@vegasdogg said:

there was never a doubt in my mind. tear it up Jamal!

Jones had a career year @ 30 under Mangenie, he obviously knows how to utilize mature backs well.

@thaak said:

Further... they have a roster spot open. Who do you think they pick up to fill it?

You have to play 6 games on the roster to not be P-Squad eligible

of the offensive line back then, and the unimaginitive play-calling, drops by Edwards, and poor throws

by DA, especially on the shorter throws.

Give Mangini credit, imho, to see that. Furrey takes pressure off Edwards, that's a major reason the Browns

drafted Mack, we FINALLY see SCREENS being called, Quinn will start...

...and involving James Davis in the offensive backfield NOW (Thank You, Mangini ! "sniff"),

takes the pressure and attention off of Lewis.

He's lost a st.. no, lost two whole steps maybe, but he has the veteran leadership, the power,

and enough of "it" to make plays.

But I agree, having James Davis and Lewis, both in the backfield, will give

defenses fits. They will NOT know what is going to be called.

Add in Mass and Rob and Cribs and Quinn's intelligence and versatility,

defenses will worry about the new Browns offense and play calling.

No more simplistic and boring baloney.

Can't wait til the first regular season game to see it for real !

@flugel said:

I would be shocked if there was a fan who thought Lewis is the same back that ran for 2000 yards or even thinks Jamal has that in him.

@tru-status said:

TRUE.

When you think about what he'll earn this year counting his roster bonus - he's prolly outearning every one of our coaches except Mangini. If all he's going to stick around for is coaching the younger guys - it makes sense to compare his earnings with others doing that. I watch this guy try to get it going and my first impression is "ouch." This guy looks like his body is telling him it doesn't want to run anymore but the competitive athlete in him is fighting the signals. I'm just trying to be honest about what I'm seeing.

If the PLAYERS want free agency in this era they gotta be prepared to understand the cruel bottom lines when it's time. This ain't the 60s, 70s or 80s where you watched a player develop and mature into something special and remain here for all 10 years. This guy actually lit us up when he was at the top of his game. He doesn't look anything like that. I liked his 2007 season for us because there was a bit of a comeback. Last year showed me the same guy Baltimore determined wasn't the SAME Jamal they once had. And now it's a year later. In dawg years, it's looking more like 7 years later right about now.

I don't think we OWE anybody anything at this time. There's one exception and his name is Josh Cribbs.

- Tom F.

Such a deep question: But hey, the guy is really big and fast.

