@tiamat63 said:

I would hardly call Baker "historically" accurate.

If you're basing accuracy off completion percentage, then you're doing it wrong.

I hear you, but Baker can throw the pill better than he's showed the last few games. I know he's hurting, but I'd be SHOCKED if he didn't play better, even against a good pass defense and a 3rd string LT playing. What I'm hoping for is something similar to the first Steelers game last year when Baker was not good at all. Next game he's flat to start, then was literally perfect after the first quarter against the Bengals. 

Baker typically responds when criticism arrives. This is the toughest game of the year so far, it's cross country, Landry is out, and our LT situation is extremely bad. There's also the potential that Ward is out along with Newsome. There's every excuse in the world to struggle, but I want to see us push that aside and play well. 

@jrb12711 said:

I'd encourage you to review the link I put up a few posts ago. Not to sound crass, but I don't really care what he did in college at this point. But in the NFL by most metrics he's been an above average accuracy guy, especially since week 7 2020 to current.

I'm curious how expected completion percentage is calculated?

There was one thing that was made incredibly clear to me when watching Corey Coleman when we took him out of Baylor and his PFF's grades --> projection.     Not all formulas take offensive design into account.   

Obviously this is sort of an apples to oranges in this case. But I'm just highlighting some of my concerns.  I'm not saying Baker is incredibly inaccurate.   But when he has been off, his turnover worthy throws go up quite a bit. 

@dutch-oven said:

Brandon Weeden had an incredible completion percentage in college football, in fact, higher than Baker's. 

You are absolutely correct. 

I'd encourage you to review the link I put up a few posts ago. Not to sound crass, but I don't really care what he did in college at this point. But in the NFL by most metrics he's been an above average accuracy guy, especially since week 7 2020 to current.

@nickers said:

Willoughby-South Little league

Orange slices lined up on a paper towel is a kind of gap integrity.

I am not a crank.

On Sunday several times Baker missed by an overthrow rather than an underthrow of the target.. Yes, he's injured, and there's probably some pain -- but he needs to work through it because this will be his reality this season.  Physically nothing long-term after surgery&rehab - just needs to adapt to the new feelings within his body as he throws..

@tiamat63 said:

I would hardly call Baker "historically" accurate.

If you're basing accuracy off completion percentage, then you're doing it wrong.

Brandon Weeden had an incredible completion percentage in college football, in fact, higher than Baker's. 

You are absolutely correct. 

@tiamat63 said:

I would hardly call Baker "historically" accurate.

If you're basing accuracy off completion percentage, then you're doing it wrong.

Eh, I'm not sure saying he's inaccurate is right either. The nerds coming up with new methodologies, for example, actually have Baker looking really strong with the so called "expected completion" models" https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/quarterback-accuracy-expected-on-target-percentage-baker-mayfield-russell-wilson/

I'm not calling Mayfield Drew Brees, but he's been pretty on target most of his career.

@jiggins7919 said:

What I can't understand is why a guy who's historically accurate can't hit an open WR.

I would hardly call Baker "historically" accurate.

If you're basing accuracy off completion percentage, then you're doing it wrong.

@jiggins7919 said:

What I can't understand is why a guy who's historically accurate can't hit an open WR. I can live with the sacks, a little, if the REWARD was occasionally there, ya know? That's what I can't wrap my head around. 

For example, on that ridiculous triple-move OBJ route had in the red zone, if you remember, OBJ faked the slant, faked the dig, and then went to the corner. Baker threw the ball 10 feet out of bounds. It had nothing to do with "timing" or getting on the same page. Baker just threw it into the stratosphere. 

That's what I can't explain. To be fair, that's a shitty play call that requires a pinpoint throw to an exact spot. Either your guy gets it or nobody does, but we're a HEAVY analytical team and I KNOW Stefanski realizes that play is uber low percentage. Conversely, coach expects his QB to hit the pass. So what gives? 

After I painfully watched the game again, I paid particular attention to Baker. The single biggest difference I see is Baker's frantic nature. When you watch that end zone overthrow to Hunt, which cost us 7 points, you see how unhinged Baker appears. He threw the ball 100 mph and naturally it went high. 

I'll end with this:  one of Baker's best games came week 7 against Cincy. After a dismal 1st quarter, which basically ended with Baker throwing yet another awful pass to OBJ which lead to the blown knee, Baker was perfect. Not good, not great, PERFECT. This performance also came after the first Pittsburgh game, which was one of his WORST games. My point? Baker generally responds to a poor game and he thrives on people saying he's not good enough. 

Watch for the short passing game to our RBs and TEs to set up our running game, and then watch for the deep shot after we cross midfield. Just have to hit it. 

It's now official that Baker has a bum shoulder in his non throwing arm. That's one factor. As the guys in Red Zone pointed out on Monday- he's overcompensating by trying to rifle the ball- and his accuracy is going to hell.  

@tiamat63 said:

Oh no, I believed you.  That much was never in doubt here.

Fair enough...

@nickers said:

Its the truth and I have friends , teamates and family who can corroborate it , dip shit... I played DE for Nebraska of the Willoughby-South Little league in the mid 70's.. So take your BS and jammit up yer chute.. Mr. Know it all...!

Oh no, I believed you.  That much was never in doubt here.

