@jbluhm86 said:

One could argue that sentiment is the reason why our federal deficit is as huge as it is and continues to grow.

Sure one certainly could. If, of course, one was just looking for somebody to blame. When I see the other Generations doing something about it rather than point fingers I will put more stock in to that theory. I don't think it's the Boomers, though, who put Joe Biden into office and his merry band of socialists and their policies that fuel the free shit express as they give the Weimar Republic a run for their money.

Why should the Boomer's care how big the deficit gets if they're going to be dead before the bill comes due? After all, they won't be around to pay for the continued kicking of the can down the road; let their children's and grandchildren's generation deal with the results of the Boomer's poor fiscal decision.

Of course in this case I'm not supporting the policies that are going to make things so bad for the millennials kids. That's their own doing so fuck  'em.

WSS

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Even though your generation is the weakest in history?  LMAO!

Hard to blame the quality of the apples that fall from the tree when the tree is rotten to begin with. GenX and millennials are their parent's children.

@jbluhm86 said:

One could argue that sentiment is the reason why our federal deficit is as huge as it is and continues to grow. Why should the Boomer's care how big the deficit gets if they're going to be dead before the bill comes due? After all, they won't be around to pay for the continued kicking of the can down the road; let their children's and grandchildren's generation deal with the results of the Boomer's poor fiscal decision.

Even though your generation is the weakest in history?  LMAO!

@westside-steve said:

Nice work nonsense talking point from the 80s! 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-economy-idUSKBN29000C

But I'll be dead and I don't care about the kid or kids you and your partner adopt.

Nothing lasts forever.

But hey all those out of work Associate's degrees kids can play Warcraft online.

WSS

One could argue that sentiment is the reason why our federal deficit is as huge as it is and continues to grow. Why should the Boomer's care how big the deficit gets if they're going to be dead before the bill comes due? After all, they won't be around to pay for the continued kicking of the can down the road; let their children's and grandchildren's generation deal with the results of the Boomer's poor fiscal decision.

@mld-woody said:

Christ Steve. Read the articles you post. Then try to actually read what I post. Then try to not put words in my mouth. 

If you can do all of that, let me know

Or you're just trying to pull off of the wealth gap graphs ... Which would be something you'd try to do

You need to look at the big picture. You won't. So who cares. If you're too stupid to see that empires rise and fall then carry on Pollyanna. If you care to do anything but gripe you can easily look up the changing tide of world powers over the last two or three hundred years. But no problem America's going to be on top for eternity.

And I'm not saying that your boy is the sole cause of the Chinese take over but he certainly isn't helping. And just like everywhere else throughout time children born into a world dominated by the Chinese will not do any difference and grandparents telling them history will just be fairy tales. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_great_powers

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Strict lockdowns?  You think that's the key? 

WSS

Christ Steve. Read the articles you post. Then try to actually read what I post. Then try to not put words in my mouth. 

If you can do all of that, let me know

Or you're just trying to pull off of the wealth gap graphs ... Which would be something you'd try to do

@mld-woody said:

That article states that China is going to be the top dog, but not about how they got there. Only thing mentioned was strict lockdowns...

But hey, no need to innovate and productivity is overrated. Just find more poor people!  

I'm sure they're doing fine.... Oh wait

Strict lockdowns?  You think that's the key? 

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Nice work nonsense talking point from the 80s! 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-economy-idUSKBN29000C

But I'll be dead and I don't care about the kid or kids you and your partner adopt.

Nothing lasts forever.

But hey all those out of work Associate's degrees kids can play Warcraft online.

WSS

That article states that China is going to be the top dog, but not about how they got there. Only thing mentioned was strict lockdowns...

But hey, no need to innovate and productivity is overrated. Just find more poor people!  

I'm sure they're doing fine.... Oh wait

@mld-woody said:

If that's what you decided then alright...

No need to do anything. The trickle down will kick in any minute... Surely 

Nice work nonsense talking point from the 80s! 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-economy-idUSKBN29000C

But I'll be dead and I don't care about the kid or kids you and your partner adopt.

Nothing lasts forever.