20 Adams, Mike DB 5-11 200 03/24/1981 6 Delaware

26 Elam, Abram DB 6-0 207 10/05/1981 4 Kent State

25 Francies, Coye DB 6-0 185 11/15/1986 R San Jose State

30 Lawson, Gerard DB 5-10 195 01/12/1985 2 Oregon State

39 Lockett, Bret DB 6-1 211 10/07/1986 R UCLA

22 McDonald, Brandon DB 5-10 185 08/26/1985 3 Memphis

21 Pool, Brodney DB 6-2 210 05/24/1984 5 Oklahoma

23 Poteat, Hank DB 5-10 195 08/31/1977 8 Pitt

27 Sorensen, Nick DB 6-3 210 07/31/1978 9 Virginia Tech

24 Wright, Eric DB 5-10 190 07/24/1985 3 UNLV

90 Coleman, Kenyon DL 6-5 295 04/10/1979 8 UCLA

69 Mosley, C.J. DL 6-3 305 08/06/1983 5 Missouri

92 Rogers, Shaun DL 6-4 350 03/12/1979 9 Texas

71 Rubin, Ahtyba DL 6-2 330 07/25/1986 2 Iowa State

98 Smith, Robaire DL 6-5 310 11/15/1977 10 Michigan St.

99 Williams, Corey DL 6-4 320 08/17/1980 6 Arkansas State

47 Vickers, Lawrence FB 6-0 250 05/08/1983 4 Colorado

4 Dawson, Phil K 5-11 200 01/23/1975 11 Texas

50 Barton, Eric LB 6-2 245 09/29/1977 11 Maryland

49 Benard, Marcus LB 6-2 256 07/26/1985 R Jackson State

96 Bowens, David LB 6-3 265 07/03/1977 10 Western Illinois

44 Costanzo, Blake LB 6-2 235 04/14/1984 3 Lafayette

51 Hall, Alex LB 6-5 250 08/17/1985 2 St. Augustine

52 Jackson, D'Qwell LB 6-0 240 09/26/1983 4 Maryland

56 Maiava, Kaluka LB 6-0 229 03/22/1987 R USC

57 Veikune, David LB 6-2 257 12/12/1985 R Hawaii

94 Williams, Leon LB 6-2 250 07/30/1983 4 Miami (Fla.)

95 Wimbley, Kamerion LB 6-3 255 10/13/1983 4 Florida State

64 Pontbriand, Ryan LS 6-2 255 10/01/1979 7 Rice

66 Fraley, Hank OL 6-3 310 09/21/1977 10 Robert Morris

70 Hadnot, Rex OL 6-2 320 01/28/1982 6 Houston

79 Hilliard, Corey OL 6-6 300 04/26/1985 3 Oklahoma State

55 Mack, Alex OL 6-4 311 11/19/1985 R Cal

78 St. Clair, John OL 6-6 320 07/15/1977 10 Virginia

65 Steinbach, Eric OL 6-6 295 04/04/1980 7 Iowa

73 Thomas, Joe OL 6-6 312 12/04/1984 3 Wisconsin

77 Womack, Floyd OL 6-4 328 11/15/1978 9 Mississippi State

15 Zastudil, Dave P 6-3 220 10/26/1978 8 Ohio

3 Anderson, Derek QB 6-6 230 06/15/1983 5 Oregon State

10 Quinn, Brady QB 6-3 235 10/27/1984 3 Notre Dame

5 Ratliff, Brett QB 6-4 224 08/08/1985 1 Utah

28 Davis, James RB 5-11 218 01/01/1986 R Clemson

35 Harrison, Jerome RB 5-9 205 02/26/1983 4 Washington State

31 Lewis, Jamal RB 5-11 245 08/26/1979 10 Tennessee

82 Heiden, Steve TE 6-5 270 09/21/1976 11 South Dakota State

84 Royal, Robert TE 6-4 257 05/15/1978 8 LSU

86 Rucker, Martin TE 6-5 260 05/04/1985 2 Missouri

16 Cribbs, Joshua WR 6-1 215 06/09/1983 5 Kent State

17 Edwards, Braylon WR 6-3 215 02/21/1983 5 Michigan

88 Furrey, Mike WR 6-0 195 05/12/1977 7 Northern Iowa

11 Massaquoi, Mohamed WR 6-2 207 11/24/1986 R Georgia

80 Robiskie, Brian WR 6-3 209 12/03/1987 R Ohio State

Reserve - Injured

72 Tucker, Ryan OL 6-6 315 06/12/1975 13 TCU

68 Weary, Fred OL 6-4 307 09/30/1977 8 Tennessee

I believe I would have made room for Patten. I don't understand keeping 10 backers, especially Leon Williams. One thing is for sure, Mangie loves special teams guys.

Who the hell is Corey Hilliard?

The Ike Sowells reign is over with.

I'm also a little concerned about Ali being cut, he was a pretty solid backup.

They obviously decided to go with youth in the defensive backfield by keeping Lockett, Francies and Lawson. Poteat can play both corner and safety and Sorenson is a staple at ST's. It was smart to bring in Hood and Ivy but there were no injuries and the kids showed more.

They have to bring in another lineman because Hadnot is not ready to play yet.

Bartel clearly was better than Ratliff all camp long, but does it really matter? Maybe Mangie is not totally the best player wins the competition huh? It would look silly to cut Ratliff for a guy named Bartel after trading for him.

As for the backs I'd like to see them go after Tyrell Sutton and stash both him and Jennings on the practice squad along with Walker and possibly Leggett. Having only 3 backs and one FB makes it pretty thin, especially if a couple of injuries hit fast. It would be nice to have a couple backs on the PS that know the system.

