@mjp28 said:

★ Will this country   EVER   come back to one country  ?  Or not.    JUNE 24, 2022.   The Atlantic. ★

An article that I saw on Facebook from  The Antlantic magazine  I think it might be at least be partly true.

It may be time to stop talking about “red” and “blue” America. That’s the provocative conclusion of Michael Podhorzer, a longtime political strategist for labor unions and the chair of the Analyst Institute, a collaborative of progressive groups that studies elections. In a private newsletter that he writes for a small group of activists, Podhorzer recently laid out a detailed case for thinking of the two blocs as fundamentally different nations uneasily sharing the same geographic space.

“When we think about the United States, we make the essential error of imagining it as a single nation, a marbled mix of Red and Blue people,” Podhorzer writes. “But in truth, we have never been one nation. We are more like a federated republic of two nations: Blue Nation and Red Nation. This is not a metaphor; it is a geographic and historical reality.”

Podhorzer isn’t predicting another civil war, exactly. But he’s warning that the pressure on the country’s fundamental cohesion is likely to continue ratcheting up in the 2020s. Like other analysts who study democracy, he views the Trump faction that now dominates the Republican Party—what he terms the “MAGA movement”—as the U.S. equivalent to the authoritarian parties in places such as Hungary and Venezuela. It is a multipronged, fundamentally antidemocratic movement that has built a solidifying base of institutional support through conservative media networks, evangelical churches, wealthy Republican donors, GOP elected officials, paramilitary white-nationalist groups, and a mass public following. And it is determined to impose its policy and social vision on the entire country—with or without majority support. “The structural attacks on our institutions that paved the way for Trump’s candidacy will continue to progress,” Podhorzer argues, “with or without him at the helm.”

Read: Beware prophecies of civil war

All of this is fueling what I’ve called “the great divergence” now under way between red and blue states. This divergence itself creates enormous strain on the country’s cohesion, but more and more even that looks like only a way station. What’s becoming clearer over time is that the Trump-era GOP is hoping to use its electoral dominance of the red states, the small-state bias in the Electoral College and the Senate, and the GOP-appointed majority on the Supreme Court to impose its economic and social model on the entire nation—with or without majority public support. As measured on fronts including the January 6 insurrection, the procession of Republican 2020 election deniers running for offices that would provide them with control over the 2024 electoral machinery, and the systematic advance of a Republican agenda by the Supreme Court, the underlying political question of the 2020s remains whether majority rule—and democracy as we’ve known it—can survive this offensive.

Podhorzer defines modern red and blue America as the states in which each party has usually held unified control of the governorship and state legislature in recent years. By that yardstick, there are 25 red states, 17 blue states, and eight purple states, where state-government control has typically been divided. ---------- continued ---------->

TLDR (personal situation limiting my time right now).

Yes, but the Nation (current) will die first   .   .   .   rebirth from the ashes will once again (and maybe forevermore) be the light of the World we are supposed to be.

Much pain (you think dying is fun ?), great victory, short reprieve, then greatest of darkness before great light once again   .   .   .  

All Madness   .   .   .  

@mld-woody said:

I really have no idea. But if I were to take a guess, based on the point being made, the second one is Fox

I'm not saying more mainstream sources can't be biased. They obviously can. Plenty also pawn off opinion pieces as news. Again, with Fox, Tuckers lawyers would tell you he's not news. 

The line is being blurred, sure. My problem is false equivalency. 

Ammoland isn't Fox

Fox/CNN isn't ABC

etc

winner winner chicken dinner

@vaportrail said:

I think the lines between them are blurrier than you're letting on. Let's play a game. You tell me if the following headline comes from FoxNews, Breitbart, or Ammoland

• Supreme Court Upholds Gun Rights Outside of the Home, Let’s Break It Down
• SCOTUS guns rights ruling prompts meltdown from CNN's Toobin: Conservatives want guns 'anywhere anytime'
• NY Gov. Kathy Hochul Floats Special Legislative Session After SCOTUS Pro-2nd Amendment Ruling

I really have no idea. But if I were to take a guess, based on the point being made, the second one is Fox

I'm not saying more mainstream sources can't be biased. They obviously can. Plenty also pawn off opinion pieces as news. Again, with Fox, Tuckers lawyers would tell you he's not news. 

The line is being blurred, sure. My problem is false equivalency. 

Ammoland isn't Fox

Fox/CNN isn't ABC

etc

@mld-woody said:

I'm not disagreeing that they're struggling. I'm not disagreeing that they're going for more sensational headlines to draw viewers (which has happened for a very long time, but you can't say it's gotten worse). I'm not even saying they aren't biased (at whatever level that is). 

I'm saying the publications are held to a different standard. Fox isn't Ammoland. CNN isn't ... whatever left wing Ammoland is, Slate? Idk. 

I think the lines between them are blurrier than you're letting on. Let's play a game. You tell me if the following headline comes from FoxNews, Breitbart, or Ammoland

• Supreme Court Upholds Gun Rights Outside of the Home, Let’s Break It Down
• SCOTUS guns rights ruling prompts meltdown from CNN's Toobin: Conservatives want guns 'anywhere anytime'
• NY Gov. Kathy Hochul Floats Special Legislative Session After SCOTUS Pro-2nd Amendment Ruling

@calfoxwc said:

https://redstate.com/levon/2022/07/02/wwii-veteran-breaks-down-in-tears-the-things-we-fought-for-the-boys-that-died-for-it-its-all-gone-down-the-drain-n587731

WWII Veteran Breaks Down in Tears: 'The Things We Fought For, The Boys That Died for It, It's All Gone Down the Drain'

I've seen bits about him on the news and read this article about him here 100 my dad would have been 101 this year they were truly members of the Greatest Generation since our Founding Fathers.   The youngest of 11 children, stayed home to provide for his family. 

