@jrb12711 said:

I've seen a lot of your posts, and it's obvious you aren't going to change your mind based on the things I've said multiple times. I just encourage you to take time to read through the below. There are MANY reasons women go back to abusers. There are MANY reasons sexual based offenses are notoriously hard to prosecute. The below is about domestic violence, and I understand that's not the same scenario but it's similar to Watson's cases in Psychology. We need to be better about understanding this.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202107/why-do-domestic-violence-victims-return-abusers

First off let me say I respect your support of people who have been sexually abused. I have some fairly close knowledge of how that can impact lives longer term. That said I simply don’t see that as what has happened in these cases. I believe through masterfully executed media blitz it’s what many have been led to believe occurred. The flip side is I think the media has been woefully handled by Watsons team. 

@jcam222 said:

Not sure why you threw the “underage” in your comparison because it doesn’t apply in any of Watson cases. I think it’s a stretch to say he predatorily stalked 66 woman. Quite a few of those 66 had no issue at all with their interactions with Watson. He didn’t have to dig far to find some of them as they advertise on Instagram. Many single men trill the bars and dating sites literally daily looking for sex. Is that predatory in the absence of force, coercion or violence?  I still go back to wondering how it is possible he slapped his penis around on the women so liberally and ejaculated  prior to them backing off and asking him to leave. I further don’t understand how some of them actually allowed him to make subsequent appointments. I stand by my assessment that he is sexually addicted with a kink for the massage setting. Should he treat that? Probably but in and of itself it’s not illegal. Two different grand juries declined to say indict relative to legal vs illegal behaviors. ThIs entire thing continues to grow away from actual facts based on media nudge and public reaction to that nudge. Roger isn’t pushing fo what he thinks is right, he’s pushing for whatever he thinks will satisfy the frenzy. 

I've seen a lot of your posts, and it's obvious you aren't going to change your mind based on the things I've said multiple times. I just encourage you to take time to read through the below. There are MANY reasons women go back to abusers. There are MANY reasons sexual based offenses are notoriously hard to prosecute. The below is about domestic violence, and I understand that's not the same scenario but it's similar to Watson's cases in Psychology. We need to be better about understanding this.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202107/why-do-domestic-violence-victims-return-abusers

@calfoxwc said:

Yep. Disagreeing with someone's narrative... they get nasty. Too bad.

What about the narrative that you constantly play the victim?

@jrb12711 said:

No, and I've seen the video. Look at this way, albeit more severe. A man kills a man after a heated argument. Does he deserve to go to jail for a very long time? Sure. But at the core of it, would you agree one really poor decision warrants a second chance? Maybe you do, maybe you don't.

This situation plays a lot different than a serial killer who stalked, planned, and killed innocent people. Both people killed a person, but you would pretty objectively agree the serial killer is "worse" offender and isn't nearly as warranted, if at all, to deserve freedom right?

My values are as straight as an arrow. Part of understanding your values is the realization that the world of gray exists in specific, individual scenarios. Kareem Hunt didn't go searching for dozens of underage girls to stalk, get drunk, and take advantage of. Watson did search out 66 women for what he wanted to do. I'm not going to argue with you for a second if you think he didn't, cause it's a waste of typing.

Not sure why you threw the “underage” in your comparison because it doesn’t apply in any of Watson cases. I think it’s a stretch to say he predatorily stalked 66 woman. Quite a few of those 66 had no issue at all with their interactions with Watson. He didn’t have to dig far to find some of them as they advertise on Instagram. Many single men trill the bars and dating sites literally daily looking for sex. Is that predatory in the absence of force, coercion or violence?  I still go back to wondering how it is possible he slapped his penis around on the women so liberally and ejaculated  prior to them backing off and asking him to leave. I further don’t understand how some of them actually allowed him to make subsequent appointments. I stand by my assessment that he is sexually addicted with a kink for the massage setting. Should he treat that? Probably but in and of itself it’s not illegal. Two different grand juries declined to say indict relative to legal vs illegal behaviors. ThIs entire thing continues to grow away from actual facts based on media nudge and public reaction to that nudge. Roger isn’t pushing fo what he thinks is right, he’s pushing for whatever he thinks will satisfy the frenzy. 

