to being a laughingstock.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/3896238977300001

@pat-mahomo said:

Narrator:

........"it was not worth it......."

Yeah.

Just remember that the fans didn't make this move. ESPN, etc seem to think we did. It gets tiring.

........"it was not worth it......."

@gumby73 said:

Inflation! Get Lucy a new sign ?... all my doctors have become labeled specialist to get that extra 10 bucks in co-pays .. *Is it worth it?  

Well, my wife says I am a gibber jabber.. than she laughs, as I break into lyrics from Sound of Madness

Should I lend her my gumby secret decoder ring????

@texasag1969 said:

Lucy 5 cents for Psychiatric Help.

Inflation! Get Lucy a new sign ?... all my doctors have become labeled specialist to get that extra 10 bucks in co-pays .. *Is it worth it?  

Well, my wife says I am a gibber jabber.. than she laughs, as I break into lyrics from Sound of Madness

@nickers said:

One thing to keep in mind... Without really knowing Watson's background all too well...  I do know he was raised by his mom and his "Aunties" according to him... Outside of maybe his college coach... I don't believe he's had any real strong male force in his life. Now I'm not here to condemn single moms... There's some great ones out there... I know a few...  But this kid was surrounded by women his whole life until adult hood most likely without any real male guidance I know of... Coming from a broken home does weird shit to people.. The scars are lifelong lasting... The kid has to admit he's got some issues. I'm not saying its his moms fault or his aunts... But he needs to gather control of himself and quit lying to himself and those surrounding him...

Which is what any good therapist would do if they are competent. You assist the person you are counseling take a good honest look at himself/herself while guiding them through the therapeutic process to address what they see and come up with viable solutions in changing their lives. I'm not a sexual problems therapist, but I know some who specialize in it. They have to go through some very specialized training/certification to become competent in that field. The Browns organization will help him find a good one.

@gumby73 said:

I get what this NFL rep is saying here.. I do

But, we still have a lawyer-ed up Watson, defending his guilt on maybe only truly assaulting 2-3 of the women that filed that claim against him originally..Not all 30, he paid did..  Robinson could only roundup 4 to speak to..

I'm I wrong here?   

and, I swore I saw this QB stand at a podium, and "apologize to All* women that this may have affected" (on media deaf ears ?️)  

His non-admitted guilt is? He has some type of sex fantasy that Watson can only fix himself by admitting he has one... it is what it is media taking heads..

No Counseling fees needed  ?  Start here ^^

One thing to keep in mind... Without really knowing Watson's background all too well...  I do know he was raised by his mom and his "Aunties" according to him... Outside of maybe his college coach... I don't believe he's had any real strong male force in his life. Now I'm not here to condemn single moms... There's some great ones out there... I know a few...  But this kid was surrounded by women his whole life until adult hood most likely without any real male guidance I know of... Coming from a broken home does weird shit to people.. The scars are lifelong lasting... The kid has to admit he's got some issues. I'm not saying its his moms fault or his aunts... But he needs to gather control of himself and quit lying to himself and those surrounding him...

@gumby73 said:

I get what this NFL rep is saying here.. I do

But, we still have a lawyer-ed up Watson, defending his guilt on maybe only truly assaulting 2-3 of the women that filed that claim against him originally..Not all 30, he paid did..  Robinson could only roundup 4 to speak to..

I'm I wrong here?   

and, I swore I saw this QB stand at a podium, and "apologize to All* women that this may have affected" (on media deaf ears ?️)  

His non-admitted guilt is? He has some type of sex fantasy that Watson can only fix himself by admitting he has one... it is what it is media taking heads..

No Counseling fees needed  ?  Start here ^^

Lucy 5 cents for Psychiatric Help.

But, we still have a lawyer-ed up Watson, defending his guilt on maybe only truly assaulting 2-3 of the women that filed that claim against him originally..Not all 30, he paid did..  Robinson could only roundup 4 to speak to..

I'm I wrong here?   

and, I swore I saw this QB stand at a podium, and "apologize to All* women that this may have affected" (on media deaf ears ?️)  

His non-admitted guilt is? He has some type of sex fantasy that Watson can only fix himself by admitting he has one... it is what it is media taking heads..

No Counseling fees needed  ?  Start here ^^

Watson insisted he never assaulted anybody after accepting his suspension.

Might not be the exact correct thread for this.

WSS

@flugel said:

I wish I had that t-shirt back when I had season tickets to Vanderbilt Football.  One week, I wore a Vandy hat and a Cleveland Browns t-shirt when this guy and his wife leaned into the aisle I was walking up.  He said "You poor thing - how do you do it?  Aren't Saturdays tough enough?"  There were so many ways I could have answered that question while LSU was rat-housing Vandy.  I just said "I can't stand football teams that score Touchdowns" and returned to my seat.

Reminds me of Gene Stallings' offense after they graduated 4.0 GPA Civil Engineering major QB Ed Hargett. Against Cinn. at Kyle field the Defense was so good that they created either the 5th or 6th turnover late in the game down 14-0 and people in the stands started yelling, "Leave the defense in!" The offense no longer had Hargett in the huddle telling everyone to forget the play sent in by the sidelines, he'd make the call at the LOS. They stunk it up after Hargett left.

