@tiamat63 said:

Finding DTs just to throw a body at the position is easy. Finding effective players at value takes a bit of work. 

and a GM to a open mind, of valuing his* own players better than his own choices.. He's done it with Chubb/Ward/Hunt/Bitonio/Teller ect..

My issue with Berry ? He's not* done particularly well drafting mid round guys.. Harrison Bryant might be his one trophy? He's loaded up with his mid-round value choices now, so I'm willing to wait them out.. or I'm I ? time will tell..

edit-- The Happiest Monday's are those you schedule yourself OFF work !

Happy Monday !

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@gumby73 said:

We'll find DT's are easier to find, than Edge's. down the road. DT Goldman comes to mind/but his market money is crazy? lot's of cuts coming too..

I love Newsome's a physical corner... but he can't get hand'zie playing slot..?  

Finding DTs just to throw a body at the position is easy. Finding effective players at value takes a bit of work. 

@tiamat63 said:

 Elliot and Togiai are the only decent 1 tech candidates. I'm being generous saying decent.  Double T might, but only if there has been some serious changes to his body this offseason. 

We'll find DT's are easier to find, than Edge's. down the road. DT Goldman comes to mind/but his market money is crazy? lot's of cuts coming too..

I love Newsome's a physical corner... but he can't get hand'zie playing slot..?  

@gumby73 said:

I'd love to see a percentage number, of drafted rookie's that get injured, and really just can't recover from the injury..Sad..Jake Butt coming out of Michigan may be another?

saw this on twitter.. the guy even admitted to he may be wrong on DT true gap positions..but most don't look to bad for a start

 Elliot and Togiai are the only decent 1 tech candidates. I'm being generous saying decent.  Double T might, but only if there has been some serious changes to his body this offseason. 

@nickers said:

I can't believe Drew Forbes is still hangin' on

I'd love to see a percentage number, of drafted rookie's that get injured, and really just can't recover from the injury..Sad..Jake Butt coming out of Michigan may be another?

@tiamat63 said:

That IDL lineup .... ?

Re: Perrion, in his interview he said he's a 3 tech.  I know he was asked to lose a bit of weight at OU. Even if he puts it back on, probably will hover around 295ish.   His best film from what I've seen so far is 3 tech, then he can kick inside in sub packages where he can do damage. But asking him to stay put wouldn't be a great use of his natural abilities. 

Defense is still incredibly questionable right up the middle.  A middle teams like the Pats exploited to great effect. 

I hope Berry has some personnel moves up his sleeve this offseason. 

saw this on twitter.. the guy even admitted to he may be wrong on DT true gap positions..but most don't look to bad for a start

Re: Perrion, in his interview he said he's a 3 tech.  I know he was asked to lose a bit of weight at OU. Even if he puts it back on, probably will hover around 295ish.   His best film from what I've seen so far is 3 tech, then he can kick inside in sub packages where he can do damage. But asking him to stay put wouldn't be a great use of his natural abilities. 

Defense is still incredibly questionable right up the middle.  A middle teams like the Pats exploited to great effect. 

I hope Berry has some personnel moves up his sleeve this offseason. 

@gumby73 said:

and so it begins...

the 90 in to start..

I can't believe Drew Forbes is still hangin' on

the 90 in to start..

@bob806 said:

kicker- my concern there is both Siebert & Zane Gonzalez were drafted, and couldn't handle it. 

No sure things, but the LSU kid is low risk. Also pretty sure neither you mentioned kicked in Nat Champ game...

@sdbacker80 said:

Report: Odell Beckham Jr. Told Von Miller To Not Come To Cleveland

...but nobody says why he hated our situation so much.

@calfoxwc said:

I'm starting to think Landry would like out of Cleveland - I would have a talk with him. Did he know? that obj was undermining the Browns on the field? and behind their backs? just seems like obj was. Is Landry still happy with the Browns?

Just read this - obj told Von Miller to NOT come to the Browns. He went to the rams to join his friend.

https://www.brownsnation.com/report-odell-beckham-jr-told-von-miller-to-not-come-to-cleveland/

Report: Odell Beckham Jr. Told Von Miller To Not Come To Cleveland

Did OBJ ever show up in Cleveland?  So he apparently took his own advice.  

@orion said:

Yeah, I've always wanted Dawson here as a kicking consultant.  He did an incredible job in our stadium by the lake.

We get serious about some of the issues…two years ago it was fixing the Oline.  Last year it was defense.  The results have been apparent. 
 

Time to get serious about kicking 

@dutch-oven said:

What rounds were Phil Dawson and Justin Tucker drafted? 

Tom Brady was taken in the 6th round so maybe we wait then to find the next QB in the sixth round.

If you find a guy you draft him.Bengals did last year- working well. We did it a few years ago- didn’t work out at all. 

We have a lot of smart people in Berea.  Do what you have to do at that position. Treat it like like you are evaluating DB, LT, etc.  Running it back with Cody Parkey - I expected more from our group 

Just read this - obj told Von Miller to NOT come to the Browns. He went to the rams to join his friend.

https://www.brownsnation.com/report-odell-beckham-jr-told-von-miller-to-not-come-to-cleveland/

Report: Odell Beckham Jr. Told Von Miller To Not Come To Cleveland

@gumby73 said:

can you image the card reading? Cameron  Dicker the Kicker from Texas? ?  ?  oy vey!

