Aloysius said:

It's hard not to like his character and great leadership qualities. But when I went back and re-watched three Texas games after last season, I came away pretty disappointed.

I've watched every game he's played for tlast three years....trust me, the dude is going to star in the NFL!

Darius Walker cut by the Donkeys

So much for the "everybody who surrounded Quinn in South Bend is on an NFL roster" talk.

It's hard not to like his character and great leadership qualities. But when I went back and re-watched three Texas games after last season, I came away pretty disappointed.

@dencyguy said:

Dennis

Sigh.

Let's all cross our fingers and pray we're not talking about drafting a QB the entire off season for the umpteenth year in a row.Personally, I'll be really surprised.

To me, everything says Quinn will succeed. He works very hard, a leader, very athletic, very coach-able, a gym rat and puts in hours of film study. Mangini will dig these qualities just like Weis did.

Frankly, the kid is tough as nails. He makes no excuses. He is accountable. He is no-nonsense.

He was raised in a no-excuses household. He took everything arrogant New Jersey Weis threw at him. He has handled this Cleveland QB thing as well as anybody could have, with his mouth shut and focused hard work.

The only way Quinn doesn't succeed is if the running game absolutely blows. Even an average running game and we'll be good.

OK, that's what I really think and have always thought. Reading it may sound too rosy to take and maybe I'm high on football finally starting.

Come on Quinn. You're up. Run the show.

@riffer-x said:

That kid can ball, flat out.

He may fall after the gurus get done tearing him down, but he'll be a player, trust me.

Think Drew Brees

I think he's only thinking Drew Mudd. I agree the kid is a stud and has everythign the scouts want to see in a QB prospect for the next level.

I just wished that freakin conference played some Defense though. This is where it can backfire on a kid like McCoy because too many people are thinking more Graham Harrell false positives. When you have about 7 QBs enjoying insanely high completion percentages in that conference - you can pretty much summarize only a couple of those schools are loading up with NFL talent on the defensive side of the ball. Texas & Oklahoma.

- Tom F.

@riffer-x said:

That kid can ball, flat out.

He may fall after the gurus get done tearing him down, but he'll be a player, trust me.

Think Drew Brees

I agree. If the Browns end up drafting high next year--say, top five--McCoy is the only QB out there who would make me put aside my Eric Berry man-love. He's the real deal, and if the Browns suck enough to draft him--and Quinn doesn't have a lot of games with high QB ratings--the Browns should absolutely take him.

Dennis

@ithika said:

Huh?

That kid can ball, flat out.

He may fall after the gurus get done tearing him down, but he'll be a player, trust me.

Think Drew Brees

@solon16 said:

I Believe that we as Cleveland Browns fans expect, produce, and encourage controversies at Qb. Frankly more than half wouldn't know what to talk about if it weren't for it, which is sad. We have been so embroiled in it that we dog our own players and in doing so dog our own team and dog our own fans.

I've avoided the vinny vs bernie debate, the tim vs kelly debate, the charlie vs derek debate and the Quinn vs Anderson debate. I root for the Qb we have in there, if he sucks

You're not REALLY gonna complicate this are you? If the QB sucks - that usually means the BROWNS suck. Teams that SUCK have QB controversies. Teams that win aren't spending every waking moment arguing over the QB because they're able to enjoy games where their defense limits the opponent to 10 points. That's prolly the reason you and we ENJOYED the Browns most when Sipe and Kosar QB'd them. It's also a big reason why those seasons weren't held hostage by a QB controversy.

This ain't rocket science Solon. I'm sure you're thinking - what about Testaverde? I'll explain. The hometown QB that led us to 3 conference championships got cut for a QB that was best known for his struggles elsewhere. Aside from that, Kosar beat out Vinny as the starter in college. The outcome? The Miami Hurricanes enter the college football map with their 1st National Championship W on their way to steady prominence. As it would play out in Cleveland - Vinny got hurt the year BB cut Kosar so this left us watching the Todd Philcox Football Follies.

While I agreed w/ BB's diminished skills assessment - I didn't agree with the way that whole thing got handled based on what Kosar had done for this franchise. I'm not one of the guys that had the Lummy hometown hero crush on Kosar. Quite honestly, I found the admiration through his connection to winning consistently. If it was handled right, Kosar would have remained with us as the backup and been reinstated as starter the day Testaverde got hurt. THEN, Kosar could have left the next year to be a backup anywhere else he wanted to go. This situation would represent itself in NE for a more experienced BB and he would get it right as Bledsoe would start a playoff game vrs Pittsburgh for the injured Tom Brady. Once the season was over, the hostility-free Bledsoe was able to pursue a team that would start him.

The season we went 11-5 with Testaverde and beat the NE Patriots in the Wild Card Game was an enjoyable season. The people that had Sour Lumnuts for Kosar didn't allow themselves to enjoy the season. That's their problem. It was ALWAYS okay to miss the presence and smarts of Kosar. He was one of my favorite QBs when his body allowed him to be that. I just thought our Lummy sections were a little obnoxious toward Testaverde; especially when they were getting all limp wristed and goo goo eyed for the unproven Eric Zeier.

