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@syd said:

besides DTR have they announced the starting line up for tommorows game?

 Best we can go off of, is the 2 unofficial depth charts/

 benching the 1's, per both HC's & the injured not suiting up..

Browns- https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-announce-unofficial-depth-chart-for-3rd-preseason-game-vs-eagles

Eagles- https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/depth-chart Mariota was named to start

concerns? 

It's time we get Jakeem Grant or Jaelon Darden on some PR/WR reps. We need their speed. Losing Goodwin is a bummer

Guard play (Dunn/Martin/Gossett) ? been rough to watch since losing Forbes. N. Harris & Wypler/ under-size'd to play G

Can't image Obo, Akins or Mcleod seeing many reps

Get out of here clean ! (healthy)

@kvoethe said:

According to Philly Inquirer's E.J. Smith, Watson threw three interceptions in the team's joint training camp practices with the Philadelphia Eagles. All three interceptions were to Eagles safety Reed Blankenship

Reports claim Watson has been sacked multiple times and that the Eagles' defense "put on a show" against the Browns in joint practices. 

Watson needs to rebound if the Browns are going to do anything this season.

 The defense prepares to take on the Browns' offense in a 7-on-7 session, and Deshaun Watson starts off hot. The veteran striped a throw to tight end Jordan Akins on a double move to the back left corner of the end zone, and sandwiched a pair of other completions with a toss to Cedric Tillman on a slot fade in the same spot

edit: this was taken from the eagles web page

Reports claim Watson has been sacked multiple times and that the Eagles' defense "put on a show" against the Browns in joint practices. 

Watson needs to rebound if the Browns are going to do anything this season.

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-training-camp-practice-notes-august-15

Off Wednesday.. Game Day Thursday 7:30 pm

Eagles took some ‘cheap shots’ at Deshaun Watson and other Browns on Day 2, guard Joel Bitonio says

• Published: Aug. 15, 2023, 5:36 p.m.

By 

• Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

 

PHILADELPHIA — The Super Bowl runner-up Eagles came out an imposed their will on the Browns on Day 2 of their joint practices, but Joel Bitonio says they went too far, taking ‘cheap shots’ on both sides of the ball at times.

Specifically, he was miffed that the Eagles played it too fast and loose with Deshaun Watson, with defensive end Josh Sweat at one point knocking the ball out of his hand on a would-be strip-sack.

 

 

‘You’re not supposed to that,” Bitonio said.

 

 

The practice, conducted in 89-degree heat with a “feels-like” temperature of 96 degrees, also got chippy about a half hour into the session when safety Reed Blankenship — who picked off two Watson passes on Tuesday and one on Monday — ran over running back Demetric Felton when returning his first interception on a ball tipped by linebacker Zach Cunningham, and a scuffle ensued.

 

 

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Man-mountain Dawand Jones (6-8, 374) got involved in some pushing and shoving to defend his teammates, and after players from both teams joined the scrum, it was quickly broken up.

 

 

“We’re going into this week trying to get better in practice and work and sometimes there are some cheap shots and things like that where you want to defend yourself,” Bitonio said. “I don’t know the exact situation, but there were a couple shots today where we’re trying to make sure we’re getting the best out of practice and not fighting. But it was just a little heated second day. It always gets a little bit more fired up.”

 

 

Kevin Stefanski, who ran clean joint practices with the Eagles last year in Cleveland and hoped to do it again, intervened and calmed things down

 

 

“We don’t want to fight out here,” Bitonio said. “We want to get better and when two teams are competing, things are going to get fired up. So it happens. But coach tried to calm us down and when he has the offense and their defense, we try and control those situations.

 

 

Bitonio said he felt the tempers flaring before the scuffle ensued.

 

“Oh yeah,” he said. “I mean that’s why you do two days because three days it’d be a blood bath the last day, so even two days gets a little bit chippy the second day. You go back, you watch the film, ‘you’re like, oh, we’ve got to do this better, or they got to do this better’ and the next day’s going to be a little bit more ramped up.”

 

 

More so than the fight, Bitonio was miffed that the Eagles broke the rules and touched his unsuspecting quarterback.