@jrb12711 said:

I'm so proud of your ability to quote. You said that I said "Hunt was a victim", which if you could continue to use basic reading comprehension I didn't say. Which means, guess what? You put words in my mouth. 

I've outlined three different times why the situations are markedly different. You choose to continue to virtue signal as an attempt to make peace with Watson being on the team. Do whatever makes you content, but I'll keep critically thinking over here. Have a good one.

Yep. Disagreeing with someone's narrative... they get nasty. Too bad.

@hoorta said:

Depends, 'Peen...  The dust has to settle on the Watson front before we let go of a guy like Hunt (no way if Deshaun gets hammered with an entire season). Say we do trade Kareem, and then Chubb gets hurt. Take your chances on Johnson or an unproven rookie like Ford to carry the load? Um, not from this armchair GM's POV.    

I don't see Watson as having anything to do with it.

I see Johnson as Cubbs back-up.  They are the same type of back.

Plus, if we are going to play the getting hurt card, what if Hunt gets hurt?  My point is we can "what if" all day long.

@orion said:

Were these your words?  Did they come out of your mouth?  

I'm so proud of your ability to quote. You said that I said "Hunt was a victim", which if you could continue to use basic reading comprehension I didn't say. Which means, guess what? You put words in my mouth. 

I've outlined three different times why the situations are markedly different. You choose to continue to virtue signal as an attempt to make peace with Watson being on the team. Do whatever makes you content, but I'll keep critically thinking over here. Have a good one.

@jrb12711 said:

My values are as straight as an arrow. ...Kareem Hunt didn't go searching for dozens of underage girls to stalk, get drunk, and take advantage of. 

Were these your words?  Did they come out of your mouth?  

@diehardbrownsfan1 said:

If Watson starts throwing TD's and winning games, watch the attitude adjustment.

A happy ending so to speak.

@orion said:

umm...so Hunt was a victim.  

Don't put words in my mouth, and take time to actually read my comments. If that's the best response you have you aren't doing any of that and are simply, like many, trying to virtue signal two markedly different situations.

@jrb12711 said:

My values are as straight as an arrow....Kareem Hunt didn't go searching for dozens of underage girls to stalk, get drunk, and take advantage of.

umm...so Hunt was a victim.  

@orion said:

What??

Did Watson punch someone?

Man, you've got your values in a pretzel.  

No, and I've seen the video. Look at this way, albeit more severe. A man kills a man after a heated argument. Does he deserve to go to jail for a very long time? Sure. But at the core of it, would you agree one really poor decision warrants a second chance? Maybe you do, maybe you don't.

This situation plays a lot different than a serial killer who stalked, planned, and killed innocent people. Both people killed a person, but you would pretty objectively agree the serial killer is "worse" offender and isn't nearly as warranted, if at all, to deserve freedom right?

My values are as straight as an arrow. Part of understanding your values is the realization that the world of gray exists in specific, individual scenarios. Kareem Hunt didn't go searching for dozens of underage girls to stalk, get drunk, and take advantage of. Watson did search out 66 women for what he wanted to do. I'm not going to argue with you for a second if you think he didn't, cause it's a waste of typing.

@jrb12711 said:

I mean, this one isn't too much of a head scratcher. With Hunt, it's clearly a scenario where all parties were drunk and arguing. The story is a lot he-said, she said but if you believe Hunt at any value he accused the girls of saying racial slurs and refusing to leave. Obviously, he crossed a line and was (and should have been) punished severely for it. Hunt lost likely 10's of millions of dollars of money from that video and incident: https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/25471824/how-kareem-hunt-nfl-career-was-put-hold-night-town. What went down with Hunt, while awful, is a good example of someone who warrants a second and final chance.

That scenario plays a lot differently than a dude searching for 66 massage therapists, 25+ of them accusing him of nefarious acts, and actively looking for what he put himself to. Really cut and dry actually.

@jcam222 said:

I think that many of the 26 “professional” masseurs should be fined for not knowing that same difference. 