@fy56 said:

I still have my shirt.

I wish I had that t-shirt back when I had season tickets to Vanderbilt Football.  One week, I wore a Vandy hat and a Cleveland Browns t-shirt when this guy and his wife leaned into the aisle I was walking up.  He said "You poor thing - how do you do it?  Aren't Saturdays tough enough?"  There were so many ways I could have answered that question while LSU was rat-housing Vandy.  I just said "I can't stand football teams that score Touchdowns" and returned to my seat.

@diehardbrownsfan1 said:

Haha "Free Watson"...never too young to be woke I guess. Good job dad!

@gumby73 said:

Yes! that's her.. thanks  LoL 

I'm no grammar god ? but, Is it worth it?.. Works for me 

Except it should be WAS it worth it?  The Watson deal is said and done.

IS it worth it implies a deal still in progress.

@canton-dawg said:

Yes, I remember the Preseason Championship ?? when we went 4-0 under the nefarious Hue Jackson.

Little did we know at the time, those would be the only games we would win all season.

I still have my shirt.

@texasag1969 said:

I call that winning the August Championship. When it doesn't work out at the end, just wait 'till next August and the trophy is ours again.??

Yes, I remember the Preseason Championship ?? when we went 4-0 under the nefarious Hue Jackson.

Little did we know at the time, those would be the only games we would win all season.

@westside-steve said:

How long can Andrew Berry keep the 69 Impala running without picks or money to pay for new parts? On the other hand lightning might strike with Jacoby or Dobbs.  The mirage of pre season...

WSS 

I call that winning the August Championship. When it doesn't work out at the end, just wait 'till next August and the trophy is ours again.??

@westside-steve said:

I thought the deal was too one-sided before we even found out the extent of a sexual predator side of the story.

But at least would have been a slightly better story than it is. You know the drill; if the cat had not stopped to shit it would have caught the mouse.

(By the way this is just about the last place in the league he wanted to go but he held his nose and took the money, not like he was speaking highly of Cleveland before so.)

WSS 

The bold is also the big picture here no one wants to talk about. Let's be real, if the situation Dutch described happened there's exactly a 0% he comes to Cleveland. Despite having 25 women accuse the dude of sexual violence we still had to pay the dude the most aggressive contract in NFL history. Once people forget about this, what's to say in 4 years he doesn't do it again? Especially if the train derails and we end up in a bad season or two, there's no reason to think the scumbag wouldn't do it again.

Nothing will ever make this all worth it. I get it-my dad just turned 64 years old and has been a Browns fan his whole life. Outside a small stretch in the 80's this team has been essentially the most irrelevant team in the NFL his entire adult life. For you older folks, I get it-I mean my avatar even suggests it and I'm only in my mid-30s. But there's gotta be a point where we realize this is just a game for enjoyment.

@texasag1969 said:

As many people who we have paid up front to come here and then been pure shit as players, you think we would have learned something. That is what made me skeptical of the deal before any of the rest of this got out. What is doubling my doubts is that it will be damn near two years since he started for an NFL team. However, counterbalancing that is the fact he is still very young in a position where players play effectively for a number of years. Let's just hope the ones around him who can build a winner are also here long enough for the plan to "mature" for the Browns.

No doubt. Still that's one reason people bet on football games. If I were a Watson supporter I might say that's good because it's 2 years since he's taking a beating on the field and should be fresh and strong and ready to play for many more years. (One of the potential upssides of Weeden) As for that window of opportunity that's what the pundits were saying last year and the year before that. Mice men or Cleveland Browns the best laid plans gang aft agley. 

How long can Andrew Berry keep the 69 Impala running without picks or money to pay for new parts? On the other hand lightning might strike with Jacoby or Dobbs.  The mirage of pre season...

I have to guess that the biggest red flag is Jimmy Haslam and his decision making track record.

WSS 

@westside-steve said:

I thought the deal was too one-sided before we even found out the extent of a sexual predator side of the story.

But at least would have been a slightly better story than it is. You know the drill; if the cat had not stopped to shit it would have caught the mouse.

(By the way this is just about the last place in the league he wanted to go but he held his nose and took the money, not like he was speaking highly of Cleveland before so.)

WSS 

As many people who we have paid up front to come here and then been pure shit as players, you think we would have learned something. That is what made me skeptical of the deal before any of the rest of this got out. What is doubling my doubts is that it will be damn near two years since he started for an NFL team. However, counterbalancing that is the fact he is still very young in a position where players play effectively for a number of years. Let's just hope the ones around him who can build a winner are also here long enough for the plan to "mature" for the Browns.

@dutch-oven said:

It would have been very interesting how the overall reaction would have been on this board if there was no sexual assault angle to this story.

How would people have reacted if the trade had been strictly "Watson - unhappy with Texans - finally has a new home, in Cleveland"? 

I thought the deal was too one-sided before we even found out the extent of a sexual predator side of the story.

But at least would have been a slightly better story than it is. You know the drill; if the cat had not stopped to shit it would have caught the mouse.

(By the way this is just about the last place in the league he wanted to go but he held his nose and took the money, not like he was speaking highly of Cleveland before so.)

WSS 

 I haven't decided if this is the proper place for this clip. Maybe not.

WSS