@dutch-oven said:

Grandpa Simpson, yelling at the clouds?

So cloudy thinking??️

@unsympathetic said:

You're generous.. He's more of a Simpson.. both 

Who you got? This is a poll that must be posted.

Grandpa Simpson, yelling at the clouds?

@nickers said:

Gotta love the football off season in Cleveland LOL...

yeah, another "next year" dammit. lol

@dutch-oven said:

He's Fredo Corleone

You're generous.. He's more of a Simpson.. both 

Who you got? This is a poll that must be posted.

I had to go back and find this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/browns-considering-drastic-offensive-line-swap/ar-AAS04Dg

I like Blake Hance. But he isn't a powerhouse. It's tough. Kennard would fit right in in the Browns power run attack.

He would be an outstanding OG, a power RT with the size and arms to toss watt off to the ground.

Watt and a few others outpowered Hance badly here and there. I like the pick.

I'll listen to Joe Thomas every time - he knows far more football that you, princess. And having a Kennard to fit in, especially in case of an injury/covid*, to keep the power game going - makes sense to me.

@tiamat63 said:

You kicked SO much ass doing your research, you forgot to mention that Scherff's level of play at tackle got him kicked inside to guard because he couldn't hack it consistently in pass pro on the edge.  As he is now a guard for the Skins.     The Redskins spent a top 10 pick on a guard, believing they got a franchise tackle.     To refresh, barring transcendent talent such as Quinten Nelson, top 10 picks aren't spent on guard play. 

Comparing a prospect you want to draft at tackle to Brandon Schreff is admitting your complete inability to evaluate a players skill set on your own and being dependent on the analysis of others.     Not to mention your lack of attention to detail on how said prospect is currently holding up in the NFL.  You sure did read a whole hell of a lot there, champ.    

And it's almost like somebody almost called Schreff's future move to guard while watching his Iowa tape...     Oh wait...

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edit:  Meanwhile Ali Marpet, another probowl guard, was taken in the later 2nd round.   Much less draft capital invested in a value position that the 'Skins could have used to address pass rush or skill positions with.  

I'm not sure there's an over-the-counter lotion strong enough for that burn, cal.

Might have to consult your physician on this one.

@unsympathetic said:

Yes.. Many years ago the assumption was that RT was essentially a third OG because passpro on that side didn't matter.

So "giving up on" a LT in the language of the 80's/90's meant flipping him back to RT..

Because you said.. 

The point is that RT & LT have the same skillsets, just leading with a different leg.. At this point he's played all his NFL snaps at LT and those alabama RT seasons are pretty far in the past other than for group reminiscing over zoom time. If they're going to draft someone to take over for Conklin I'd bet they have that guy doing RT from the jump rather than teach both guys something new. 

So if they actually do flip Wills to RT then the question should be asked.. what exactly did they think he wasn't doing at LT that he will be able to do at RT? 

Combine that with Tia's statements regarding the 10-yard depth of Baker and I bet that's the real passpro answer.. which means it's got nada to do with RT or LT or even Wills' skillset.. And so flipping Wills to RT to blame him  ["give up on him"] for Baker's 10 would be more "doing something" to cover for the reality that they have no idea how to actually self-scout or make changes to get better.. Because they aren't getting the first step right of accurately identifying the problem(s).

I sometimes get the feeling you pathologically just love to argue, sometimes just for the sake of arguing. 

Since November, I've learned to pump the brakes on this drafts quality... https://thespun.com/nfl/nfl-insider-has-telling-comment-about-2022-draft-class

most prospect boards start to take shape at the close of business at the senior bowl...

Heck! Some at this point? Think the highest ranked Tackle in Evan Neal will play Guard in the NFL..

At Ease...                

@calfoxwc said:

When comparing him to a current NFL player, I can’t help but notice that Darian Kinnard and Brandon Scherff of the Washington Football Team look very similar in body type/size and play. I think he has the same skill set that can get him Brandons level of play in the NFL."

    Brandon Scherff. OT tackle for the Washington no longer Redskins. 6'5", 315.

Guess where Scherff was drafted. FIRST ROUND. So, bitching about my third round draft pick? Dumber and dumber.

and yes, I do my own research, and I read a hell of a lot. I knew this stuff when I made my selection. I consider him being a bit heavier that he will slide a bit. We'll see. (and Scherff was ALSO an All-pro more than once.)

You kicked SO much ass doing your research, you forgot to mention that Scherff's level of play at tackle got him kicked inside to guard because he couldn't hack it consistently in pass pro on the edge.  As he is now a guard for the Skins.     The Redskins spent a top 10 pick on a guard, believing they got a franchise tackle.     To refresh, barring transcendent talent such as Quinten Nelson, top 10 picks aren't spent on guard play. 

