@nickers said:

Ummm English please... I don't do Ebonics...

I'm sure you know the soccer board......go back there...

@laiccm said:

U know some people if u support equality for one demo then u hate the other

Ummm English please... I don't do Ebonics...

@nickers said:

My old man hungout with Jim Brown... Never once said he was racist... They just have a few drinks together at the Left Bank in the Flats...

U know some people if u support equality for one demo then u hate the other

@laiccm said:

Brown was a racist? Did he have reasons?

My old man hungout with Jim Brown... Never once said he was racist... They just have a few drinks together at the Left Bank in the Flats...

@calfoxwc said:

nope. never once. Jim Brown was an ardent racist back then, and his domestic violence - Dad and I did not respect him at all.

Leroy Kelly was our favorite rb back then. He was great, too. Would you give three NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICKS for McDowell after he did what he did?

me neither.

I never said I was going to root for the ratbirds and squealers after this fiasco. I just said I'm done with spending time watching their games.

haslams and berry apparently don't give a damn that they have divided their fans into two groups after this controversy....all they care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the networks.

so be it. let the network execs buy all their tickets. I won't even watch them anymore.

Brown was a racist? Did he have reasons?

@unsympathetic said:

Nope.

The agency in this wasn't Watson's.

Watson's interactions with women are actually a red herring because none of us will likely know for certain precisely what happened.  The only thing we do know for certain is that whatever happened both wasn't criminal and wasn't enough to deliver an indictment.  This is your weekly reminder that hearsay can, in fact, be testimony -- because in reality very few cases ever have "smoking-gun evidence" -- and even with all those witnesses they still ended up with bupkis not once but twice.

The lawsuits came purely because Watson forced his way out of Texas.. The ONLY way this could have been avoided is if Watson remained with Houston.

If Watson had remained in Houston, "magically" zero lawsuits would have been filed against him and this wouldn't be a thing.

Are the women money-grabbing? Sure, but not from Watson. From McNair..

And it was a Grand Jury....they can indict almost over any reason....

@nickers said:

It still does not excuse Watson for being a DUMB FUCK and getting himself into this mess... Which had he used his fucking head... All couldve been avoided

Nope.

The agency in this wasn't Watson's.

Watson's interactions with women are actually a red herring because none of us will likely know for certain precisely what happened.  The only thing we do know for certain is that whatever happened both wasn't criminal and wasn't enough to deliver an indictment.  This is your weekly reminder that hearsay can, in fact, be testimony -- because in reality very few cases ever have "smoking-gun evidence" -- and even with all those witnesses they still ended up with bupkis not once but twice.

The lawsuits came purely because Watson forced his way out of Texas.. The ONLY way this could have been avoided is if Watson remained with Houston.

If Watson had remained in Houston, "magically" zero lawsuits would have been filed against him and this wouldn't be a thing.

Are the women money-grabbing? Sure, but not from Watson. From McNair..

@jbluhm86 said:

From Jim Brown wikipedia:

"In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old named Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges. A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered Brenda Ayres' child.

In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment. The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".

In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.

In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.

In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman. The charges were later dismissed.

In 1986, Brown was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark. Clark refused to press charges, though, and Brown was released.

Brown married his second wife Monique Brown in 1997; they have two children. In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife. Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel. He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine. Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service. He was released after 3 months".

No disagreement here. But after high profile incidents like the Duke Lacrosse team, Columbia university mattress girl, Brian Banks, etc, where men's lives were ruined over false accusations by women, I'd be forgiven for being skeptical for not taking accusations of sexual assaults by women with no evidence at face value.

And, for the record, I believe that women who make false accusations of rape or sexual assaults should serve the same length of prison that the people they falsely accused would face.

Like I said he did jail time for the things he was convicted of. The other accusations I guess he's in the same boat as Watson. As for your last wine I agree with you I think that's a shity thing for a woman to do and I think it happens too often. Probably because they don't really seem to be any consequences.

WSS

@jbluhm86 said:

Do you have any Jim Brown merchandise or are a Jim Brown fan? If so, aren't you being a tad hypocritical?

nope. never once. Jim Brown was an ardent racist back then, and his domestic violence - Dad and I did not respect him at all.

Leroy Kelly was our favorite rb back then. He was great, too. Would you give three NUMBER ONE DRAFT PICKS for McDowell after he did what he did?

me neither.

I never said I was going to root for the ratbirds and squealers after this fiasco. I just said I'm done with spending time watching their games.

haslams and berry apparently don't give a damn that they have divided their fans into two groups after this controversy....all they care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$ from the networks.

so be it. let the network execs buy all their tickets. I won't even watch them anymore.