- Tom F.

@ithika said:

I will bet you as much and whatever you want...pick it...we have witness'. I'll guarantee it... you have zero judge of talent or never seen him play! It's a lock!

@solon16 said:

Mccoy is not an NFL QB! What are you smoking?

Especially when Weis (former NE coordinator for those in need of a geography lesson) says he's NFL-ready, which wouldn't have meant shit had Weis not coached Tom Brady through a couple of Super Bowl wins. You know, the Tom Brady that ESPN can't help but verbally jack-off at every opportunity they get.

Just saying, that it's more of a shock that Quinn slid, as opposed to it being a shock to say that he would be chosen so high.

@legacy-fan said:

As long as Mel Kiper and Todd McShay and whatsisname who can't keep his hands still don't advocate picking a long-snapper with the #1 pick, they're not going anywhere. It's not about their abilities as analysts, it's their ability to get ratings and get people talking. I don't think it's a coincidence that Kiper and McShay spend half of March screaming at each other that they're Retards for wanting to take [insert player here] at #2, because we all know you don't take a [insert position here] that high in the draft! Well, one of them is clearly wrong, but it doesn't matter, because as long as it gets people talking and tuning in, that's all ESPN cares about. If the network were concerned about people taking them seriously, they'd have Neil Everett thrown off a bridge.

For God's sake, it took them years to get rid of Sean Salisbury, despite the twin facts that he sucked and that he spent his free time sending pictures of his junk to female coworkers. The only way to get ESPN to replace you is to criticize ESPN in any way.

Dennis

@legacy-fan said:

I'm still pissed we didnt take AP!

@dencyguy said:

In some cases--Miami and Kansas City come to mind--it might have made a difference, but even that's not a guarantee.

Dennis

Ok. But pundits et al are all anybody goes on until the draft actually happens. They miss a few here & there but it's not like we see a new set of analysts every year because of poor work performance. So yeah NFL execs threw us a curve until about pick 11 or so and people started moving. We agree on Quinns potential, and I'm glad we picked him after picking JT.

@dencyguy said:

In some cases--Miami and Kansas City come to mind--it might have made a difference, but even that's not a guarantee.

Dennis

If Quinn should be compared to anybody (given we have one of these draft reminiscing stories every time Peens has had a couple toddies) it should be Rodgers. There was a guy who tumbled big time and doesn't look too shabby.

Again, nobody needed a QB, nor were they prepared to take one. However, there were some pretty substantiated rumors that some were looking to move up when the Browns made their move. Miami just flat out crapped themselves and Oakland was a contract whisker away from taking him number one.

None of it really matters to be honest, but it gets a little annoying at times.

@legacy-fan said:

I'm not saying that he's not going to be a good QB--I think he is--but "most" is misleading, because it excludes the guys who have the responsibility to make the decision. Sure, most pundits and people on message boards put him in the top ten, but what did most NFL executives do when they had the option to do something that had actual consequences?

In some cases--Miami and Kansas City come to mind--it might have made a difference, but even that's not a guarantee.

Dennis

@dencyguy said:

Is that what Belichick does every April? Grab a top QB in round 1 "just in case" or to trade?

That sounds like a horrible draft strategy, imo.

All I'm saying Dennis is that it may have all been hype, but Quinn was top 10 material for most. I can't ever recall the last time the NFL escorted a kid out of the camera & lights because of such a unexpected slide.

@legacy-fan said:

Quinn dropped to 22 because of what happened to his team in his last nationally televised game where ND was totally outclassed in the Sugar Bowl by LSU.

It was the same game that put Jamarcus Russell in the #1 draft spot.

You're suggesting that the first 21 teams to pick in the draft--including the Browns--secretly knew in their hearts that Quinn was a top ten guy, but decided to pass? I mean, even if you don't need a QB, if he's there, take him as insurance or to trade.

Yeah, maybe they focused on one game, but maybe they weren't dazzled by big numbers against service academies.

Dennis

I mean, I got lost looking for the john at a game last year and put up 250 and a touchdown against Army.

@ballpeen said:

Right. 90% of the evaluations had Quinn as top 10 draft talent.

Quinn dropped to 22 because of what happened to his team in his last nationally televised game where ND was totally outclassed in the Sugar Bowl by LSU.

It was the same game that put Jamarcus Russell in the #1 draft spot.

And that wasn't just an "Al Davis is batshit crazy" draft pick. Russell was annointed as a future HOF'er because of his size and arm as soon as "he" beat the "eternally shitty" ND squad that only beats up on service academies.

@the-gipper said:

True....and some like the TSN had him rated as a 3rd round talent.

If we didn't draft Quinn when we did, he was bound for the 2nd round or lower....

Quinn didn't drop on some injury rumor or drug rumor....it was simply based on scouting evaluations...add in the guy who drafted him was fired and had a bad record on evaluating qb talent and it should raise a red flag.

Sorry Gip....not drinking the Kool-Aid

@solon16 said:

We don't know that they are huge upgrades, because they haven't even finished their final years of college ball yet.