Yeah, but Dicker the kicker was also the first team All-Big 12 punter. I say we get a two for one there even if he is a Longhorn.

Sciba is nearly automatic.

In fact, at one point during the 2021 season, he had made 34 consecutive field goals, setting an NCAA record.

 game winner vs. Louisville

He was 7 of 7 from the 40-49 yard range, something the Browns should take note of.

Even more impressive, he only missed two kicks from that range in four years.

*note--- has not missed a x-point   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  in 4 years. NFL x-pt. range is 35 yards.

Career distance Stats/ top 2021..bottom 2018

@ballpeen said:

The fact they weren't drafted isn't germane to the fact we need a kicker.  

The fact is we need a kicker.  I think it smart to identify the guy you want then take the steps necessary to get that guy.  The way to be sure you get your player is to draft the guy before any other team does.  If you would rather dick around and wait for free agency, well, dick around all you want.

And yet one really good kicker emerges after another after not getting drafted, like the two kickers used to illustrate how important good kickers are. 

Apparently the entire NFL "dicked around" by not drafting Justin Tucker or Phil Dawson. 

@ballpeen said:

I think he has already done that.  He comes to Cleveland and works with the guys at the stadium, talking about wind direction and such.  I am not sure you need a coach for the position.  Maybe a week or so.  

To me, at that level, it isn't so much about mechanics and striking the ball.  Kind of like top golfers.  It isn't so much about striking the ball.  All can do that, even if there are more things to break down in a golf swing.  The big thing is being able to do it time after time and under pressure.  The golfer who can do that stands a better chance of winning the tournament.  Most of that is in the mind.  I don't know how coachable that is, and/or am not sure a kicking coach is the best person to teach mind control?

How do you teach a guy that a 50 yard kick to win the Superbowl or hit a solid 3 iron to the green to win the US Open is the same as kicking a 30 yard field goal in the 1sr qtr of the first game or hitting a 9 iron to the middle of the green in the first round of the John Deer classic?

What we need is a kicker who can mind-bend a ball to kick a winning FG under the pressure of the biggest game in his lifetime. This one actually is the all-time leading scorer in school history and is in the draft this year.?

Cut Case Keenum, sign Mitch Trubiski, draft Kenny Pickett 

Cut McDowell , Landry , Harrison , Janovich, Higgins 

Keep Swartz, DPJ , cut rest of the WR’s

Resign Clooney, Stewart

Draft WR, DT,OLB,OT,C, S 

@orion said:

Yeah, I've always wanted Dawson here as a kicking consultant.  He did an incredible job in our stadium by the lake.

I think he has already done that.  He comes to Cleveland and works with the guys at the stadium, talking about wind direction and such.  I am not sure you need a coach for the position.  Maybe a week or so.  

To me, at that level, it isn't so much about mechanics and striking the ball.  Kind of like top golfers.  It isn't so much about striking the ball.  All can do that, even if there are more things to break down in a golf swing.  The big thing is being able to do it time after time and under pressure.  The golfer who can do that stands a better chance of winning the tournament.  Most of that is in the mind.  I don't know how coachable that is, and/or am not sure a kicking coach is the best person to teach mind control?

How do you teach a guy that a 50 yard kick to win the Superbowl or hit a solid 3 iron to the green to win the US Open is the same as kicking a 30 yard field goal in the 1sr qtr of the first game or hitting a 9 iron to the middle of the green in the first round of the John Deer classic?

@dutch-oven said:

What rounds were Phil Dawson and Justin Tucker drafted? 

The fact they weren't drafted isn't germane to the fact we need a kicker.  

The fact is we need a kicker.  I think it smart to identify the guy you want then take the steps necessary to get that guy.  The way to be sure you get your player is to draft the guy before any other team does.  If you would rather dick around and wait for free agency, well, dick around all you want.

@sdbacker80 said:

And then hire Phil Dawson as a part time consultant to give instruction on how to judge the elements in Our stadium. I watched an interview with him talking about kicking in Cleveland…wow!!! He knows the stadium better than anyone.

Yeah, I've always wanted Dawson here as a kicking consultant.  He did an incredible job in our stadium by the lake.

@sdbacker80 said:

I want a kicker that’s navigated through some elements (made some kicks in big moments, kicked in crap conditions or wind) and has a strong leg.  Find him in Day 3.  Third Round- maybe. 

And then hire Phil Dawson as a part time consultant to give instruction on how to judge the elements in Our stadium. I watched an interview with him talking about kicking in Cleveland…wow!!! He knows the stadium better than anyone. 
 

Im tired of downplaying this position Justin Tucker has kicked our butt for almost a decade now.  Bengals rookie kicker just made a huge kick 

What rounds were Phil Dawson and Justin Tucker drafted? 

@ballpeen said:

No they didn't.  The Raiders took a pretty darn good kicker in round 1.  Janokowski.

If you have the need, pick the guy you want, when you can get him.  Plus, being a comp pick, it might not be a top 100 pick.  If you get your guy, you won't have to pick another for maybe 17 years.

I remember when they took a punter in the first round.

Someone named Ray Guy.