But hey all those out of work Associate's degrees kids can play Warcraft online.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Doesn't really matter it will all be self serve through an app. Dirt balls that won't work for 15 bucks an hour won't work at all because Woody's Administration of choice will just send them checks. Pretty simple. Video game weed couch TV versus frying hamburgers and putting them in a bag.

WSS

If that's what you decided then alright...

No need to do anything. The trickle down will kick in any minute... Surely 

@canton-dawg said:

My local neighborhood MCDonalds is advertising $18 an hour plus a $1000 sign on bonus.

Looks like today’s kids think they are worth more than that to fry a burger, or pour a cup of coffee.

Doesn't really matter it will all be self serve through an app. Dirt balls that won't work for 15 bucks an hour won't work at all because Woody's Administration of choice will just send them checks. Pretty simple. Video game weed couch TV versus frying hamburgers and putting them in a bag.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Plus back to minimum wage, which has nothing to do with this conversation, the lowest rung of the social Evolution ladder already refuses to work for 15 bucks an hour.

WSS

My local neighborhood MCDonalds is advertising $18 an hour plus a $1000 sign on bonus.

Looks like today’s kids think they are worth more than that to fry a burger, or pour a cup of coffee.

WSS

@mld-woody said:

I listed a handful of things. You chose to ignore them. I also never said pay has nothing to do with it but we don't have to necessarily be the cheapest. The minimum wage is long overdue for a raise. That's a separate issues.

 actually you did you said specifically regulations and unions had nothing to do with it.

Succeeding in manufacturingisn't just paying the workforce less..

 Wages and regulations certainly have an impact. 

And I certainly didn't ignore at least a couple of your silly points. More money? Even a wider gap between China and the US? Good thinking. It's the one I originally mentioned for menial workers? Come on man. And more regulations? Didn't I say regulations were part of the problem? Your proposal to close the loopholes so that Americans can't Outsource will make American manufactured more or less expensive? While you're thinking remember that will make American stuff even more expensive. So, sorry, more free shit more higher education higher wages more regulations especially the environmental crap that the Chinese are asked to participate in.... and I know you believe history began 20 years ago but how do you think American industry got where it was? By paying top dollar to Highly Educated workers, or importing poor people from the South and Eastern Europe to work in the factories?

WSS

@westside-steve said:

Look you insist upon being simply quarrelsome about many issues. I'm sure there are other reasons that China is eating our lunch. If you believe labor cost including benefits including regulations have nothing to do with Manufacturing and it all falls on the shoulders of higher education good for you. By the way if you really don't tell me what does? You guys demanded $15 an hour for the lowest set of skilled workers in America and nobody will do those. 

WSS

I listed a handful of things. You chose to ignore them. I also never said pay has nothing to do with it but we don't have to necessarily be the cheapest. The minimum wage is long overdue for a raise. That's a separate issues.

Succeeding in manufacturingisn't just paying the workforce less... 

@mld-woody said:

Not at all what I was talking about. This is also the industry I work in. And I've worked in union shops, supervised UAW employees. I'm not gospel, but I have experience here.

But sure, whatever you said. 

Look you insist upon being simply quarrelsome about many issues. I'm sure there are other reasons that China is eating our lunch. If you believe labor cost including benefits including regulations have nothing to do with Manufacturing and it all falls on the shoulders of higher education good for you. By the way if you really don't tell me what does? You guys demanded $15 an hour for the lowest set of skilled workers in America and nobody will do those. 

WSS

@westside-steve said:

No doubt Woody. I'm sure that the millions and millions of piece workers in sweatshops across China are cranking out tons of plastic grey market products because of their associate degrees in marketing from the Beijing branch of Tri-C.

Of course I wonder how many Chinese get the opportunity to sit home and watch The View and get a check from Joe Biden?

PS people with doctorates degrees probably aren't working at the factory on the line. Just a guess.

WSS

Not at all what I was talking about. This is also the industry I work in. And I've worked in union shops, supervised UAW employees. I'm not gospel, but I have experience here.

But sure, whatever you said. 

@cccjwh said:

Fucking hilarious. Massive tax cut for the rich, not a word about the debt it is causing. Cheetos Jesus putting 7 Trillion on the debt, not a word. But invest in the future of the country and boy do you guys cry and cry and cry. China is the manufacturing capital of the world, because they create the infrastructure to do it. Oh shit, I did it again. I started trying to reason with you guy as if you were just a bunch of cult members. My bad. You guys think Mexico paid for the wall and the tax cuts will pay for themselves. Bahahahahaa

I think we found one.  A real Biden supporter.

