@calfoxwc said:

Cool, yes. But I don't think it would work. Way back in the day, the Longhorns ran the wishbone like crazy. I think it was
Ara Parsigan, hc of Notre Dame, who used a defense that he got from a high school coach, If I remember correctly.

The defense was designed as a defensive mirror of the wishbone. Everything they did was countered by the opposite formation, opposite players.

But Zombo is a huge Notre Dame fan - he will probably know the story better than I do.

I wasn't trying to say we should run it as some sort of base O.  We ran it a few times when Freddie was coach and had success. I do think as a wrinkle it would work just fine if we ran out of that set several times a game.  

What does several mean?  I don't know?  I suppose that would depend on how well it was working.

@orion said:

Wow.  And Ford.  Is Hunt out?  That would be sad.  Hunt is a good football player.  He plays 'team' ball.  And he gives his all without complaining.

All i can remember from last season is? Hunt lost game time twice with a calf injury & than a ankle injury that came with a MRI.. I'm from Hunt's hometown of Toledo, so I'm a huge Hunt fan.. but maybe they know something medically?

I think Berry purposely loaded up on RB's knowing the analynics of the RB Camp injuries...He'll get the 1st calls.. AB has Hunt/D'E Johnson on good 1 year market deals..Stef keeping 4 RB's to rotate 1 RB, at a set, at a time, drives me nutz  .. Ford or Felton will be fighting for RB4, imo 

edit-- here's a Felton stat fact idnk... Felton was credited with 4 fumbles last season.. he was some what lucky, not losing any of them as a fumble turnover... We now want this guy to tryout to be a WR5? 

@gumby73 said:

The #Browns and RB D’Ernest Johnson agreed to terms on a one-year deal worth up to $2,433,000 —

Wow.  And Ford.  Is Hunt out?  That would be sad.  Hunt is a good football player.  He plays 'team' ball.  And he gives his all without complaining.

b.) Try this one on for size...    

c.) Source - Seattle Seahawks WR DK Metcalf not at minicamp, absence unexcused

@calfoxwc said:

Cool, yes. But I don't think it would work. Way back in the day, the Longhorns ran the wishbone like crazy. 

Stef needs to stop himself from running such a predicable set of play calls..

some team needs to start giving a sack happy Steelers/Ravens defense a different look.. 

here's a easy peek into a Switzer's coaching clinic..  https://coachad.com/articles/coach-ad-clinic-barry-switzer-wishbone-offense-oklahoma-football/

Characteristics of the wishbone

1. It is a four back offense; all four backs are in a position to run with the football.
2. It has a good power structure, particularly to the tight end side.
3. It has simplicity. We have four primary running plays: The triple option, the halfback counter, the counter option and the inside belly. This kind of simplicity gives us the opportunity to repeat and repeat until we get proper execution. Because of the few number of plays, we can practice to meet all types of defenses.
4. It is a mirror offense. The split end and the tight end are the only people who flip flop. It poses a constant threat to both sides of the defense.
5. It is a total offense; we use the same plays from goal line to goal line. We do not have to develop a special or new offense for different field positions.
6. It has a constant game plan; we use the same plays from week to week. We practice our assignments versus our new opponent’s defense.
7. It has great passing potential:
   1. Because of single coverage on our split end.
   2. Because of the opponents’ concern about our running game, the run-pass options create problems for the defense. 

@calfoxwc said:

Cool, yes. But I don't think it would work. Way back in the day, the Longhorns ran the wishbone like crazy. I think it was
Ara Parsigan, hc of Notre Dame, who used a defense that he got from a high school coach, If I remember correctly.

The defense was designed as a defensive mirror of the wishbone. Everything they did was countered by the opposite formation, opposite players.

But Zombo is a huge Notre Dame fan - he will probably know the story better than I do.

https://jcfb.forums.net/thread/10484/nd-quotmirrorquot-defense-of-full-backfield-wishbone

@ballpeen said:

I doubt it, but seeing Chubb, Hunt, and DJ lined up in a wishbone would be pretty darn cool.  Probably work as well.

Cool, yes. But I don't think it would work. Way back in the day, the Longhorns ran the wishbone like crazy. I think it was
Ara Parsigan, hc of Notre Dame, who used a defense that he got from a high school coach, If I remember correctly.

The defense was designed as a defensive mirror of the wishbone. Everything they did was countered by the opposite formation, opposite players.

But Zombo is a huge Notre Dame fan - he will probably know the story better than I do.

@gumby73 said:

No. 2 WR not a priority,

Are the Browns looking to run the Barry Switzer Wishbone offense?

 

Ian Rapoport

 

@RapSheet

I doubt it, but seeing Chubb, Hunt, and DJ lined up in a wishbone would be pretty darn cool.  Probably work as well.

@syd said:

a very run heavy offense I wonder how many games they feel watson will be gone 4-6-8 ? the entire season ?

If were having to send Jacoby Bissette out there? sure.. tell Teller to go animal on a few pulls.. ?.. "run the damm ball Stef"

I remember Coby Brissett as more of a dink & dunk dimer. He's far from the Baker gunslinger..  

a few concerns to start with..

a.)the Colts should of had the better O-Line to protect a QB over Miami's

b.) Jacoby has not shown to have, the Baker panic joystick button in the pocket leading to turnovers... He bails & runs or takes sacks ?

Jacoby can still run, out of panic.. but he'll need to help himself, on his bad thrown% and get some help on blitz pickups & Receiver drops..

@gumby73 said:

No. 2 WR not a priority,

Are the Browns looking to run the Barry Switzer Wishbone offense?

