http://www.twitvid.com/36C11

I also think WINNING is far more exciting than a 79 yard TD bomb. But that is just me.

@wpb-dawg-fan said:

BQ: 40.5

DA: 29.2

But, but, but, DA throws farther....

@hiwaygal said:

Yeah....anything from years past really don't mean that much anymore. It is what is happening NOW that Mangini is going to be looking at.

Drives

BQ: 8

DA: 9

Offensive Ball Movement (total TEAM yds while at QB including rushing)

BQ: 324

DA: 263

Average Drive:

BQ: 40.5

DA: 29.2

Drives less than 20 yards:

BQ: 2

DA: 4

Drives less than 10 yards:

BQ: 1

DA: 3

Turnovers:

BQ: 1

DA: 2

Completion %:

BQ: 67.7

DA: 57.7

(this kind of explains the longer drive average, don't you think?)

Basically, what all this is saying is that Quinn will give the Browns defense a much better chance of NOT giving up tons of points. His drives are longer, even when they don't end up in points. The Browns offense will control the clock better with BQ at the helm...and he is less likely to turn the ball over.

This all adds up to a less exciting...but far more competitive team. I will take a winning season over a couple of ooooh ahhh plays any time.

@clevelandfanforlife said:

:lol:

@brownindian said:

break his legs and say that moron from oregon did it.

@moonlitknight said:

86.1 compared to 51.3 is ever so slightly higher?

BQ's completion is 67.7% compared to DA's 57.7%

BQ's int % is 3.2% and DA's is 7.7%

Look at the stats and show me where DA is even close.

Man, I got some swamp land in Fla. to sell you.

@moonlitknight said:

Since when is 86.1 ever so slightly higher than 51.3? Dude that is a 35 point swing on the QBR.

Not much in college? Dude was a great college QB. Though that certainly doesn't mean he will be a great NFL QB.

Remember when Aaron Rogers fell and team after team passed on him? You know, the guy who is the reason there is a private room away from the cameras now.

@car-ramrod said:

Uhhh, either you guys are blind or watching the wrong team in preseason.

I really think it is pretty much dead even. DA made some really nice throws. How many 20 plus yard gains did he get?

BQ has looked really sharp and has good pocket presence. Both converted on 3rd downs and have drove the ball. All while switching series and building no momentum.

With that said I want to go with brady just to see what he is made of.

But don't get it wrong. There was no clear cut starter from what we have seen.

Well DA is always like that, throws 2-3 really nice long passes and then does something really bad, like take a sack, force something, turnover, or gets Browns a delay of game.. or...you get the point. DA lives and dies by the long ball. Browns have to punt a lot because of him. BQ seems to sustain drives much better. Managing, eating clock and allowing the Browns more control during most game scenarios. Mangini has said he wants to see consistency even in adversity, and that's BQ, not DA. That's huge difference and seems to me BQ is way ahead.

I remember last year in an interview, BQ said "everytime we get the ball, I feel like we can score and always want the team to think positive"

This year in an interview, DA said "The main thing I learned it's not that bad if you have to punt"

@oconrecon said:

- Quinn started 2 games, DA started 1

- Quinn scored on a 2-minute drill, DA didn't

- Quinn threw a TD. DA hasn't.

- Quinn has a better QB rating this preseason

- Quinn did not have a meltdown game

- Quinn has been more consistant, as advertised

- DA has thrown more INT's, as expected

- Quinn has thown long passes, dispelling the myth

Each one of these "wins" are by a small margin, but the amount of total game snaps was few.

I'll be happy when there is an official announcement. I'll be stunned if it isn't Quinn.

quinns qb rating is ever so slightly above DA's...you quinn fans really make me wonder what your motivation is?I saw on another board where someone was actually advocating quinn as the starter for aesthetic reasons...their point being we need a "face" for our franchise..quinn was nothing much in college..I guess no one remembers quinns draft day,when team after team passed on him..when they moved him into a private room away from the cameras so no one could see him cry. If quinn is the starter,and stinks up the joint I will wait with great anticipation to see how all your quimmers...er quinners spin your way outta that one.

@lumbergh said:

Lumdick....your days are numbered!!!

At this point it would be a huge shock if it isn't Quinn. This really has been over since before camp. DA would have had to knock Quinn out to win the job and instead he was beaten straight up, although he did play pretty well.

@plumcrazy73 said:

I disagree Plum not ANY... Joe Thomas cant be traded because I have a jersey with his name on it.....

mz. said:

i don't think he's gay.

@oconrecon said:

I think the choice will be based more on Mangini's gut feeling rather than any on field stat.

I agree. Many times the decision isn't based on tangible reasons.

@osusev said:

Oh I agree. Each item in my list is a small margin item, but its based on what Mangini said he's working with to decide.

I think the choice will be based more on Mangini's gut feeling rather than any on field stat.

Mangini will make the Vikings prepare for both qbs which is only smart.

Ocon this is not cut and dry and that Td against the second stringers on a short field turnover is not some sort of deciding factor nor is qb ratings in preseason while both are splitting time.

I do think Brady has the edge for a variety of reasons most have to do with Mangini hedging for his career not with who is better.

The wild card is who the new OC think will move our offense better which DA clearly showed he can do with stretching the field that Brady does not do well. the other factor is of course money..... which I think tilts in Da's favor and against BQ.

For career reasons and fan base support I think BQ showed enough to start for Mangini and will keep DA as a backup in case BQ cant move the offense with his tendancy for dump off quick passes against starters in the NFL and defensive game plans.

@oconrecon said:

yeah Quinn "scored" an interception in the endzone.

I don't think it is going to make any real difference to Minnesota in how they set their plan, so from a strategic standpoint, it isn't a issue....so...why is it still not addressed by the team??

There are only 2 reasons I can figure...

1. They really don't know who they want to start as they have the two rated equally

2. There is some truth to us possibly moving one of them..most likely DA. This is a effort to prop up the value, though I really don't think it could help all that much.

I suppose there is a 3rd reason...Mangini likes to jerk his players and fans around and gains some sense of power in doing it this way.