@jadbf said:

again. look a little closer. NOT ONE OF THEM ANY WON ANYTHING. They barely ever had winning seasons. I'm sure that can be blamed on the defenses they played with though right?

And yes that is my exact point. DA WILL LIKELY not have anything more than a career as a journeyman pro/back up. And yes. I want more than that from my QB.

And I wont' disagree that you could find many many first round QBs like Quinn who ended up being even bigger busts than all the journeymen I just compared DA to.

My ONLY point was to show folks (not you, puppets can't learn, then can only reguritate what they've been told) who want to point to DA's 2007 season as some sign that he has what it takes to be that HOFer that we all want. that ONE GOOD season doesn't mean a whole lot.

but thanks for playing!

LOL...Caps, multiple ?????, you writing like me now?

@inspecta said:

That is if he's named the starter.

If DA is the starter then we have to look at why was left on the bench by two different coaching regimes.

Well I am not sure if it would have had a big change in last year. Would you have really wanted BQ's first 3 starts to be Pittsburgh, Dallas and Baltimore? And not Denver, Buffalo and Houston? I really don't think that BQ would had done any better than DA did against those 3 teams, but I will give you that he prolly would not have been allot worse.

To answer your question about those 5 starters. No I do not think they were good pros. I do remember Blake having a few good years but he was on a bad team and Grbac had a few good years also. But I think both of them started out as backups and ended up being starters later in their careers.

I look at DA as being closer to Everett and Vinny than to Favre. He is a gunslinger that needs to be coached up. I posted allot of stats for DA for later parts of 2007 and 2008. If you look at them closely the Browns actually did a very good job of winning games when DA was called on to manage the game. In 2007 I believe he was 3 - 0 when throwing fewer than 28 passes but was 0 2 when throwing over 40 times.

So I do actually think that DA would win lots of games if he was on a team that he was able to manage the game. When he tries to win the game then he tends to make mistakes. But if you are throwing the ball 18 to 20 times more than maybe you should then you are more likely to make a bad throw.

If the standard that you want is a HOFer at QB then I think you do not have a QB on the roster that fits that description.

For LUM, when you said that BQ did not lead the team to a FG the link that you provided said that he did lead the Browns to a FG.

2008 stats for Derek Anderson

142 283 50.2 1615 9 3.2 8 2.8 70 5.7 5.1 11.4 161.5 66.5 14 87 5.1 4.5 4.7 3

If you want me to find a QB to fit your situation do you think it is fair that we project his stats over a full 16 game schedule?

he had 9 starts but played half of game 10. So we would have to project it out for 6.5 games

200 399 50.2 2277 13 tds 11 ints

Not a great second year of starting but that would be his stats projected at the same rate over a season (approx). And for Lummy I did look at the opponents he missed and they are comparable to the ones he played against. Really outside of Denver and Cincy the Browns played pretty good defensive teams.

@jadbf said:

So what's your point stat historian?

Are you saying that there is a chance that Anderson could end up with only a solid career instead of a hall of fame career?

You dirty sumbitch!!!!!

And FYI. None of this means Quinn is gonna do jack shit. Cuz there's about 500 guys who've rode pine for a couple years and then left to start their own car dealership. i.e. Quinn's current career track.

@jadbf said:

Jeff George?

Elvis Gerbac?

Joe Flacco?

kordell stewart

@shepwrite said:

He hit one in a practice. It was front page news all over the city. First reports were 50 yards. Grossi said 55, Lane Adkins said 58. Shepwrite estimated 65.

The second deep ball was in the scrimmage. It appeared to cover about 55 yards on the video. shepwrite estimated it at about 75.

If there were any other deep balls Quinn hit, go ahead and fill us in on them.

It's sad...

j/k

lol

I think I was close.

@ytownbrownsbacker said:

CBS Rapid Reports yesterday:

............. hasn't shown accuracy on tosses more than 20 yards throughout camp.....................

Have a nice day Ytown

@lumbergh said:

Sadly this is something that Quinn has not done and does not appear to be getting to that point anytime soon either.

and you know this because you were at camp how many days? these things you actually saw with your own eyes?

you're a clown.....................hit the road with your bullshit.

@greythan said:

Lum riles up the masses, they respond (me included all too often), and the intelligent football talk goes down the toilet.

Its good entertainment. I can sift through it and even enjoy the banter. However, there's no denying it degrades the quality football talk. So, I scratch my head at those who appear to be so offended by the "Quinnies" when they probably wouldn't exist without Lum.

I thought you were banned for that 'other thread'.

j/k

Masters said:

It's a wonder that Momass didn't get hurt last Saturday. He got smashed.

Lum riles up the masses, they respond (me included all too often), and the intelligent football talk goes down the toilet.

Its good entertainment. I can sift through it and even enjoy the banter. However, there's no denying it degrades the quality football talk. So, I scratch my head at those who appear to be so offended by the "Quinnies" when they probably wouldn't exist without Lum.

@lumbergh said:

Put in Quinn!!! We only put up 40 on the Dolphins!!! Did you see that one shitty pass after his 3rd TD pass!!! Quinn woulda put up 60!!!

If your goal has been balance on your forum, how's that going?

@inspecta said:

And turn into a full blown troll...

Are you saying I'd do something similar to what you and BQ Nation have done for the past 2+ seasons?

Put in Quinn!!! We only put up 40 on the Dolphins!!! Did you see that one shitty pass after his 3rd TD pass!!! Quinn woulda put up 60!!!

@playerjdd said:

Quinn fans could/would say this for the next 20 years.

But Quinn's playing time isn't dependent on whether his fans think they've seen enough of him or not.

If he can make big plays, he's gonna have to do it in front of his coach, or he ain't even gonna get a shot to try it in a game.

How are you gonna write this and post a link that contradicts what you said? Maybe you should try to do something we call reading. I know its kinda hard to read when your too busy staring at a naked poster of DA.

You've gotta remember who you're talking about. If it involves a Browns QB and it is good, Lumnuts automatically relates it to his boyfriend. It's not his fault...He has a condition he cannot control...He's gay and in love/lust/whatever with DA. Or he's just a puppet as many on here have suggested and his sole purpose is to get people to reply to his extremely ignorant posts. Either way, puppet or not, doesn't matter. He'll be gone soon enough (or not soon enough depending on how you want to view it).

mz. said:

Shit. Perhaps we're onto something here.......................

I have been harping on that one since the end of the 2007 season. You started to see the frustration of those from BE, KW, and JJ at the end of that season. Then in 2008 both KW and BE start dropping balls they used to catch. Maybe a coincidence, but I have never thought so.

Masters said:

Or the dropsies.

Shit. Perhaps we're onto something here.......................

Helping the handicapped is very noble.

mz. said:

Also called leading guys into vicious hits so they develop gator arms.