@dutch-oven said:

Is it St. Ed's that dominates around here? I don't really follow high school wrestling much, even though it was what my high school was best at when I went there (Ravenna won the state championship in Div II wrestling my sophomore or junior year)...

I don’t follow it as much now but I think so.  They still produce a lot of D1 college wrestlers   Back in my time it was Walsh Jesuit and Eds 

@sdbacker80 said:

That will do it.   No knee issues or dislocations for me, I have a bum shoulder though and had my ear drained when I coached wrestling (not when i competed (go figure). 

Bill Dies Tournament?  That was a good one back in the day you had (still have) Top Gun, Ironman, Brecksville Holiday among others.  Not too many know that Northeast Ohio and Western PA…it is the best stretch of wrestling in country (Jersey and Central CA can stuff it).

Is it St. Ed's that dominates around here? I don't really follow high school wrestling much, even though it was what my high school was best at when I went there (Ravenna won the state championship in Div II wrestling my sophomore or junior year)...

@tiamat63 said:

Absolutely rough on the knee's. I had fluid build up on my left knee that I needed drained a couple times in season and once when sectionals were over.   

Likely had a minor pull from the tail end of football season that was fully aggravated wrestling.  I remember it clear as day too - wrestling a kid from Barberton at the Akron Firestone tourney.  He went in for a single ankle pick, I sprawled and he caught just enough of my right leg to make me essentially do a half split.  Immediate burning pain which gave way to feeling like somebody had kicked me square in the nuts and inner right thigh. 

Lost in the 3rd period, wrestled through it to my next match. Won against a kid from Harvey then lost after that to a kid from... I want to say Mayfield? Can't remember much those last two matches from being in such discomfort.  I just remember it being worse than my knee pain.

That will do it.   No knee issues or dislocations for me, I have a bum shoulder though and had my ear drained when I coached wrestling (not when i competed (go figure). 

Bill Dies Tournament?  That was a good one back in the day you had (still have) Top Gun, Ironman, Brecksville Holiday among others.  Not too many know that Northeast Ohio and Western PA…it is the best stretch of wrestling in country (Jersey and Central CA can stuff it).

@sdbacker80 said:

Sorry out of all that I took this out… you pulled a groin wrestling?  It is usually a sport that is rough on the knees, shoulders, elbows.

Joe seems to be more aggressive and he’s utilizing his personnel and their strengths better. I would say second half has been on the offense, play calling and special teams.  First half of the year one side would go well while the other struggled. 

Absolutely rough on the knee's. I had fluid build up on my left knee that I needed drained a couple times in season and once when sectionals were over.   

Likely had a minor pull from the tail end of football season that was fully aggravated wrestling.  I remember it clear as day too - wrestling a kid from Barberton at the Akron Firestone tourney.  He went in for a single ankle pick, I sprawled and he caught just enough of my right leg to make me essentially do a half split.  Immediate burning pain which gave way to feeling like somebody had kicked me square in the nuts and inner right thigh. 

Lost in the 3rd period, wrestled through it to my next match. Won against a kid from Harvey then lost after that to a kid from... I want to say Mayfield? Can't remember much those last two matches from being in such discomfort.  I just remember it being worse than my knee pain.

@tiamat63 said:

The defense has served up 4 games, 5 if you count dominating KC for 2.5 quarters, that the offense just needed average production from. 

3 of those 4 games, 17 points from the offense would have won us the day.  The 5th just avoiding silly turnovers. 

I won't count the NE game against the offense or defense.  That was a complete undressing. 

That has been the m.o. of the season for the overwhelming part. Turnovers spotty play. 

I never played 4qtrs with a groin pull, but I did wrestle for a season with one and I remember just how damn painful it was.

Anywho - Joe Woods shouldn't be brought up again the rest of the season. Aside from playing with one arm against the Chargers, his name shouldn't have been dropped at all.  Time has vindicated that much 

Sorry out of all that I took this out… you pulled a groin wrestling?  It is usually a sport that is rough on the knees, shoulders, elbows.

Joe seems to be more aggressive and he’s utilizing his personnel and their strengths better. I would say second half has been on the offense, play calling and special teams.  First half of the year one side would go well while the other struggled. 

@gumby73 said:

far under appreciated in GB was this browns defensive effort... 

We were honestly down 1 defensive starter at each position group. Under maned list of pressed into *starters? included groups of 2's/3's/4's...

DT- S. Day*  T. Togiai   

DE- P. Gustin  J.Jackson*  Odenigabo   

LB- JOK * Taki   Phillips 

CB- Greedy*  MJ Stewart* 

S- G. Delpit*   FS- R. LeCounte*    

all saw serious snap count increases.. vs a Red hot A. Rogers at home

Tip cap to Joe Woods mid Dec..  https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/browns-defense-finally-coming-together

Myles Garrett.. Anybody ever played 4 quarters of football with a groin injury? +Add + this to the list of many including, the balls to stand up to his coaches for coasting on adjustments... Another reason why #95 is the DPOY... 