Ever since the shut down the Chicken Ranch, they all had to become massage "therapists". MAGA-bring back the Chicken Ranch where you can exchange this ? for this ?. LOL!

@canton-dawg said:

Watson should be fined for not knowing the difference between a hooker and a massage therapist.

I think that many of the 26 “professional” masseurs should be fined for not knowing that same difference. 

@orion said:

I'll bet lots of guys have done what he did.  But, if your place of employment wants to punish you for it, then, you have to accept the punishment or take 'em to court.

A hooker will be anything you want her to be.

At least that’s what I heard! ?

@canton-dawg said:

Watson should be fined for not knowing the difference between a hooker and a massage therapist.

I'll bet lots of guys have done what he did.  But, if your place of employment wants to punish you for it, then, you have to accept the punishment or take 'em to court.

@orion said:

What??

Did Watson punch someone?

Man, you've got your values in a pretzel.  

Watson should be fined for not knowing the difference between a hooker and a massage therapist.

@jrb12711 said:

I mean, this one isn't too much of a head scratcher. With Hunt, it's clearly a scenario where all parties were drunk and arguing. The story is a lot he-said, she said but if you believe Hunt at any value he accused the girls of saying racial slurs and refusing to leave. Obviously, he crossed a line and was (and should have been) punished severely for it. Hunt lost likely 10's of millions of dollars of money from that video and incident: https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/25471824/how-kareem-hunt-nfl-career-was-put-hold-night-town. What went down with Hunt, while awful, is a good example of someone who warrants a second and final chance.

That scenario plays a lot differently than a dude searching for 66 massage therapists, 25+ of them accusing him of nefarious acts, and actively looking for what he put himself to. Really cut and dry actually.

What??

Did Watson punch someone?

Man, you've got your values in a pretzel.  

@jrb12711 said:

I mean, this one isn't too much of a head scratcher. With Hunt, it's clearly a scenario where all parties were drunk and arguing. The story is a lot he-said, she said but if you believe Hunt at any value he accused the girls of saying racial slurs and refusing to leave. Obviously, he crossed a line and was (and should have been) punished severely for it. Hunt lost likely 10's of millions of dollars of money from that video and incident: https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/25471824/how-kareem-hunt-nfl-career-was-put-hold-night-town. What went down with Hunt, while awful, is a good example of someone who warrants a second and final chance.

That scenario plays a lot differently than a dude searching for 66 massage therapists, 25+ of them accusing him of nefarious acts, and actively looking for what he put himself to. Really cut and dry actually.

True.  Justice should be fair and uniform as much as possible with all of the  pertinent facts   taken into account. 

A blindfolded woman with the scales and a big azz sword !

@orion said:

It's interesting how much we like Hunt and are disgusted by Watson.  

I mean, this one isn't too much of a head scratcher. With Hunt, it's clearly a scenario where all parties were drunk and arguing. The story is a lot he-said, she said but if you believe Hunt at any value he accused the girls of saying racial slurs and refusing to leave. Obviously, he crossed a line and was (and should have been) punished severely for it. Hunt lost likely 10's of millions of dollars of money from that video and incident: https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/25471824/how-kareem-hunt-nfl-career-was-put-hold-night-town. What went down with Hunt, while awful, is a good example of someone who warrants a second and final chance.

That scenario plays a lot differently than a dude searching for 66 massage therapists, 25+ of them accusing him of nefarious acts, and actively looking for what he put himself to. Really cut and dry actually.

@texasag1969 said:

Why that depends entirely on how Baker does. Haven't you been paying attention at all??

Not really. The Panthers suck. Depending on whether or not we believe the hype the Browns are poised to go to the Super Bowl with any above average quarterback. Seems I've heard that tale before.

WSS

@unsympathetic said:

So.. you read all that and couldn't tell it was comedy?

I think that Prodigy album you found in the Self-Help section was misplaced.

That's a joke which is a callback to your earlier pro-domestic-violence post.  Prodigy's biggest hit is a song called "smack my bitch up" .  This is also a callback to my own post about bitches! It was all a long setup..

I have no doubt you'll be taken aback if I told you most people don't listen to the shit you do.