@tour2ma said:

There are more positions on the field QB and WR,,,

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/10/baker-mayfield-is-getting-worse-under-pressure-and-its-not-a-new-trend.html

Our OL is not living up to its billing and a buzz saw awaits us in LAC...

You mean Bosa awaits us in LaLa land?  We gonna run, run, and run some more...  

@tiamat63 said:

If that is the comeback, it's actually pretty good in an ironic way ?

Its the truth and I have friends , teamates and family who can corroborate it , dip shit... I played DE for Nebraska of the Willoughby-South Little league in the mid 70's.. So take your BS and jammit up yer chute.. Mr. Know it all...!

@tour2ma said:

So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.

What I can't understand is why a guy who's historically accurate can't hit an open WR. I can live with the sacks, a little, if the REWARD was occasionally there, ya know? That's what I can't wrap my head around. 

For example, on that ridiculous triple-move OBJ route had in the red zone, if you remember, OBJ faked the slant, faked the dig, and then went to the corner. Baker threw the ball 10 feet out of bounds. It had nothing to do with "timing" or getting on the same page. Baker just threw it into the stratosphere. 

That's what I can't explain. To be fair, that's a shitty play call that requires a pinpoint throw to an exact spot. Either your guy gets it or nobody does, but we're a HEAVY analytical team and I KNOW Stefanski realizes that play is uber low percentage. Conversely, coach expects his QB to hit the pass. So what gives? 

After I painfully watched the game again, I paid particular attention to Baker. The single biggest difference I see is Baker's frantic nature. When you watch that end zone overthrow to Hunt, which cost us 7 points, you see how unhinged Baker appears. He threw the ball 100 mph and naturally it went high. 

I'll end with this:  one of Baker's best games came week 7 against Cincy. After a dismal 1st quarter, which basically ended with Baker throwing yet another awful pass to OBJ which lead to the blown knee, Baker was perfect. Not good, not great, PERFECT. This performance also came after the first Pittsburgh game, which was one of his WORST games. My point? Baker generally responds to a poor game and he thrives on people saying he's not good enough. 

Watch for the short passing game to our RBs and TEs to set up our running game, and then watch for the deep shot after we cross midfield. Just have to hit it. 

@dutch-oven said:

Oh man...

He did not actually come back with "I played little league ball", did he? 

Wow. 

If that is the comeback, it's actually pretty good in an ironic way ?

@nickers said:

Shut up you over bloated idiot.. You know nothing about me you asshole!.. I played little league ball... Shows how much you know.. which is absolute ZERO!

Oh man...

He did not actually come back with "I played little league ball", did he? 

Wow. 

@tiamat63 said:

Oh good, before you became a crippled I wondered if there was an outside shot you had played football at any level.  Now I know you haven't. 

Edit: To flesh out my point.  Offensive players, skill players mostly, always "yap" in each others ears after drives.  Especially drives that stall out.  Who got their assignment? What coverage did they draw? Brackets, pressures, rotations, depths, alignments, man-match, zone pass-offs, what they might do if they get certain looks...  anything you can think of.

You'd know that if you had played a down of real ball.   Save the snide comments. 

Shut up you over bloated idiot.. You know nothing about me you asshole!.. I played little league ball... Shows how much you know.. which is absolute ZERO!

@tour2ma said:

So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.

and here's what i don't think the OBJ media gets that's a true factor in this...

1) Odel got here in 2019.. Kitchens was the play caller & HC...It's the only year on the books that Odell & Landry both played in 15 games..

2) 2020..Enter Stef.. Landry plays 15 games.. Odell only plays 7 games..  (-- 8 games)

3)2021... Landry with OBJ = Zero Games played

Stef vs Kitchens coaching ? Verse both playing? sorry, but I'm not seeing the debate here with only 7 games played when both are on the field.

Landry's YAC is a missing tangible that we have really missed in 2 games..        

@nickers said:

It's called OBJ yappin in Bakers ear.. And Baker trying to appease his friend more or less...

Oh good, before you became a crippled I wondered if there was an outside shot you had played football at any level.  Now I know you haven't. 

Edit: To flesh out my point.  Offensive players, skill players mostly, always "yap" in each others ears after drives.  Especially drives that stall out.  Who got their assignment? What coverage did they draw? Brackets, pressures, rotations, depths, alignments, man-match, zone pass-offs, what they might do if they get certain looks...  anything you can think of.

You'd know that if you had played a down of real ball.   Save the snide comments. 

@gunnergatski said:

Praying the deluge of sarcasm was comprehended, Tour.

Back at ya GG...

@tour2ma said:

ANd I won a SB starting JFF   so there!

So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.

Praying the deluge of sarcasm was comprehended, Tour.

@gunnergatski said:

LoOk gUyS i PlAy mAdDeN. AND I  CAN TELL YOU OBJ IS BALLIN IN MADDEN SO ITS BAKER'S FAULT AND REAL OBJS  FAULT.  THEY SHOULD PERFORM MORE LIKE THEIR STATISTICAL APPROXIMATIONS.

ANd I won a SB starting JFF   so there!

@jiggins7919 said:

If you remember Baker's 2nd year, he wasn't as good. Partially because of the long routes

So playcalling, too... If I had to guess, I'd guess OBJ's targets are deeper than those of our other WRs.Add that most of our short-threats are nicked up and that's a bad combo.