Tough loss 24-22 in GB.... but we should not get away from the great efforts that were made to make this close... Jobs well done by many on both sides of the ball

The defense has served up 4 games, 5 if you count dominating KC for 2.5 quarters, that the offense just needed average production from. 

3 of those 4 games, 17 points from the offense would have won us the day.  The 5th just avoiding silly turnovers. 

I won't count the NE game against the offense or defense.  That was a complete undressing. 

That has been the m.o. of the season for the overwhelming part. Turnovers spotty play. 

I never played 4qtrs with a groin pull, but I did wrestle for a season with one and I remember just how damn painful it was.

Anywho - Joe Woods shouldn't be brought up again the rest of the season. Aside from playing with one arm against the Chargers, his name shouldn't have been dropped at all.  Time has vindicated that much 

We were honestly down 1 defensive starter at each position group. Under maned list of pressed into *starters? included groups of 2's/3's/4's...

DT- S. Day*  T. Togiai   

DE- P. Gustin  J.Jackson*  Odenigabo   

LB- JOK * Taki   Phillips 

CB- Greedy*  MJ Stewart* 

S- G. Delpit*   FS- R. LeCounte*    

all saw serious snap count increases.. vs a Red hot A. Rogers at home

Tip cap to Joe Woods mid Dec..  https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/browns-defense-finally-coming-together

Myles Garrett.. Anybody ever played 4 quarters of football with a groin injury? +Add + this to the list of many including, the balls to stand up to his coaches for coasting on adjustments... Another reason why #95 is the DPOY... 

Tough loss 24-22 in GB.... but we should not get away from the great efforts that were made to make this close... Jobs well done by many on both sides of the ball

@kegeratorz said:

Ha, talk to my Raiders buddy if you want to hear NFL hating on a franchise. It’s easier to agree then invite a conversation. Hahaha!!

Now if there was a team the NFL would want to screw over, it would be the Raiders. ?

@dutch-oven said:

If the NFL is rigged, specifically against the Browns, then why do you guys continue to watch it?

You can just stop watching disaster movie repeats.?

@dutch-oven said:

If the NFL is rigged, specifically against the Browns, then why do you guys continue to watch it?

Ha, talk to my Raiders buddy if you want to hear NFL hating on a franchise. It’s easier to agree then invite a conversation. Hahaha!!

@kegeratorz said:

That seems like the most important time to challenge and the easiest way, intended or not, to manipulate an outcome. 

I guess if you have a TO left, you should be able to challenge 

@browns149 said:

You are not allowed to challenge in the last 2 minutes. 

That seems like the most important time to challenge and the easiest way, intended or not, to manipulate an outcome. 

@texasag1969 said:

I think erroneous no-calls like the tug on the shirt to steal the interception should be reviewable if a team is willing to throw their red flag to risk losing a TO. That no-call changed the outcome of the game.

You are not allowed to challenge in the last 2 minutes. 

@kegeratorz said:

Exactly, I always felt if the refs dictate you fate then you didn’t do your job well enough. However, some of these calls/no calls need to be addressed all around the league. I get it’s real time and split second judgment but something has to give.

It’s okay to be wrong as long as you get it right. 

I think erroneous no-calls like the tug on the shirt to steal the interception should be reviewable if a team is willing to throw their red flag to risk losing a TO. That no-call changed the outcome of the game.

@calfoxwc said:

It's stupid for refs to

not have any accountability by the NFL for all the bad calls/no calls we're seeing this season.

Exactly, I always felt if the refs dictate you fate then you didn’t do your job well enough. However, some of these calls/no calls need to be addressed all around the league. I get it’s real time and split second judgment but something has to give.

It’s okay to be wrong as long as you get it right. 

Watching the ratbird-bengal game, the bengals challeged a no call on "too many men on the field" on the ratbirds.

It turned out, both teams did ... LOL.

So....why couldn't the Browns have thrown the flag and challenged the no call at that time when Peoples-Jones was deliberately held and it ended up in an int?

I don't remember, did they not have a time out? I think they did.

Even with no time outs, I think a team should be to challenge refs in the last two minutes. It's stupid for refs to

not have any accountability by the NFL for all the bad calls/no calls we're seeing this season.

@mjp28 said:

Well the BROWNS +7 was as good as gold !

 Too bad that they couldn't pull it off for the win, oh well.

I got it at 8. Thought for sure that missed FG and 2pt conv was gonna come back and haunt me. 

@texasag1969 said:

I could see the Browns losing this by 21. EDIT: In fact Adams will get 21 himself. The Browns maybe score 10.

Well the BROWNS +7 was as good as gold !

Too bad that they couldn't pull it off for the win, oh well.

@texasag1969 said:

Any way you look at it regardless of the causes, 4 ints in a game is just unacceptable in the NFL.

I totally agree. Baker is not good enough 

@texasag1969 said:

Any way you look at it regardless of the causes, 4 ints in a game is just unacceptable in the NFL.

In a game where you run for 200 plus. The argument out there…Baker doesn’t have enough support.  That’s crap!!!

 How many times has a team run for 200 plus and had a QB throw 4 picks?