@jbluhm86 said:

Depends on what you believe. Is it better, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, for 100 guilty persons to escape than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly? Or should we go back to the old country style of justice where an individual is guilty until proven innocent?

I believe statistics, historical data, research and eye witness accounts. 

Even Guilty rapists are getting away or slap on the wrist..see: Brock Turner...especially on college campuses. 

@laiccm said:

Also almost 70% of all rapes go unreported...should we name the college boys who got off from brutal rapes?

Depends on what you believe. Is it better, to paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, for 100 guilty persons to escape than for 1 innocent to suffer unjustly? Or should we go back to the old country style of justice where an individual is guilty until proven innocent?

@jbluhm86 said:

From Jim Brown wikipedia:

"In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old named Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges. A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered Brenda Ayres' child.

In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment. The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".

In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.

In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.

In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman. The charges were later dismissed.

In 1986, Brown was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark. Clark refused to press charges, though, and Brown was released.

Brown married his second wife Monique Brown in 1997; they have two children. In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife. Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel. He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine. Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service. He was released after 3 months".

No disagreement here. But after high profile incidents like the Duke Lacrosse team, Columbia university mattress girl, Brian Banks, etc, where men's lives were ruined over false accusations by women, I'd be forgiven for being skeptical for not taking accusations of sexual assaults by women with no evidence at face value.

And, for the record, I believe that women who make false accusations of rape or sexual assaults should serve the same length of prison that the people they falsely accused would face.

Also almost 70% of all rapes go unreported...should we name the college boys who got off from brutal rapes?

@westside-steve said:

Jim Brown went to prison. I don't exactly recall was he charged with assault and battery on women or misdemeanor vandalism? 

From Jim Brown wikipedia:

"In 1965, Brown was arrested in his hotel room for assault and battery against an 18-year-old named Brenda Ayres; he was later acquitted of those charges. A year later, he fought paternity allegations that he fathered Brenda Ayres' child.

In 1968, Brown was charged with assault with intent to commit murder after model Eva Bohn-Chin was found beneath the balcony of Brown's second-floor apartment. The charges were later dismissed after Bohn-Chin refused to cooperate with the prosecutor's office. Brown was also ordered to pay a $300 fine for striking a deputy sheriff involved in the investigation during the incident. In Brown's autobiography, he stated that Bohn-Chin was angry and jealous over an affair he had been having with Gloria Steinem, and this argument is what led to the "misunderstanding with the police".

In 1970, Brown was found not guilty of assault and battery, the charges stemming from a road-rage incident that had occurred in 1969.

In 1975, Brown was convicted of misdemeanor battery for beating and choking his golfing partner, Frank Snow. He was sentenced to one day in jail, two years' probation, and a fine of $500.

In 1985, Brown was charged with raping a 33-year-old woman. The charges were later dismissed.

In 1986, Brown was arrested for assaulting his fiancée Debra Clark. Clark refused to press charges, though, and Brown was released.

Brown married his second wife Monique Brown in 1997; they have two children. In 1999, Brown was arrested and charged with making terroristic threats toward his wife. Later that year, he was found guilty of vandalism for smashing his wife's car with a shovel. He was sentenced to three years' probation, one year of domestic violence counseling, and 400 hours of community service or 40 hours on a work crew along with a $1,800 fine. Brown ignored the terms of his sentence and in 2000 was sentenced to six months in jail, which he began serving in 2002 after refusing the court-ordered counseling and community service. He was released after 3 months".

@westside-steve said:

...At any rate if anybody can prove that all 22 of those chicks were lying I think they should be charged with crimes.

Disagree?

WSS

No disagreement here. But after high profile incidents like the Duke Lacrosse team, Columbia university mattress girl, Brian Banks, etc, where men's lives were ruined over false accusations by women, I'd be forgiven for being skeptical for not taking accusations of sexual assaults by women with no evidence at face value.

And, for the record, I believe that women who make false accusations of rape or sexual assaults should serve the same length of prison that the people they falsely accused would face.

@jbluhm86 said:

Well, seeing as how one individual had two grand juries decline to advance his charges to trial due to lack of evidence, and another individual who readily admitted to beating women and served jail time for it, I'd say we're arguing apples to oranges here.

Yet I don't see many Browns fans burning Jim Brown jerseys or moving to different fandoms over the outrage of Jim Brown sending a broad off a balcony, so...