Everything about him is just class at the highest level and a farmer from West Virginia where some of my mother's people came from and through. 

I don't think that today's "average"  American could hold a candle from what he came through.   Even my decorated uncle Nick with two bronze stars in Europe from D-Day through the Remargin Bridge to VE Day who was my godfather  -or- my dad who got a bronze star in the Mediterranean had what this guy had devotion to his fellow solders and country.  

To win WWII it took the right stuff by a lot of people.  I'd like to tell Mr. Williams just that a lot of us still remember and care about him.

@mjp28 said:

Will this country   EVER   come back to one country  ?  Or not.

@calfoxwc said:

no, that's stupid. Give him all the states he won outright, then give him all the states he would have won except for voter fraud.

   He won't miss the other states, aren't that many.

And therein lies your whole problem. Neither courts nor DOJ nor even that crazy Sydney now ever found the voter fraud it would take to even make one of those states close to being won by Trump. Evidence never supported it and despite all your crazy posts, never will. You are now a part of his unconstitutional attempt to remain in power because he really is so nuts he can't face being a loser. Stop participating in that delusion and get yourself back to your oath to the Constitution, an oath he has never even attempted to uphold his entire life.

@diehardbrownsfan1 said:

Getting any pussy?  

only when he changes costumes....

@mld-woody said:

I'm not disagreeing that they're struggling. I'm not disagreeing that they're going for more sensational headlines to draw viewers (which has happened for a very long time, but you can't say it's gotten worse). I'm not even saying they aren't biased (at whatever level that is). 

I'm saying the publications are held to a different standard. Fox isn't Ammoland. CNN isn't ... whatever left wing Ammoland is, Slate? Idk. 

Getting any pussy?  

@vaportrail said:

I agree with Steve. The only real difference between those publications is the level of education they are targeting. Pretty much all legacy media is struggling because there has been increasing pressure to publish increasingly narrow, approved narratives. I personally first noticed it during Obama's presidency with the infamous "fist bump or terrorist fist-jab?" headline. Unfortunately, legacy media struggled with the spread of social media, and they followed the Fox News playbook to even greater success from 2016 on.

The author of the article brings up legitimate points, but it's annoying to try and find them when most of this excerpt is spent fearmongering about Trump and the people who support him. Independent media is the way to go. For example, this article Peter Zeihan wrote 4 years ago, comes to similar conclusions without having to blame the people who don't agree with him. 

I'm not disagreeing that they're struggling. I'm not disagreeing that they're going for more sensational headlines to draw viewers (which has happened for a very long time, but you can't say it's gotten worse). I'm not even saying they aren't biased (at whatever level that is). 

I'm saying the publications are held to a different standard. Fox isn't Ammoland. CNN isn't ... whatever left wing Ammoland is, Slate? Idk. 

WWII Veteran Breaks Down in Tears: 'The Things We Fought For, The Boys That Died for It, It's All Gone Down the Drain'

@mld-woody said:

That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

I agree with Steve. The only real difference between those publications is the level of education they are targeting. Pretty much all legacy media is struggling because there has been increasing pressure to publish increasingly narrow, approved narratives. I personally first noticed it during Obama's presidency with the infamous "fist bump or terrorist fist-jab?" headline. Unfortunately, legacy media struggled with the spread of social media, and they followed the Fox News playbook to even greater success from 2016 on.

The author of the article brings up legitimate points, but it's annoying to try and find them when most of this excerpt is spent fearmongering about Trump and the people who support him. Independent media is the way to go. For example, this article Peter Zeihan wrote 4 years ago, comes to similar conclusions without having to blame the people who don't agree with him. 

@mld-woody said:

That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

Which actually makes them more Despicable than Ammoland. At least with them you know it's a right wing yeehaw God Bless America site. Nyt pretends to be an impartial news Outlet.

WSS 

@mld-woody said:

Fuck it. Split the country. Give Trump the south and give Bernie the north. Let Texas be its own country 

no, that's stupid. Give him all the states he won outright, then give him all the states he would have won except for voter fraud.

   He won't miss the other states, aren't that many.

Yeah, racial tensions are an issue... And that's because of Obamao! (not so subtile)

There's a lot of political hate in this country.... And the Demonratz started it!

@westside-steve said:

Blow me Tex. The Atlantic the New York Times CNN on and on and on are absolutely no better than red state Ammoland and Fox. They just panned her to your stupid f****** hypocritical agenda. They just sell soap and patent medicine to a different demographic.

WSS

That's not true at all and thoughts like yours are very much party of the problem. I wouldn't put Fox as low as Ammooand either. 

Seems many here not only have a poor perception of bias but also a poor perception of legitimacy. 

Whether you want to admit it or not CNN (or Fox) has to operate at a higher standard than Ammoland.

@hoorta said:

LOL, you forget... If it's not from Red State or Patriot Alerts- it's "FAKE NEWS" here.....   

WSS