@tiamat63 said:

So defensive calls usually go...

- front. 

- gap assignment change (stunt, twist, slant)  if called.  If not, then just the front. 

- coverage (and extra language for depth and alignment if applicable) 

- receiver key and/or tag for certain personnel  (based on formation usually) 

Then the defense communicates a series of checks depending on the looks they get - motion, empty, stack, trio, how far certain assignments may carry receivers, assignment swap.  Post snap you can get an under call, a (we called it) bounce ball against deep crossers,  key reads for man-match, etc etc.    Just constant communication for the best defenses.  

So pretend you're a defense coordinator and you're calling in a play. Just say "prevent" and let me know how confused your defensive helmet looks trying to give that call to 10 other men.

Is it a 7 or 8 man drop?  What kind of coverage?  What depth?  How do you want the front on a 3 man drop? 

"Prevent" is a very vague term that is about as antiquated and inaccurate as 34/43 defense. 

Thanks for the very technical definition. Many times in practice those types of defenses give up too many yards (and scores) trying to run out the clock.  

@sdbacker80 said:

That’s a very good description “very good football player” with not much a supporting cast now or even in years past. The Past couple years I thought he runs too much he’s going to get hurt.  He’s been healthy thus far.

Let's just look at two young quarterbacks in reality land and fantasy land head to head...... it's a good thing I had a good supporting cast.  

4 vs 5 TDs ?    50 vs 48 ?

@sdbacker80 said:

Raiders had a good plan.  I saw a film breakdown right after that game.

Gus Bradley charged the mesh point.  The unblocked defender would go right at Lamar forcing him to make a quicker decision (handoff, keep) and it hurried some of his throws too.  They also did a heavy dose of cover three.  Man coverage is the kiss of death against him.  It is assignment football nowadays you see a lack of discipline over the course of game where someone doesn’t do their assignment (trying to make a play outside of their assignment).
 

That’s a very good description “very good football player” with not much a supporting cast now or even in years past. The Past couple years I thought he runs too much he’s going to get hurt.  He’s been healthy thus far.

He's put that team on his back and just keeps on winning. 

I still have my doubts about him long-term, but right now you have to tip your cap to him. 

@dutch-oven said:

I'm starting to think we collectively need to come to the realization that Lamar Jackson is very good. 

Not prototypical, in some ways flawed, but still, a very good NFL player. 

Raiders had a good plan.  I saw a film breakdown right after that game.

Gus Bradley charged the mesh point.  The unblocked defender would go right at Lamar forcing him to make a quicker decision (handoff, keep) and it hurried some of his throws too.  They also did a heavy dose of cover three.  Man coverage is the kiss of death against him.  It is assignment football nowadays you see a lack of discipline over the course of game where someone doesn’t do their assignment (trying to make a play outside of their assignment).
 

That’s a very good description “very good football player” with not much a supporting cast now or even in years past. The Past couple years I thought he runs too much he’s going to get hurt.  He’s been healthy thus far.

Not prototypical, in some ways flawed, but still, a very good NFL player. 

@nickers said:

It was prevent... Don't let him con you... Soft defense equates to prevent.. Just as the dead spirit of George Allen... Who authored the prevent D.. And Bill Arnsparger championed it.

So defensive calls usually go...

- front. 

- gap assignment change (stunt, twist, slant)  if called.  If not, then just the front. 

- coverage (and extra language for depth and alignment if applicable) 

- receiver key and/or tag for certain personnel  (based on formation usually) 

Then the defense communicates a series of checks depending on the looks they get - motion, empty, stack, trio, how far certain assignments may carry receivers, assignment swap.  Post snap you can get an under call, a (we called it) bounce ball against deep crossers,  key reads for man-match, etc etc.    Just constant communication for the best defenses.  

So pretend you're a defense coordinator and you're calling in a play. Just say "prevent" and let me know how confused your defensive helmet looks trying to give that call to 10 other men.

Is it a 7 or 8 man drop?  What kind of coverage?  What depth?  How do you want the front on a 3 man drop? 

"Prevent" is a very vague term that is about as antiquated and inaccurate as 34/43 defense. 

@hoorta said:

OK soft coverage to eat clock. 

It was prevent... Don't let him con you... Soft defense equates to prevent.. Just ask the dead spirit of George Allen... Who authored the prevent D.. And Bill Arnsparger championed it.

@nickers said:

They are the luckiest team in Football right now... They're doing it with smoke and mirrors...

And they just happen to be in the AFCN  unfortunately for the BROWNS.   

BUT when the season is over it's just W L Ties that count no points for luck or *DONKS* off the goal posts.   

An ugly win is still a win........or loss like KC, LAC so far for CLE.   BUT hey still 12 games to go !

@hoorta said:

Yeah, the Colts beat the snot out of them for 55 minutes,  and couldn't finish the deal. 

Chiefs heading for a  certain game winner and fumble. A 66 yard FG that has about a 5%  chance of being good. They could easily be  2-3.

Not the same Ole Ravens D…and hopefully we’ve learned how to defend Lamar. I hope we can expose the fraud.

Having said that, I don’t know how the Chargers are going to defend the run against the Ravens and I expect Wink to blitz the hell out of Herbert.  So they may go 5-1. Call the Ravens fortunate again for us to soften the Chiefs for them and now the Chargers 
 

The AFC is WIDE open 

@sdbacker80 said:

The good news the Rats are the most vulnerable 4-1 team I’ve ever seen. The bad news they are 4-1. 

Yeah, the Colts beat the snot out of them for 55 minutes,  and couldn't finish the deal. 

Chiefs heading for a  certain game winner and fumble. A 66 yard FG that has about a 5%  chance of being good. They could easily be  2-3.

@tiamat63 said:

It isn't "prevent" it was a very generous cover 2.

Prevent doesn't exist.  That word doesn't exist in a defensive call the way people think.  

OK soft coverage to eat clock. 

@nickers said:

They are the luckiest team in Football right now... They're doing it with smoke and mirrors...

The Colts were afraid of getting beat deep due to Lamars uncanny accuracy on passes over 15 yards lol 

@sdbacker80 said:

The good news the Rats are the most vulnerable 4-1 team I’ve ever seen. The bad news they are 4-1. 

They are the luckiest team in Football right now... They're doing it with smoke and mirrors...

They are going to have to beat them on their own. Hopefully the Browns can be relatively healthy when they meet. 

@mjp28 said:

Kickers can't live with them can't live without them.   

Even the reliable Nathan Crosby, whom I watched in HS here, fell completely apart on Sunday, until he redeemed himself with the game winner.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/10/mason-crosby-youve-got-to-take-joy-in-the-moments/

@mjp28 said:

BAL 31-25 Indianapolis just blew it.

Hurts 

@hoorta said:

Annnddd the Ratbirds 100 yard rushing streak  ends. Colts play the "prevent victory" defense. 

It isn't "prevent" it was a very generous cover 2.

Prevent doesn't exist.  That word doesn't exist in a defensive call the way people think.  

@tiamat63 said:

Unless Lamar turns into Peyton Fucking Manning, I'm not too worried.    Their offense seems more obsessed with getting that rushing mark, plus they're having trouble slowing down the Colts front.

Annnddd the Ratbirds 100 yard rushing streak  ends. Colts play the "prevent victory" defense. 

@gumby73 said:

all the division torture my eye lids can handle in one weekend  ? ....    f'n kickers 

Kickers can't live with them can't live without them.   

@mjp28 said:

25-25 book it baby.  IND +7' should be good too.

OT .