@vegasdogg said:

I wouldn't celebrate too much either way on this one. If he makes the team and averages under 3 yards a carry - it's really not going to help us. I know some people thinking he's still the same back ready for 2000 yards but then there's those that have watched him struggle to reach the holes before they close this preseason The RB that loses the step or two or three isn't one with upside. He's running too upright and it's taking him an eternity to reach the line of scrimmage. He looks better on the screen passes but who hasn't?

As I commented in the Mary Kay post - I would have had mixed feelings if he got cut. It sounded like he's been a tremendous help to James Davis. Understanding that, he also took Harrison under his wing conditioning last year. That's the part that gives me the warm fuzzies about leadership and attitude. That said, I don't want him turning into Trent Doofus with his unwillingness to accept the demotion if one is coming. Make sense?

Bottom line: the barometer in our division is set at Baltimore and Pittsburgh convenient or not. Lewis couldn't make either one of those teams at RB right now. I think him making the team says we're emaciated at the RB depth. That's HOW you sign a RB released by his last Canadian Football Team. Doesn't mean Lewis rocked the house by any means. Me agrees with Riff and even those columnists that think we need to sign a young back capable of upside. If James Davis goes down to injury we're pretty much FUBAR.

- Tom F.

@riceloft said:

I saw that, was about to post something about it... you beat me to it.

10 DB's

10 LB's

6 DL's

26 total defensive players

8 OL's

5 WR's

3 RB's

3 TE's

3 QB's

1 FB

23 total offensive players

1 P

1 K

1 LS

3 total special team players

I would expect the #53 guy to be on the offensive side, likely an OL guy.

@tru-status said:

http://www.ohiomm.com/blogs/browns/2009/09...er-claim-on-qb/

Browns put in waiver claim on QB

by Marla Ridenour on September 3, 2009

The Boston Globe reported that the Browns were one of four teams who put in a waiver claim Wednesday on New England quarterback Kevin O'Connell, a third-round pick in 2008.

Detroit got him by virtue of its 0-16 record last season.

According to the Herald, the Denver Broncos and New York Jets also tried to obtain O'Connell.

Former Browns defensive lineman Louis Leonard told the Rock Hill (S.C.) Herald that he was getting a pedicure in a Cleveland nail salon when his agent called him to tell him he'd been traded to the Carolina Panthers. Leonard was dealt Tuesday for an undisclosed draft choice.

Make room for who?!?!?

You do realize that we missed O'Connell on the waiver claim, right?

Browns: Cutdown analysis

September 5, 2009 6:40 PM

Posted by ESPN.com’s James Walker

Biggest surprise: The Browns released some veterans they hoped would contribute more to the team this year in receiver David Patten and cornerback Corey Ivy. Both signed in Cleveland as free agents to provide veteran stability, but neither played well enough in training camp or the preseason. Ivy was one of the extra cornerbacks in Cleveland’s sub packages, and now the team needs to find someone else to fill that role before next week’s game against the Minnesota Vikings. The Browns also made enough cuts to leave one roster spot available, which means they’re up to something in the coming days.

No-brainers: Reports began to circulate in the past 24 hours that starting tailback Jamal Lewis would be released Saturday by the Browns. But that proved to be nothing more than a rumor. The Browns have no proven talent behind Lewis and would have gone into the season with a rookie sixth-round pick -- James Davis -- as their starting running back. Plus, the Browns paid Lewis a sizable roster bonus this offseason and would have taken a significant cap hit as a result. Piecing it all together, it made the most sense for Cleveland to keep Lewis.

What’s next: As evident by their open roster spot, the Browns should be one of the more active teams in the next 48 hours. Compared to the rest of the AFC North, Cleveland is lacking overall depth and talent at several positions. Browns head coach Eric Mangini has a penchant for acquiring his former players. So look for the Browns to experience some turnover at the bottom of their roster for veterans Mangini is familiar with.

@mario said:

They'll sign him or Hubbard to the practice squad.....................but I don't think both. But, I also can't see them staying with 4 TE's.............something could be up there. They talked about releasing Heiden or maybe putting him on the PUP. that would reduce the roster to 51.