@orion said:

At least they don't have the dummy Quarterback Whisperer around to totally screw him up.

True. I don't know whether to LMAO or cry like I did as a little feller watching the end of Old Yeller.

@sdbacker80 said:

Yep!  Only younger and impressionable candidates 

Agreed.  That being the case, 1 guy I could think of that would be worth bringing in for an interview (considering he has 2 QBs that were 1st round draft picks) is Clemson's Dabo Swinney.  He put Nick Saban and 4 consecutive #1 draft classes in check mate with Watson.  He also did it to an Ohio State team the week before. 

That said, if he has to undergo a lobotomy so that Depodesta has more football knowledge - that'll be a hard no too.

@sdbacker80 said:

Yep!  Only younger and impressionable candidates 

Kevin Stefanski was interviewed two years running for a head coach job.

Both interviews were with the Cleveland Browns. 

@dutch-oven said:

And on flip side, there isn't a chance in hell Sean Payton would put up with Moneyball telling him how to coach. 

Exactly!  They know this, which was why I've been saying this for weeks that there's no chance Payton wants to come here.  Why would he walk his all his football credentials and resume to the edge of a plank for a guy like Depodesta who knows far less about an NFL passing game than he does?

@dutch-oven said:

And on flip side, there isn't a chance in hell Sean Payton would put up with Moneyball telling him how to coach. 

Yep!  Only younger and impressionable candidates 

@flugel said:

Spot on.  That means they're not at all interested in Sean Payton for anyone thinking that far out of the box.

And on flip side, there isn't a chance in hell Sean Payton would put up with Moneyball telling him how to coach. 

@flugel said:

If they turn Watson into a bad QB, I could finally see Haslam replacing Depodesta and Berry with Cheech and Chong.

At least they don't have the dummy Quarterback Whisperer around to totally screw him up.

@dutch-oven said:

And this way we can really confirm that 2020 was an aberration. 

If they turn Watson into a bad QB, I could finally see Haslam replacing Depodesta and Berry with Cheech and Chong.

@orion said:

From what we've seen, he'll want someone who'll do it his way...DePodesta's way.  Haslam likes it that way.  So, that right there limits your pool.  We have a pretty smart, articulate coach that seems to be able to align with Berry and cope with the system.  He might be the best fit for the situation.  I don't know how much better a coach Haslam and DePo could land...but they could sure fuck it up

Spot on.  That means they're not at all interested in Sean Payton for anyone thinking that far out of the box.

@syd said:

honestly it all depends on next year to see how they all work together,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well see 

And this way we can really confirm that 2020 was an aberration. 

@orion said:

...just finished watching (and loudly listening) to Heroes.  Bowie and his band were capable of such incredible greatness....

ya they were a great band saw him a few times on his seriously midnight tour and last time nine inch nails opened for him

@syd said:

honestly

...just finished watching (and loudly listening) to Heroes.  Bowie and his band were capable of such incredible greatness....

@orion said:

From what we've seen, he'll want someone who'll do it his way...DePodesta's way.  Haslam likes it that way.  So, that right there limits your pool.  We have a pretty smart, articulate coach that seems to be able to align with Berry and cope with the system.  He might be the best fit for the situation.  I don't know how much better a coach Haslam and DePo could land...but they could sure fuck it up

honestly it all depends on next year to see how they all work together,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well see 

@syd said:

just not sure which direction haslem will go to for another head coach ?

From what we've seen, he'll want someone who'll do it his way...DePodesta's way.  Haslam likes it that way.  So, that right there limits your pool.  We have a pretty smart, articulate coach that seems to be able to align with Berry and cope with the system.  He might be the best fit for the situation.  I don't know how much better a coach Haslam and DePo could land...but they could sure fuck it up

@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:

ShitMyPantski is a vagina. He is resting and collecting a fat paycheck. 31 teams know he has nothing to do with the Browns and when he goes looking for a job all 31 teams will see.that his hands were tied by a jackoff.

ShitMyPantski won't be here for another contract.

but he will be here next year,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,commas,,,,,,,,,,,,,just not sure which direction haslem will go to for another head coach ? he hasn't tried a collage coach yet

@flugel said:

If you're old enough to have seen that game you know exactly what I'm talking about.

I watched it on what they used to call the color tv.   And 2 huge doors mysteriously opened allowing wind to blow into the field whenever San Diego was on that end of the field.  

@orion said:

Dutch, I've watched countless snowy, windy Patriots games on TV with Brady at QB.  He was able to pass his team to victory every time.  

Snowy doesn't necessarily mean wind chills of 15 below zero off the lake.  I remember 1 year the SD Chargers had the best passing offense in the NFL with Dan Fouts.  They went and played a playoff game at Cincy with wind chills well below zero; and their passing game flatlined because of it.  If you're old enough to have seen that game you know exactly what I'm talking about.

When you think about the career of Aaron Rodgers, the only time he won a Super Bowl was when the Packers were a Wild Card team that won all their playoff games on the road.  I think the only chilly game they had to win was at Chicago in the NFC Championship Game against a very rattled Jay Cutler (who got injured before halftime and never returned to the game when a lot of people questioned his toughness).  

NE is owned by Robert Kraft and the Browns are owned by Jimmy Haslam. Which guy do you trust to find the right leadership for his football team?  A lot of people forget Brady didn't even start as a rookie; but there was a great HC that understood what needed to go into his development process for success ahead.  Haslam doesn't have anything like this in place.

@orion said:

Look, I don't know what to say here.  Of course I don't like the losing.  But this team was not about this year.  We weren't gonna have our starting QB until the season was almost over.  Do I like that we're the 5th best running team in the league?  Absolutely.  Do I like that we're always 20 somethingth in passing.  Absolutely not!  I've always felt that passing is the most important part of the game.  Am I kinda' happy to hear that the brain-trust wants to be able to pass the ball?  Well, of course.

The Browns went 4-7 this season not because Jacoby Brissett had to start 11 games (they averaged just a click under 24 points a game with him as the starter) but because the defense and special teams repeatedly let the team down. Brisset was a top 10 rated QB.

But yes, I agree, passing the ball well is important. Absolutely you need a top tier passing attack, hence why the Browns moved on from Mayfield to Watson. Also, the Browns run the ball plenty, as does Chubb. I'm not one of those guys who think the Browns should run Chubb into the ground by giving him the ball 25-30 times a game.

But their in-game decisions leave A TON to be desired. The weather is awful to pass in, you have a pivotal 3rd and 2 and 4th and 2, and Watson is forced to throw to DPJ on at out pattern to the sideline 15 yards downfield? Seriously? 

@dutch-oven said:

Well enjoy that table of one at the "I'm Enjoying the Direction the Browns Braintrust Is Taking the Franchise" end of the season dinner. ?

I'll have the steak tips.     

@syd said:

hey just as long as everyone is happy 

As long as the goats don't talk Or blame Watson for the transgressions

@orion said:

Dutch, I've watched countless snowy, windy Patriots games on TV with Brady at QB.  He was able to pass his team to victory every time.  

Well enjoy that table of one at the "I'm Enjoying the Direction the Browns Braintrust Is Taking the Franchise" end of the season dinner. ?