 

 

“I mean it’s just in our practice, you protect the quarterback,” he said. “You don’t want to come close to the quarterback, you don’t want to take cheap shots, things like that where there might’ve been a couple of questionable plays both ways today.”

 

 

Myles Garrett, who participated only in individual drills because of his foot injury from Monday,

 

 

“I didn’t see cheap shots myself,” Garrett said. “I’m not saying that they didn’t happen, but I didn’t see any. I saw there were some skirmishes on the offensive field, so check in and I know they’ll be better and I know the older guys, they have a lot of vets that will help them continue to practice the right way and have good habits.

 

 

“We’ll do the same on our side. Fights not going to start from just one side doing anything. It takes a little bit from both, so we both need to improve. We’ll be able to get out here and get good work.”

 

 

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Despite the Eagles defense beating the Browns offense on Tuesday — including the two interceptions by Blankenship of Watson — Bitonio saw progress from the offense. Blankenship’s second pick came in the back of the end zone on a pass intended for tight end Jordan Akins. Cornerback Zech McPhearson also got his hands on a Watson pass intended for Donovan Peoples-Jones in the end zone, but was out of bounds.

 

 

“The last two-minute period today, they obviously got the best of us, but I think there was some growth,” Bitonio said. “Some guys stepped up today for us. You get a feel against different rushers because in practice I’m going against a couple guys a day here. So you feel some different rushes, you feel some different techniques. They have one of the better D lines in the league, maybe some say the best. We have a pretty good D line too, so it’s good to go out there and battle and test out some of your techniques.”

 

 

Bitonio isn’t overly alarmed about the Browns struggling in the red zone both here and at home, except for one or two days when they dominated.

 

“We’re working through it,” he said. “Our defense sees the concepts that we’re running in practice, so they saw throughout OTAs, they saw throughout minicamp, we have some good players on defense, so they find some things.

 

 

“Today we didn’t convert as much as we wanted, but it’s stuff we’re working through. You want to see your defense compete early in camp because they usually have a step up on the offense. But I’m not concerned at this moment about it.”

 

 

The Browns were also without right tackle Jack Conklin, who’s in the concussion protocol, and receiver Elijah Moore, who was limited to individual drills because of his rib injury. The Browns without Moore would be like the Eagles without A.J. Brown or Devonta Smith.

 

 

“He’s going to be one of our, I want to say Queen on the chess board, they can move everywhere,” Bitonio said. “They want to get him the ball. They realize he’s an explosive player. He’s played some running back in his past and I think they want to use our weapons. Whatever our strengths are, they want to use it and he’s a good complement to Amari (Cooper), to David (Njoku), to (Donovan Peoples-Jone), to Nick (Chubb), so it’s going to be good. I know he hasn’t been out there. It’d been nice to see him out there the last couple of days, but we’ll get him healthy for Week One.”

 

The starters won’t have to worry about tempers flaring during the game against then Eagles here Thursday night. Stefanski will rest his starters and play only backups.

@sdbacker80 said:

found this…

https://sports.yahoo.com/eagles-training-camp-observations-ups-000420476.html
 

Looks like our Dline played well

This was the area of the defense that needed the most improvement; so that's really good news.

@flugel said:

Appreciate the info about the injuries Gumbs.  It sounds like Conklin has a concussion, which I'm guessing shouldn't keep him out of the line-up on opening day.  I don't think he needs to prove anything in either of these last 2 pre-season games.  

The practices with Philly are a necessary evil. To your point Gumbs - they got in some good work today.  I wonder how well the team matched up with Philly today.   What went well?  What needs work?  The usual questions we want answers to this time of year.  I'd love to know how Wills did...  

found this…

https://sports.yahoo.com/eagles-training-camp-observations-ups-000420476.html
 

Looks like our Dline played well

@gumby73 said:

Thanks!

Talked with multiple sources who said both Garrett and Ward will be fine. One source said Garrett got nicked in the back of the leg and going in was precautionary

looking at Cabot's short video.. (whom reports foot) got my interest.. It looks like Garrett's left foot or leg this time.. Not on his same Pro bowl toe injury on his right foot..   either way we need that stud from Week 1 and on ! Cabot also reported Hudson went in for Conklin at RT.. They must feel Hudson is still ahead of Jones in that scenario. 