Comparing a prospect you want to draft at tackle to Brandon Schreff is admitting your complete inability to evaluate a players skill set on your own and being dependent on the analysis of others.     Not to mention your lack of attention to detail on how said prospect is currently holding up in the NFL.  You sure did read a whole hell of a lot there, champ.    

And it's almost like somebody almost called Schreff's future move to guard while watching his Iowa tape...     Oh wait...

/topic/37721

/topic/32420

/topic/36932

/topic/32420

edit:  Meanwhile Ali Marpet, another probowl guard, was taken in the later 2nd round.   Much less draft capital invested in a value position that the 'Skins could have used to address pass rush or skill positions with.  

https://www.draftdive.com/darian-kinnard-scouting-report/

Darian Kinnard Scouting Report

"arian Kinnard NFL Comparison 

When comparing him to a current NFL player, I can’t help but notice that Darian Kinnard and Brandon Scherff of the Washington Football Team look very similar in body type/size and play. I think he has the same skill set that can get him Brandons level of play in the NFL."

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    Brandon Scherff. OT tackle for the Washington nolonger Redskins. 6'5", 315.

Guess where Scherff was drafted. FIRST ROUND. So, bitching about my third round draft pick? Dumber and dumber.

and yes, I do my own research, and I read a hell of a lot. I knew this stuff when I made my selection. I consider him being a bit heavier that he will slide a bit. We'll see. (and Scherff was ALSO an All-pro more than once.)

in a few mocks, my third round offensive tackle pick happens to be

and first round pick.

fancy that. I thought it was a stretch to have him last til the third. Kennard moves very, very well for a

giant of a man. I was considering him similar to Andrew Whitworth, who was 6'7", 330. He was a second round pick - 55th overall. It isn't that much of a stretch that Kennard could easily drop some weight? and be another all-pro like Whitworth was. Three Pro-Bowls.

So, bitching about my OT pick? priceless and dumb. I think it will be an excellent pick. We'll see.

NFL Mock Draft 2022: UK Football OT Darian Kinnard to ...

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NFL Mock Draft has Darian Kinnard to the Bengals in Round 1 Kinnard would be a perfect fit in Cincinnati. By Adam Haste Jan 14, 2022, 8:13pm EST

NFL Mock Draft 2022: UK Football OT Darian Kinnard to ...

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NFL Mock Draft has Darian Kinnard to the Bengals in Round 1 Kinnard would be a perfect fit in Cincinnati. By Adam Haste Jan 14, 2022, 8:13pm EST

@dutch-oven said:

So the tackle positions, regarding pass blocking is interchangeable?

Yes.. Many years ago the assumption was that RT was essentially a third OG because passpro on that side didn't matter.

So "giving up on" a LT in the language of the 80's/90's meant flipping him back to RT..

@dutch-oven said:

why did you refer to my idea that Wills possibly could move back to RT as "giving up on him"?

Because you said.. 

@dutch-oven said:

I have this nagging feeling Jed Wills will eventually become a RT for the Browns. Next season will be an interesting one for him regarding his future on the Browns OLine. 

The point is that RT & LT have the same skillsets, just leading with a different leg.. At this point he's played all his NFL snaps at LT and those alabama RT seasons are pretty far in the past other than for group reminiscing over zoom time. If they're going to draft someone to take over for Conklin I'd bet they have that guy doing RT from the jump rather than teach both guys something new. 

So if they actually do flip Wills to RT then the question should be asked.. what exactly did they think he wasn't doing at LT that he will be able to do at RT? 

Combine that with Tia's statements regarding the 10-yard depth of Baker and I bet that's the real passpro answer.. which means it's got nada to do with RT or LT or even Wills' skillset.. And so flipping Wills to RT to blame him  ["give up on him"] for Baker's 10 would be more "doing something" to cover for the reality that they have no idea how to actually self-scout or make changes to get better.. Because they aren't getting the first step right of accurately identifying the problem(s).

@unsympathetic said:

Your RT needs to be just as good at passpro as LT; not only do DE's flip but more of the best edges locate on the left rather than the right.  So whatever the criteria you may intend when you say "sticks".. either isn't valid or can be updated based on new information moving forward.

Maxx Crosby, VonMiller, TJ Watt [LOLB, LDE, he's their edge] -- and others, I verified those 3 so far and that's the first 3 i could think of.. all line up against RT rather than a LT.

Eagles are more notable recently for their RT not moving back to LT when their LT [peters] quasi-retired at the beginning of this season before accepting a few more million from Bears.

So the tackle positions, regarding pass blocking is interchangeable?

Then why did you refer to my idea that Wills possibly could move back to RT as "giving up on him"?

Hell, I could be saying he might be moved back to RT because that is what he came into the NFL as. Seems to me that you are muddying up this conversation by first saying a move back to his natural position was "giving up on him" and then in another breath saying both sides at tackle are the same. 

