@diehardbrownsfan1 said:

Not even close.  We never invaded North Vietnam.  We supposedly went to help South Vietnam from being taken over.  But anti war protests and a crooked South Vietnamese government doomed us.  We left in 1973 and within two years the North took over the south.  Like Afghanistan, who also were crooked.  

Yes. Thanks!

@fy56 said:

There are more Americans than Vietnamese. Did we not fight the same war in Vietnam as the Russians are in Ukraine? We lost.

Giving up some land to Russia would possibly end it?  I don't think so.

Despite the breakup of the Soviet Union, Russia didn't merely say "bye, bye Ukraine, have a nice country" eventually regaining control of the Ukraine had always been Putins main objective. He now has concocted enough "reasons" to make the move.

Putin sent 200K troops into Ukraine confident of taking control of the government in a matter of days.

We are now into year 2.

Not even close.  We never invaded North Vietnam.  We supposedly went to help South Vietnam from being taken over.  But anti war protests and a crooked South Vietnamese government doomed us.  We left in 1973 and within two years the North took over the south.  Like Afghanistan, who also were crooked.  

Giving up some land to Russia would possibly end it?  I don't think so.

Despite the breakup of the Soviet Union, Russia didn't merely say "bye, bye Ukraine, have a nice country" eventually regaining control of the Ukraine had always been Putins main objective. He now has concocted enough "reasons" to make the move.

Putin sent 200K troops into Ukraine confident of taking control of the government in a matter of days.

We are now into year 2.

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2023/03/18/as-chinas-blue-water-navy-continues-massive-expansion-us-navy-secretary-says-climate-is-his-top-priority-n718486

goodbye Japan, Taiwan, Philippines.......etc etc etc....

not kidding here.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/513574-chinas-expansionism-enters-dangerous-phase/

this corrupt American gov is on track to encourage WWIII.

@axe said:

Who thinks Russia stops in Ukraine ?

Thank you ! I don't believe anybody really does think they stop at Ukraine. Putin wants the soviet empire back, as his legacy.

wSS

having to fight a war, fought by Western soldiers.....

so, surrendering would have stopped all the rape, torture, murder, genocide from happening?

no.

Iraqis "surrendered" to an evil government. Did the rape, torture, murder stop? NO.

In this world, if a nation will not fight for principles, they will be raped, tortured, murdered by those

with no principles.

   Ignoring that, like the U.S. did before WWI, and WWII, let those world wars grow into gigantic proportions, until

we had no choice but to intervene.

  But the cost was tragically high. So sad.

sadly, those who have left Ukraine as refugees are the only winners here