But that doesn't make for destroying our country or not.

Every single aspect of Real America is being ridiculed/attacked/undermined and legislated against

wherever possible.

   Our borders are flooded with hundreds of thousands of UNvetted ILLegal aliens. Perverting public education to

alienate American children from the teaching of their parents. Remind you of the "hitler youth" ? same principle.

Longterm ultimate, unbridled POWER and CONTROL requires conditioning the next generation to be like the left.

It's just history.

   So, to summarize:

biden vs Trump again - stakes are about America's survival as America.

Browns vs Bills in Detroit - stakes are about winning a game. (btw - huge advantage - which one, eh?)

both are crazy - but not like they should be in the same paragraph.

@westside-steve said:

Nobody knows what's going to happen in 2 years. Nobody would have thought Joe Biden was presidential material in the last handful of decades either. And he's not.

WSS 

Wow that is for sure !   The unbelievable two geezers for president of the United States of America  Round Two in 2024 ?  Really  ?  Are you kidding me  ?  April fools maybe ?  What are the odds of that ?   But by election day in November 2024 we might even see two different characters on stage for that one.  Care to imagine an equally crazy paring on that Heavyweight Matchup,  maybe the return of Bernie  versus  ????.    

~ But ~  it's only November 19, 2022 with an also unbelievable  Cleveland BROWNS  at  Buffalo Bills in Detroit,  Michigan because they got a snow cancelation in Buffalo the snow globe capital of North America. 

And good tickets still available...... i imagine...... because of a snow out in November.   It might be one hell of a game,  who knows ?  I wouldn't be surprised now.

GO BROWNS !   Why not.        

.......  edit add,  what thread is this anyway ?   This has been on unbelievable change of events,  I might have to copy & paste the end of this one on the BROWNS BOARD or maybe the Poli board again ....... who knows.    

@mjp28 said:

True.  He most definitely is a #2 guy, an errand boy type  not an electable prez guy.  But he might be able to screw up a few races for others.   

Nobody knows what's going to happen in 2 years. Nobody would have thought Joe Biden was presidential material in the last handful of decades either. And he's not.

WSS 

@calfoxwc said:

agreed. His problem is, he seems to have very, very tiny little balls, if he has any at all.

He won't do what needs to be done, he'll just play nice to the dems, they will laugh their asses off, and ruin everything

he tries to do, unless he let's them do whatever they want.

   He is NOT a LEADER. Find fault with Pres Trump all you want, but he WAS a leader, and did all those couple hundred of good/GREAT things for America.

He inspires no one, he's a follower. Of all the problems America has now, he won't work to fix any of them. Pence goes with the people in gov around him.

He is afraid of the deep corrupt state, and will never cross them. He's a coward when it comes to fixing anything regarding it.

Started off as a staunch democrat. then later a "republican". Democrats love him.

from wikipedia:

"As vice president, Pence defended debt- and deficit-spending as a measure to stimulate economic growth."

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   So, if he were pres, he would let the dems spend us into double the debt we have now.

He got an important VETO overruled by republicans when he was Indiana.

Pence will be everything most want him to be.

Nope. will not vote for him. Nice guy though.

True.  He most definitely is a #2 guy, an errand boy type  not an electable prez guy.  But he might be able to screw up a few races for others.   

@mjp28 said:

Just curious did anyone watch the MIKE PENCE town hall meeting that just ended at about 10:30 pm EDT ?

Mike Pence really did impress me, he's a well spoken intelligent person who is also very good at The Constitution and many other topics.

And a genuinely nice person.  I'm glad that I watched  100%  of it tonight. 

agreed. His problem is, he seems to have very, very tiny little balls, if he has any at all.

He won't do what needs to be done, he'll just play nice to the dems, they will laugh their asses off, and ruin everything

he tries to do, unless he let's them do whatever they want.

   He is NOT a LEADER. Find fault with Pres Trump all you want, but he WAS a leader, and did all those couple hundred of good/GREAT things for America.

He inspires no one, he's a follower. Of all the problems America has now, he won't work to fix any of them. Pence goes with the people in gov around him.

He is afraid of the deep corrupt state, and will never cross them. He's a coward when it comes to fixing anything regarding it.

Started off as a staunch democrat. then later a "republican". Democrats love him.

from wikipedia:

"As vice president, Pence defended debt- and deficit-spending as a measure to stimulate economic growth."

*********************************

   So, if he were pres, he would let the dems spend us into double the debt we have now.

He got an important VETO overruled by republicans when he was Indiana.

Pence will be everything most want him to be.

Nope. will not vote for him. Nice guy though.

