@orion said:

I want the Berry and Stefanski combination to survive and thrive. Changing those key positions every few years often creates more problems than it solves.

I whole heartedly agree.  I haven't seen anything to indicate that these guys are trash.  We're not going to like every decision, draft pick or play call no matter who's the GM / HC team.  These guys 'seem to be' birds of a feather, there's no toxic relationships like we've seen before.  I would tell Haslem, "I don't know how much better you can make it....but you can fuck in up".   

Agree.

It's maddening as a fan.

Who would have thought Holmgren would exploit Haslam? 

Who would have thought Hue would suck so bad? Damn, I thought he would be pretty good.

"In Dorsey we trust"...oops, well he wasn't ultra terrible. He made a few signings that bit the Browns, but he brought more good than bad.

Berry, Stefanski...yeah there's things to clean up. But there's also promise. Please give these guys time. Let them learn from the failures. Make Cle a stable place for once.

@gumby73 said:

Pluto

I want the Berry and Stefanski combination to survive and thrive. Changing those key positions every few years often creates more problems than it solves.

I whole heartedly agree.  I haven't seen anything to indicate that these guys are trash.  We're not going to like every decision, draft pick or play call no matter who's the GM / HC team.  These guys 'seem to be' birds of a feather, there's no toxic relationships like we've seen before.  I would tell Haslem, "I don't know how much better you can make it....but you can fuck it up".   

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/5-things-we-learned-from-andrew-berry-s-bye-week-press-conference-x8522

Pluto https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2022/11/what-about-kevin-stefanski-as-the-future-coach-of-the-cleveland-browns-terry-pluto.html

@canton-dawg said:

I thought the HC determines who’s the starter?

....and Stef says, "Yeah, I just work here."

I thought the HC determines who’s the starter?

Anyway, we’re not sitting the $230 million dollar man.

@nickers said:

Here you go MJP!!!

Oh we did Bathfitters last year......big $$$$......but it was worth it.  Part of a complete remodeling  of our 36 year old house.    And after almost 4 years DONE, but worth the time spent.   Just sayin '    

No news when he’s gone away, but soon as he’s back in the news, let’s file a suit

@mjp28 said:

That was good !  

And I wouldn't worry about your retirement package  ...................... just yet.   

As long as the free shower package comes with it , right?      

.........  and I had to re-edit the emoji face !       Still funny stuff.    And im watching old reruns of Rescue Me now..  Funny stuff too.

@d-bone said:

Dammit, if only I would've done some electrical work for him, as I'm sure I would suddenly remember how he made me feel uncomfortable walking around in those tight shorts and muscle shirt while showing me what he wanted done, all while saying "You can load up my panel any day Sparky". 

Well, there goes my retirement plan. 

That was good !  

And I wouldn't worry about your retirement package  ...................... just yet.   

Well, there goes my retirement plan. 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10052338-browns-deshaun-watson-facing-new-lawsuit-allegedly-pressured-massage-therapist.amp.html

@orion said:

Can't practice yet.  I think that people thinking he's going to be the savior of our season will be disappointed.  He's been on the shelf for soooo long.........new team.......his strings are going to be so far out of tune...   

Our schedule ahead is tougher than the opposition we have played. I have been saying this season is lost for a couple of games already. Knowing this likelihood, we should be making changes as soon as possible to get the team ready for next season with new coache(s) and players. A new DC at least. That's the only way to get dividends from the DW trade IMO.

@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:

Yet not one of the women in question had the character of this Canfield Fair woman? Not one stood up to Watson. No cop was called. No manager was notified. Not one of the establishments banned him from coming back?

You don't think that is fishy? I honestly think it stinks to high heaven. 

Sorry, I think these women are gold diggers. Until money entered the picture there were fine.

He may be a perv, but these women are no angels, and certainly not victims. I am sick and tired of hearing about how strong women are, and then having to listen to them whine about how traumatized they are. Fuck em. Play ball.

True !    And now ......  Massage females.....very rich NFL QB.....someone smelled easy money.....once it started just say "he said this"......then just make sure that you spell my name right on my check.   