Hope your proud.   Let go of the TDS, it’s eating you up.

@mld-woody said:

Unions and regulations are not what is hurting manufacturing... Those are just two easy Boogeymen. "lame talking points" indeed. 

Actually tax the rich like we used to and use that money to fund higher skilled training, skilled trades, etc. Use it to invest in renovating old infrastructure and modernizing equipment through incentives. Close company loopholes and utilize other means to keep production in the states. Fund higher education around advanced manufacturing research. Etc etc etc. 

No doubt Woody. I'm sure that the millions and millions of piece workers in sweatshops across China are cranking out tons of plastic grey market products because of their associate degrees in marketing from the Beijing branch of Tri-C.

Of course I wonder how many Chinese get the opportunity to sit home and watch The View and get a check from Joe Biden?

PS people with doctorates degrees probably aren't working at the factory on the line. Just a guess.

WSS

Actually tax the rich like we used to and use that money to fund higher skilled training, skilled trades, etc. Use it to invest in renovating old infrastructure and modernizing equipment through incentives. Close company loopholes and utilize other means to keep production in the states. Fund higher education around advanced manufacturing research. Etc etc etc. 

@cccjwh said:

Fucking hilarious. Massive tax cut for the rich, not a word about the debt it is causing. Cheetos Jesus putting 7 Trillion on the debt, not a word. But invest in the future of the country and boy do you guys cry and cry and cry. China is the manufacturing capital of the world, because they create the infrastructure to do it. Oh shit, I did it again. I started trying to reason with you guy as if you were just a bunch of cult members. My bad. You guys think Mexico paid for the wall and the tax cuts will pay for themselves. Bahahahahaa

Of course these lame talking points and cliches that you spew on a regular basis the reason it's impossible to respect your opinion. Unfortunately that's the modus operandi of most Democrats.

But of course China is the manufacturing capitol of the world because of many reasons. Not being gouged by ridiculous Union demands and very little attention paid to regulation puts them ahead of the United States. Not to mention the fact that the population has been starving for centuries and now a few crumbs cast before them seems like immeasurable riches.

But unless you're just stupid you can look back over president after president after president and see in which Administration "de rich" pay significantly more or less.

I'll give you a hint genius the tax laws are written has to make most of the rates avoidable and the rich manse accountants are aware of that.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

It is an ill wind indeed that blows no one any good. No doubt some of this frivolous spending will benefit the United States and some will be garden-variety graft. (You think some of the 'budget-conscious' Republicans that broke rank get a piece of this?) Of course some will be the usual society killing free s***.

I used to tell phone solicitors calling from some phony organization with names like like the blank blank of sheriff's police military blank that if they would mail me a list of their expenses and payouts I would send them $10. Usually the minimum wage grunt working the phones would get angry but one organization did. I forget who but I sent them the ten bucks because I promised I would. It was pretty funny the actual amount the charity gave to whatever group of bums they were supporting was tiny and there were expenses including automobiles entertainment Etc and other administrative costs totaling well over 95%.

WSS

Fucking hilarious. Massive tax cut for the rich, not a word about the debt it is causing. Cheetos Jesus putting 7 Trillion on the debt, not a word. But invest in the future of the country and boy do you guys cry and cry and cry. China is the manufacturing capital of the world, because they create the infrastructure to do it. Oh shit, I did it again. I started trying to reason with you guy as if you were just a bunch of cult members. My bad. You guys think Mexico paid for the wall and the tax cuts will pay for themselves. Bahahahahaa

I used to tell phone solicitors calling from some phony organization with names like like the blank blank of sheriff's police military blank that if they would mail me a list of their expenses and payouts I would send them $10. Usually the minimum wage grunt working the phones would get angry but one organization did. I forget who but I sent them the ten bucks because I promised I would. It was pretty funny the actual amount the charity gave to whatever group of bums they were supporting was tiny and there were expenses including automobiles entertainment Etc and other administrative costs totaling well over 95%.

WSS