Sounds like we got some good work out of today

Appreciate the info about the injuries Gumbs.  It sounds like Conklin has a concussion, which I'm guessing shouldn't keep him out of the line-up on opening day.  I don't think he needs to prove anything in either of these last 2 pre-season games.  

The practices with Philly are a necessary evil. To your point Gumbs - they got in some good work today.  I wonder how well the team matched up with Philly today.   What went well?  What needs work?  The usual questions we want answers to this time of year.  I'd love to know how Wills did...  

@gumby73 said:

Thanks!

Talked with multiple sources who said both Garrett and Ward will be fine. One source said Garrett got nicked in the back of the leg and going in was precautionary

looking at Cabot's short video.. (whom reports foot) got my interest.. It looks like Garrett's left foot or leg this time.. Not on his same Pro bowl toe injury on his right foot..   either way we need that stud from Week 1 and on ! Cabot also reported Hudson went in for Conklin at RT.. They must feel Hudson is still ahead of Jones in that scenario. 

Sounds like we got some good work out of today

i wish these practices were televised.But hey we get to see the back of the roster televised Thursday night which is important also

@syd said:

alot of good info there MR. Gumby and thank you

Thanks!

Talked with multiple sources who said both Garrett and Ward will be fine. One source said Garrett got nicked in the back of the leg and going in was precautionary

looking at Cabot's short video.. (whom reports foot) got my interest.. It looks like Garrett's left foot or leg this time.. Not on his same Pro bowl toe injury on his right foot..   either way we need that stud from Week 1 and on ! Cabot also reported Hudson went in for Conklin at RT.. They must feel Hudson is still ahead of Jones in that scenario. 

Sounds like we got some good work out of today

edit- @flugel  Wills likely accounted for some of these DE sacks.. the better daily reports are rolling in late  

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/8/14/23832306/cleveland-browns-philadelphia-eagles-joint-practices

@gumby73 said:

Most of these updates come from MKC, which her story will lock.. these won't, with same details on Eagles Day 1

 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/8/14/23832185/browns-injuries-myles-garrett-jack-conklin-eagles-joint-practice

alot of good info there MR. Gumby and thank you

@gumby73 said:

Most of these updates come from MKC, which her story will lock.. these won't, with same details on Eagles Day 1

 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/8/14/23832185/browns-injuries-myles-garrett-jack-conklin-eagles-joint-practice

well that is good news. happy to hear all 3 are going to be fine. I hear the practice was very intense with both D'S getting after the QB.Reports were that our D was dominating their o line and making life difficult for hurts

 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/8/14/23832185/browns-injuries-myles-garrett-jack-conklin-eagles-joint-practice

@gumby73 said:

Dewand Jones is not moving from right tackle to left tackle, according to Stefanski, "so please stop asking. Thank you." 

LOL

@gumby73 said:

Good Monday morning !

Two remaining Preseason games left. How bout we end this Camp, with both SB opponents from last seasons SB on the Browns schedule..

This week the Browns have 2 inter-squad practices where the Philly Eagles fly.. Good to see Monday & Tuesdays updates should come after working hours, with scrimmage start times of 5 PM. Thursday's game is on NFL Network at 7:30 PM.

    https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-browns-joint-practices-spadaro-add-spice-to-preseason

Not sure if NFL network has access? but, Browns Twitter & Cleveland.com should have up to the minute updates from Twitter (X) while practice is live for real ? junkies.. 

Controlled practices are hopes of players remaining upright ?  Yeah, Lets do That !   

They'll probably get better/more extensive evaluations from the live scrimmages with Philly than the game on Thursday. They'll have more opportunity to see the 1's vrs 1's and 2's vrs 2's.  Can't wait to hear how they do... Hopefully there aren't any serious injuries.  Most of the teams do these so it isn't like the Browns and Eagles are inventing anything for those worrying about the injuries...   