But  the bad part he's a starting quarterback for an NFL professional football team what is he doing  fiddling around with all of these broads ?  Doesn't he have any self control not to get involved like this ?

And it's not 1 or 3 or whatever 60 ?   Is he Bill Cosby for christ sake.   He brings this slimeball mess  right up to the Cleveland Browns front door.    Oh thanks a lot to the owner too.

SO here we are still typing about this perv....his broads....the bad PR....the suspension and fine.....a screwed up season (well the QB part).

Anybody else wish this all would just go away ?     But it's not.

@hoorta said:

Yeah- and if high character was a major criteria for success, Tim Tebow would be in the HOF. 

OTOH, there's several criminals who are.   

That's an interesting thought. 

WOW.  44 pages, quite an interesting subject.   Mr Watson and his huge fine and Johnson that.....well you know the rest.  And his big $$$$ fine that's just chump change for him.   Carry on.

.......edit add,   I have to say when  I saw a post on something that was near and dear to me the Canfield Fair in the 1970s I just had to make some comments on it.  I guarantee you I was there every year many days.   The old mud fields with the stuck cars and the farmers with their tractors pulling them out.  The 100,000 - 150,000 atendees......oh yes. !

-BUT-  I didn't want it to take over the topic......so I'm throwing a flag on myself.

SO back to Mr Watson and his trials and tribulations.     And on.....

@mjp28 said:

Oh yes !  The Canfield Fair which is the largest county fair  in the state of Ohio  and just amazing.   Established 1846  we used to go to it every year especially in the  1970s with some 100,000+/day  back then when I was in my 20s and the steel mills were rolling. 

Oh that was fantastic,   still is what a terrific place to go to all 6 days.   I especially liked the Canfield Fair at night.   

@calfoxwc said:

LOL. I actually think he meets with psychologists to try to fix his sick behavior.

 I would hope, if they could go back in time, the FO would see that they should NEVER have made that sick, stupid-ass trade with the guaranteed money.

The haslams are so bad, that maybe they have their people negotiating with him to decide guaranteed unlicensed massotherapy they will personally do for him if he could just get their to a superbowl.

Just freaking blech.

Yeah- and if high character was a major criteria for success, Tim Tebow would be in the HOF. 

OTOH, there's several criminals who are.   

@calfoxwc said:

so, we went to the Canfield Fair - it is a giant of a fair. 353 acres, hundreds of thousands of visitors each year.

It takes a good while to ride the tractor-driven wagons all around the fair.

   Great time. Talked with some veterans in a veteran's row several booths.

Downside - went to a booth for a large lemonade. They were 7$ for a large. It was little ice, seemed like little sugar, and was warm. Iced it and put sugar in it when we got home, it was good.

I was surprised to talk with a vendor about watson. She sold flags, had flags for every pro team, etc etc. I saw a steeler flag and joked that I was offended, I hated the steelers. She laughed and said she hears that all the time. Said I must be a browns fan- I said "yes, but I'm sick of that trade they did, can't stand it. Now I hate their front office and ownership"....

   She said as a woman, it is sickening, that trade, and said as a former massotherapist when she was in college - she NEVER had anything like that happen. If it had, she would have been angry and really it would have been a bad scene, she would have been telling him off.....or worse.

She said browns fans deserve so much better than what the browns owners and fo did. Said he should not be allowed to play and have anyone cheering for him, if it ever does happen.

   Didn't expect that - but she was right.

Oh yes !  The Canfield Fair which is the largest county fair  in the state of Ohio  and just amazing.   Established 1846  we used to go to it every year especially in the  1970s with some 100,000+/day  back then when I was in my 20s and the steel mills were rolling. 

Oh that was fantastic,   still is what a terrific place to go to all 6 days.   I especially liked the Canfield Fair at night.   

@calfoxwc said:

LOL. I actually think he meets with psychologists to try to fix his sick behavior.

 I would hope, if they could go back in time, the FO would see that they should NEVER have made that sick, stupid-ass trade with the guaranteed money.

The haslams are so bad, that maybe they have their people negotiating with him to decide guaranteed unlicensed massotherapy they will personally do for him if he could just get their to a superbowl.

Just freaking blech.

Better than Mayfield, LMAO.