@dutch-oven said:

1. Saying that Wills might eventually end up back at RT isn't giving up on him, just wondering if long-term he sticks on the left side. 

Your RT needs to be just as good at passpro as LT; not only do DE's flip but more of the best edges locate on the left rather than the right.  So whatever the criteria you may intend when you say "sticks".. either isn't valid or can be updated based on new information moving forward.

Maxx Crosby, VonMiller, TJ Watt [LOLB, LDE, he's their edge] -- and others, I verified those 3 so far and that's the first 3 i could think of.. all line up against RT rather than a LT.

Eagles had both Stephenson and Peters in their run; in 2021 didn't move RT back to LT when LT quasi-retired before accepting a few more million from Bears.

@unsympathetic said:

I wouldn't give up on Wills.. he was viewed as the steal of the 2020 draft and even with all his ankle, he still increased his rating from 61 to 65 this year.

Something else I'd like to point out on this and why Wills needs to be graded on a bit of a curve.  

I can't stress enough how Bakers pocket depth really gives headaches for our OT's.  Tristan Wirfs gets to play with (arguably) the greatest to ever do it.   As a result he's had a much smoother transition to the league and his grades reflect that.  Not to knock his talent, he appears to be a quality player.   Only relating that, our QB makes life a bit more difficult for his protection because his style of play.    Therefore it takes a truly elite player to sort of "shine through" in this case.   Wills could be a 10 year, fringe type pro-bowl tackle.   And there's nothing wrong with that.   But unless he's Joe Thomas, a lot of those 2nd tier players are going to have a lower grade than what they usually might because of what I've mentioned.

@dutch-oven said:

Here's a three round mock draft: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2022-nfl-mock-draft-fragoza-january/

For the Browns, it has:

Rd 1, #13: WR Garrett Wilson, Ohio State

Rd 2, #44: DE Arnold Ebikitie, Penn State https://www.profootballnetwork.com/arnold-ebiketie-penn-state-de-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2022/

Rd 3, #78: OT Dohnovan West, Arizona State https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Dohnovan-West-OL-ArizonaState

That fits AB's Round 1 & 2 good value picks ^^

In a browns perfect world ?

Landry would need a 1.) trade-able dollar figure to be traded... https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/jarvis-landry-trade-chip/ (if not a obtainable dollar met)

  The article has the Browns fetching a third-round pick in return for Landry, who just turned 29.

also if getting the 3rd? 

65	Jacksonville
66	Detroit
67	NY Giants
68	Houston
69	NY Jets
70	Jacksonville
71	Chicago
72	Seattle
73	Washington
74	Atlanta
75	Denver
76	Baltimore
77	Minnesota
78	Cleveland------ How bout a extra draft dart before here for Landry ? ?  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

WR/Edge/DT/_____ ? in top 78.... and still hold 2 picks in 4th...  stress Perfect World 

@unsympathetic said:

I wouldn't give up on Wills.. he was viewed as the steal of the 2020 draft and even with all his ankle, he still increased his rating from 61 to 65 this year.

Somehow, a team named The Browns has apparently won each of the last two drafts.  Let's visit that team's forum - they sound nice.

Don't forget in early rounds we have to go IDL.

1. Saying that Wills might eventually end up back at RT isn't giving up on him, just wondering if long-term he sticks on the left side. 

2. As DBone is known to say, no one wins the offseason like the Browns. 

3. Definitely a need too. 

@calfoxwc said:

Ebikitie is a fine pick, but West is more a center, and not a blue chip center. That would be a dumb pick in the third round.

and Ebikitie is rated the #11th edge rusher in the draft. I imagine he will climb draft boards at the combine - seems he could be a high third rounder. maybe. who knows.

Fascinating, as always.

Somehow, a team named The Browns has apparently won each of the last two drafts.  Let's visit that team's forum - they sound nice.

Don't forget in early rounds we have to go IDL.

and Ebikitie is rated the #11th edge rusher in the draft. I imagine he will climb draft boards at the combine - seems he could be a high third rounder. maybe. who knows.

For the Browns, it has:

Rd 1, #13: WR Garrett Wilson, Ohio State

Rd 2, #44: DE Arnold Ebikitie, Penn State https://www.profootballnetwork.com/arnold-ebiketie-penn-state-de-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2022/

Rd 3, #78: OT Dohnovan West, Arizona State https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Dohnovan-West-OL-ArizonaState

Have to say, they hit upon definite needs for the Browns. Wilson is an obvious need, a young complement to Myles is great with Ebikitie (even if Clowney is brought back) and with Conklin's status unknown (and with him on the last year of his contract) an OTackle is a good get. 

Speaking of, I have this nagging feeling Jed Wills will eventually become a RT for the Browns. Next season will be an interesting one for him regarding his future on the Browns OLine.