Two remaining Preseason games left. How bout we end this Camp, with both SB opponents from last seasons SB on the Browns schedule..

This week the Browns have 2 inter-squad practices where the Philly Eagles fly.. Good to see Monday & Tuesdays updates should come after working hours, with scrimmage start times of 5 PM. Thursday's game is on NFL Network at 7:30 PM.

    https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-browns-joint-practices-spadaro-add-spice-to-preseason

Not sure if NFL network has access? but, Browns Twitter & Cleveland.com should have up to the minute updates from Twitter (X) while practice is live for real ? junkies.. 

Controlled practices are hopes of players remaining upright ?  Yeah, Lets do That !   

Post above ^^ will contain unofficial depth charts for both teams. ^^

* DT Shelby Harris can be added. While DT  Michael Dwumfour was waived to make room.

Meanwhile, We can't have a Training Camp topic without a new look tour of Training Camp thanks to DBN Poko Traveler. Thanks Chris !

Kill some time & Enjoy !

Offense

PSG1 Browns 21   Jets  16  F       Seeing Joe Thomas induction to HOF, off my bucket list !  Great time !

Browns back to work Sunday,

Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said before Sunday's practice.

"We're still [doing] installation, so we're just getting out of our installation on offense, defense, and special teams," "So [defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz is] putting in new blitzes, we're putting in new couple new runs, passes, those type of things. ... And again, that first Hall of Fame game comes at you fast. ... So just continuing to teach and make sure that we're not skipping any steps."

This week will be about as close to a "normal" week of training camp as the Browns will have this month. They are scheduled to practice in front of the fans Sunday, Monday and Wednesday, with their lone home preseason game at 7:30 p.m. Friday against the Washington Commanders.

** Stefanski acknowledged Sunday he's already got an idea of how the quarterback rotation will work for Friday's preseason game against the Commanders. However, that will not be disclosed to the public any earlier than he absolutely has to divulge it.

• Superheroes – August 7, practice begins today at 2 pm

@dutch-oven said:

Listening to 92.3 on the way to work this morning, and apparently Myles was just abusing Jed Wills all day long.

Same here.

 Andrew Spayde reviews Day 9 of Browns Training Camp. Let’s think some thoughts.

My primary takeaway from the first nine days of camp, and it was driven home on Tuesday in Berea, is that the defense, after lagging behind in early work, has caught and exceeded the offense. Myles Garrett and the pass rush, combined with a secondary that is rounding into shape, have been wrecking the passing offense often enough that is starting to cause concerns about the state of the offense. Part of this is the natural push and pull of training camp when each unit is on a different schedule to be ready for the regular season.(include given off day) Given the enormous pressure on the offense, however, it is worrying to see that side of the ball struggle to move the ball against the defense or fail to put the ball in the end zone in red zone drills.(Sat. & Tues.)

For now, we will save our worrying until at least the joint practices against the Eagles.

There's been a swing since Goodwin (in OTA's) & Coop went out 4 days in TC. Coop's now back. TE Jordan Akins has been out 4 straight days. TE Harrison Bryant has missed 2 straight.(doubt neither play Jets) We're back to Schwartz as our speed WR. WR Jaelon Darden has missed the last 2 camp days ?  Tillman, Bell, Baldwin ? w/Schwartz.. interested to see if even Jakeem Grant plays WR/returner, coming off his last season injury?  Don't hold the ball to long Mon--d !

@dutch-oven said:

Listening to 92.3 on the way to work this morning, and apparently Myles was just abusing Jed Wills all day long.

"If Myles played for another team, we'd be in big trouble"

Myles is on his way to Canton, but Wills is a first rounder from Alabama. He shouldn't be getting abused by anyone by now. 

Wills has been my biggest worry on the offense.  That's why we're going to have to assign a babysitting TE to line up to his left.  I know it sounds crazy but I'd like to see us line-up Dawand Jones to the left of Wills as a TE that mostly blocks.   Again, the former high school basketball star at 6'8" prolly developed good hands catching passes in traffic as a big man.  He also probably has a big wing span just in case we dare to ever use him like NE used Mike Vrable in certain offensive packages/situations.