Browns fans need to get off their fucking crosses before the price of lumber gets even higher than it already is.

Jim Brown went to prison. I don't exactly recall was he charged with assault and battery on women or misdemeanor vandalism? Not that it matters all that much OJ was found not guilty and civil courts still decided to ruin his life such as it was. And absolutely millionaire sports figures rock stars actors politicians business moguls... Probably get away with crossing the line on a regular basis. But speaking of hypocrisy how many people on this board call the Steelers quarterback Rapistburger? How many had a shit fit about Bob Kraft?

At any rate if anybody can prove that all 22 of those chicks were lying I think they should be charged with crimes.

Disagree?

WSS

@calfoxwc said:

the browns never traded away THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS FOR THEM.

Important facts so often get lost in the mire.

Do you have any Jim Brown merchandise or are a Jim Brown fan? If so, aren't you being a tad hypocritical?

@westside-steve said:

Fair Point. So both are okay or neither is okay?

WSS

Well, seeing as how one individual had two grand juries decline to advance his charges to trial due to lack of evidence, and another individual who readily admitted to beating women and served jail time for it, I'd say we're arguing apples to oranges here.

Yet I don't see many Browns fans burning Jim Brown jerseys or moving to different fandoms over the outrage of Jim Brown sending a broad off a balcony, so...

Browns fans need to get off their fucking crosses before the price of lumber gets even higher than it already is.

@calfoxwc said:

the browns never traded away THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS FOR THEM.

Important facts so often get lost in the mire.

Where have those  picks gotten us?Important fact also....the Browns have wasted multiple 1st round picks....especially on mediocre QBs.  Manziel, Couch, Baker.....

Rams and Tampa wining the last 2 Superbowls show you how unimportant picks have become

@nickers said:

You must be talking about Bill Clinton..

Lol....u wish

@laiccm said:

Attorneys,  Doctors, Politicians....etc...young, dumb and do all type of crap.

We had a President who had 25 sex allegations who was also raw dogging pornstarstars while having a pregnant wife....

I worked with a criminal defense attorney out of law school.....trust me.......happy endings is nothing....ask Jim Irsay the Colts owner

the browns never traded away THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS FOR THEM.

Important facts so often get lost in the mire.

@laiccm said:

Attorneys,  Doctors, Politicians....etc...young, dumb and do all type of crap.

We had a President who had 25 sex allegations who was also raw dogging pornstarstars while having a pregnant wife....

I worked with a criminal defense attorney out of law school.....trust me.......happy endings is nothing....ask Jim Irsay the Colts owner

You must be talking about Bill Clinton..

@nickers said:

Or doing what MC Hammer did giving his money away to lazy bums...Who did NOTHING...

Attorneys,  Doctors, Politicians....etc...young, dumb and do all type of crap.

We had a President who had 25 sex allegations who was also raw dogging pornstarstars while having a pregnant wife....

I worked with a criminal defense attorney out of law school.....trust me.......happy endings is nothing....ask Jim Irsay the Colts owner

@westside-steve said:

Not even so much the money but the fact that you have been pandered to your whole wife as soon as people knew you were a world-class athlete and would soon be rich.

None of the hangers on or going to tell you that what you're doing is f***** up.

And if he actually did what they say he did it's not just stupid stuff. Buying 50 muscle cars or a 50 million dollar mansion is stupid stuff.

WSS

Or doing what MC Hammer did giving his money away to lazy bums...Who did NOTHING...

@mjp28 said:

And put one more big important variable into this equation a virtual unlimited amount of cash to do whatever a young 20-something wants to do with it.

Some like cars, big houses,  fishing,  saving money or whatever.   Ask yourself what would you do in the same situation ?

Remember Ryan Leaf,  Johnny football among others that chose poorly. 

Not even so much the money but the fact that you have been pandered to your whole wife as soon as people knew you were a world-class athlete and would soon be rich.

None of the hangers on or going to tell you that what you're doing is f***** up.

And if he actually did what they say he did it's not just stupid stuff. Buying 50 muscle cars or a 50 million dollar mansion is stupid stuff.

WSS

@laiccm said:

Most rich, famous dudes in their 20s do stupid sh@#.....

Heck...take away rich and famous and they still do stupid sh@# that can be avoided.

Nothing new......less and less are caring 

And put one more big important variable into this equation a virtual unlimited amount of cash to do whatever a young 20-something wants to do with it.

Some like cars, big houses,  fishing,  saving money or whatever.   Ask yourself what would you do in the same situation ?

Remember Ryan Leaf,  Johnny football among others that chose poorly.