 

Ian Rapoport

 

@RapSheet

a very run heavy offense I wonder how many games they feel watson will be gone 4-6-8 ? the entire season ?

@mjp28 said:

The QB is the most significant position and investment in all of team sports that's for sure.  A true franchise quarterback is kind of rare item and hard to find.

Think about all of the true franchise quarterquarterbacks that have played in your lifetime. .

I've heard and read that a true  franchise quarterback only come about once every generation  or maybe once every decade. (with some exceptions)

Think about it the Brady, Brees, Farve, Aikman,  Montana and others most are generally associated with football dynasties or super bowl winning teams. And is a good or franchise caliber quarterback pretty much a requirement for a Super Bowl Trophy in the team's office  ?  And the $$$$$ that goes along with it especially  in the modern era of $$$$ football. 

Maybe that's why we talk about them so much.      

The only thing is I put an asterisk on Aikman.. He never called his own plays or had audibles under Norv Turner.

@tiamat63 said:

We need to stop looking at a QB centric offense vis a vis skill players (receivers) being the classic "#1, #2" etc etc...

What you need are role players you craft your concepts and their counters off of.  This is how an offense such as the Patriots stays efficient and adaptable. 

If Watson is what I believe when he begins to take the helm of this team, you won't need dominant skill players or a pro-bowl loaded Oline and running game.    That's why QB is the most significant position investment in all of sports.

The QB is the most significant position and investment in all of team sports that's for sure.  A true franchise quarterback is kind of rare item and hard to find.

Think about all of the true franchise quarterquarterbacks that have played in your lifetime. .

I've heard and read that a true  franchise quarterback only come about once every generation  or maybe once every decade. (with some exceptions)

Think about it the Brady, Brees, Farve, Aikman,  Montana and others most are generally associated with football dynasties or super bowl winning teams. And is a good or franchise caliber quarterback pretty much a requirement for a Super Bowl Trophy in the team's office  ?  And the $$$$$ that goes along with it especially  in the modern era of $$$$ football. 

Maybe that's why we talk about them so much.      

What you need are role players you craft your concepts and their counters off of.  This is how an offense such as the Patriots stays efficient and adaptable. 

If Watson is what I believe when he begins to take the helm of this team, you won't need dominant skill players or a pro-bowl loaded Oline and running game.    That's why QB is the most significant position investment in all of sports.

Viewing all sides of team "getaways"

https://nypost.com/2022/06/02/baker-mayfield-parties-with-wife-emily-amid-browns-chaos/

Happy Friday ! ?️

Austin Hooper’s post June 1st cut will become official .

They will gain a roster spot & $9.5m of cap space. If nothing else changes between now & then.

It will be: 88 of 90 roster spots.. $40,965,218 in cap space

The Browns hold their second open to media practice of OTA's today

so they say update, on a dawg named Suh... https://heavy.com/sports/cleveland-browns/ndamukong-suh-final-call-jadeveon-clowney/

@mr.-make-believe said:

Tired of this sentiment that they did Baker so wrong. I say this as a Baker fan.

HE lampooned his own trade value by not acting like a professional. And HE was the one who said “goodbye” to Cleveland and told them he was never going to play here again despite an impending suspension to the Browns starter. He could be on a different team already if not for his mouth and even if he wasn’t, he could have put himself in a position to start a few games while Jackson sits the start of the season. Could have attempted to build his trade value.

The Browns have nothing to gain by cutting him. They have at least some potential to get something back by holding on in hopes that a situation changes elsewhere. 

I don't agree about the acting like a professional part but otherwise I think you're right. The team really has nothing to gain by cutting the guy. And there's no benefit for the Browns by enriching Carolina or Seattle . But if somebody coughs up four or five million and a fourth or fifth round pick at least they are getting some value instead of Jack schitt. So it's probably just a roll of the dice that somebody's quarterback is going to get hurt during training camp.

WSS

HE lampooned his own trade value by not acting like a professional. And HE was the one who said “goodbye” to Cleveland and told them he was never going to play here again despite an impending suspension to the Browns starter. He could be on a different team already if not for his mouth and even if he wasn’t, he could have put himself in a position to start a few games while Jackson sits the start of the season. Could have attempted to build his trade value.

The Browns have nothing to gain by cutting him. They have at least some potential to get something back by holding on in hopes that a situation changes elsewhere. 

@ballpeen said:

If one wants to come here on the cheap, fine.  Receiving is overrated in that either you can catch, or you can't.  Leadership doesn't improve that.  Leadership isn't overrated, but you only need 1 leader in the room.

Also, you don't designate leaders, it just happens.  Nothing says a rookie couldn't become the leader.

We are better overpaying for aging worthless talent like we always do.

@gumby73 said:

it's back to my full time job 

I thought this WAS your full time job!!?

I too.. would still keep Baker on my team until a Watson pending suspension may get finalized. Mandatory Camp is still 2 weeks away. Berry can somewhat wait out the NFL and field only the real trade offers for Baker.. Baker could still help his self, my structuring a OBJ deal, to go to the team of maybe his semi choice ?

NFL Football in most minds, don't really start the evaluation period until the pads come on..  Last season for the Browns? That was Aug. 3rd...

Stay Cool ? & stay tuned.. meanwhile,

 1) Don't be shocked if Baker gets traded by packaging a good depth RB or CB thrown into a deal ? 

 2) Worry's of adding a DT or WR? Watch where the FA market money may drop to? as agents try to get players on 1 year deals into a teams mandatory camp..

Now look who's stirring the pot? ?  just like this nfl offseason... this 2 weeks prior, could still see some action

it's back to my full time job