@hoorta said:

BDS is real too FYI hammer... I could look up how many folks crossed the border in the Trump era- or rotted in Mexico. IIRC it was a couple million. 

It's one of your xenophobic, covid infested border crossing refugee dog whistles you guys love to use....  

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Yup- why don't you start up a collection to send the Statue of Liberty back to France?  Ellis Island just shifted a few thousand miles farther south to the Rio Grande. 

 So by quoting that poem are you saying that you are in favor of an open border? Anybody in any number from anywhere at any time?  Diseased or not?  If not why would you use that slogan and what makes the statue of liberty sacred? I think those questions are worthy of an answer.

 (And try to remember that even if BDS does exist, And in your case it stands for Biden Defense Synderome, it is solely due to his policies or the policies of his handlers.)

WSS 

@hammertime said:

Very curious.  I promise they would find fault with Trump in defending Biden’s horrendous policy.

 And as we see it’s completely indefensible what’s happening.

but, but, but, Trump……

TDS is real.

BDS is real too FYI hammer... I could look up how many folks crossed the border in the Trump era- or rotted in Mexico. IIRC it was a couple million. 

It's one of your xenophobic, covid infested border crossing refugee dog whistles you guys love to use....  

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Yup- why don't you start up a collection to send the Statue of Liberty back to France?  Ellis Island just shifted a few thousand miles farther south to the Rio Grande. 

@calfoxwc said:

Ever NOT notice that Hoorta, Tex and woodpecker NEVER criticize the border crisis?

pretty telling. and sad.

Very curious.  I promise they would find fault with Trump in defending Biden’s horrendous policy.

 And as we see it’s completely indefensible what’s happening.

but, but, but, Trump……

TDS is real.

@calfoxwc said:

Ever NOT notice that Hoorta, Tex and woodpecker NEVER criticize the border crisis?

pretty telling. and sad.

They can't bash Trump that's why!