@mjp28 said:

Just curious did anyone watch the MIKE PENCE town hall meeting that just ended at about 10:30 pm EDT ?

Nope... Milquetoast

@neo said:

Without saying a word about voter fraud, tell me, why was he not re-elected if he was that great?

It's the economy stupid. Unfortunately a game of musical chairs  when there was a crash because of the overreaction to covid and it came as The Perfect Storm for the election cycle. A few months earlier or a few months later could have made a huge difference, and probably should have. The economy had started rebounding like a mother fucker but it was a little too late for that particular Tuesday in November

Whether the exact reason for the economy taking a nosedive was sabotage, stupidity or just natural causes is up to speculation.

WSS

@mjp28 said:

Just curious did anyone watch the MIKE PENCE town hall meeting that just ended at about 10:30 pm EDT ?

Mike Pence really did impress me, he's a well spoken intelligent person who is also very good at The Constitution and many other topics.

And a genuinely nice person.  I'm glad that I watched  100%  of it tonight. 

If Pence and Liz Cheney happened to run on the same ticket for Prez, I would say the over and under would be around ~3% of the vote.

@mjp28 said:

Just curious did anyone watch the MIKE PENCE town hall meeting that just ended at about 10:30 pm EDT ?

Mike Pence really did impress me, he's a well spoken intelligent person who is also very good at The Constitution and many other topics.

And a genuinely nice person.  I'm glad that I watched  100%  of it tonight. 

Fuck Pence!... He's a RHINO traitor!

Mike Pence really did impress me, he's a well spoken intelligent person who is also very good at The Constitution and many other topics.

And a genuinely nice person.  I'm glad that I watched  100%  of it tonight. 

@neo said:

Without saying a word about voter fraud, tell me, why was he not re-elected if he was that great?

Simply put, it was because of dumbasses like you, Larry, Woody, cccunt, and a few others..

@calfoxwc said:

and yet, the TRUTH is,

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

now, try to make a list of the good/great things that obaMao or biden did that was FOR AMERICA.

Take  your time - but nobody has made a list because there isn't anything good/great to list.

Hoorta failed. tex failed. Neo failed  ...

many libs have lied, some have tried, but they all cried.

Biden is a hellish disaster for America.

Hey Cal,  I've been involved involved in politics since the 1970s really involved in the mid to late 1970s and early 1980s when both my brother  and  my cousin were in political races   including    succesful re-elections along with my neighbor across the street in two successful election and re-election for  6 year Municipal Court Judge races  he was also another brothers godfather and best man in my dad's wedding. 

Our family was also in election sign business we did the signs for all of those races and many dozens more for a few decades.  All kinds of inroads there for races in the Trumbull and Mahoning Counties in Ohio.  We've made a lot of political contacts and inroads going into the 2000s plus.

In 1984 I got a job in Boardman Ohio.    Since 1985 when I got my MBA and moved to Boardman I've been winding down a bit, after the 2000s even a bit more but have always had an interest in the political game. I've always been a Democrat in this formerly  heavy democratic area.....less so now,  some Republicans are actually getting in and occasionally winning some races.

I will cross the over and occasionally vote the man    -and-   I  still can talk across the aisle that's what makes a democracy work.  

Too bad especially since the past few decades that has NOT always worked and recently has virtually gone away.  For this democracy to heal again it better heal pretty darn quick for the good of this best country in the world .  

I'm glad we (you and I)   can have different political views  -but-  can talk about anything else that we want to.....with no problem.   I'm really hoping that the rest of the USA can come around too join us.  And, of course  .........

GO BROWNS,   naturally. 

@calfoxwc said:

now, try to make a list of the good/great things

Without saying a word about voter fraud, tell me, why was he not re-elected if he was that great?

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

now, try to make a list of the good/great things that obaMao or biden did that was FOR AMERICA.

Take  your time - but nobody has made a list because there isn't anything good/great to list.

Hoorta failed. tex failed. Neo failed  ...

many libs have lied, some have tried, but they all cried.

Biden is a hellish disaster for America.

........ TWITTER users  mockingly suggested Donald Trump debuted a new campaign slogan during his 2024 announcement on Tuesday night.

“In order to make America great and glorious again I’m announcing my candidacy for president of the United States,” Trump declared at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida.

Wags on social media joked that “Make America Great And Glorious Again” ― or MAGAGA ― would replace Trump’s “Make America Great Again” MAGA acronym.

“The hats’ll have to say MAGAGA — make America great and glorious again. If it makes you gag, get used to it,” cracked Harvard constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe.

“I tried to say #MAGAGA and activated my gag reflex,” actor and comedian John Fugelsang wrote........