On the matter of the article in the OP, there’s an overload of information in political based media. And plenty of outrage porn. I sorta suspect that some of it leads to a sense of helplessness. 

When you get right down to it, our role in the government, if we choose to participate in it, is to either participate by voting, joining it, or overthrowing it. 

Overthrowing the government or running for office sounds like a lotta work, and l think it’s safe to say a lot of us aren’t doing that, but we still got voting. Which is cool, but we can only vote for certain people.

l’ve been hearing about John Fetterman lately. He’s a senator from Pennsylvania. I don’t live there and cannot vote for him. I have little use for information about John Fetterman.

But the media is full of these political figure villain types, most of whom l can’t vote for. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hunter Biden’s laptop, etc.

I get the desire to “stay informed”, a reasoning l’ve heard before for keeping up on politics, but for me l have to filter that information based on who or what l can vote for, and l’m happy to have a peripheral awareness of the rest. 

free welfare for illegals (buying millions of votes in the near future)

@westside-steve said:

Okay I see where you were going. Yes probably overreach to say that they wanted to get the fuck out. 

My apologies.

WSS

Apology accepted 

@vambo said:

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. And 51% say that the US has already done enough to help Ukraine while 48% say it should do more. A poll conducted in the early days of the Russian invasion in late February 2022 found 62% who felt the US should have been doing more.

That's true but what I said was they wanted to get the fuck out. Not just stop any further involvement.

WSS

CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics

Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding. And 51% say that the US has already done enough to help Ukraine while 48% say it should do more. A poll conducted in the early days of the Russian invasion in late February 2022 found 62% who felt the US should have been doing more.

@mld-woody said:

Last attempt here Steve, your first post didn't say "support is waning". It didn't say "people want to spend less on it". It didn't say any of that. It said "most Americans want to get the hell out". That's not true. You haven't provided any proof otherwise. 

Are you following along at all yet? Or still just typical Steve-ing?

Okay I see where you were going. Yes probably overreach to say that they wanted to get the fuck out. Even though they should. But it's clear they don't want to up the ante like you and your boy.

My apologies.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

No, General Woodpecker  I claim victory because I posted an article three or four months more recent than yours that proves that public support for your little war is waning.

??

WSS

Last attempt here Steve, your first post didn't say "support is waning". It didn't say "people want to spend less on it". It didn't say any of that. It said "most Americans want to get the hell out". That's not true. You haven't provided any proof otherwise. 

Are you following along at all yet? Or still just typical Steve-ing?

@westside-steve said:

No, General Woodpecker  I claim victory because I posted an article three or four months more recent than yours that proves that public support for your little war is waning.

??

WSS

You just busted our little engineer’s ego.

@mld-woody said:

Steve, you were wrong. That's it. 

What you said in your original post was wrong, I provided a poll proving it wrong, and you provided a poll talking about something different that doesn't prove your original point correct. 

I'm not sure why you aren't following along. 

I mean, it's cuz you're typical Steve-ing the hell out of this, with a plan to continue to respond with nonsense, avoiding the point laid out above, until I eventually stop wasting my time and you can claim victory ... but still. Damn. Sad. 

No, General Woodpecker  I claim victory because I posted an article three or four months more recent than yours that proves that public support for your little war is waning.

??

WSS

Most Americans oppose Congress authorizing more funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia, according to an August CNN poll conducted by SSRS.

Overall, 55% say the US Congress should not authorize additional funding to support Ukraine vs. 45% who say Congress should authorize such funding.

@mld-woody said:

Well at least we know which think tank provides your opinions...

You've also shown yet again, along with others, you have no idea what "extreme left wing" even means...

In your opinion.

@westside-steve said:

No doubt public support for wasting money to protect those who launder your candidates money was stronger, thanks to the lies of the Democrat Party and the compromised left wing news media. As you keep reminding everyone things change. But feel free to send your own money. It's probably tax deductible in this era of bidenomics.

Patience is a rare commodity in the United States. Few people supported the war in Vietnam till the bloody end.

WSS

Steve, you were wrong. That's it. 

What you said in your original post was wrong, I provided a poll proving it wrong, and you provided a poll talking about something different that doesn't prove your original point correct. 

I'm not sure why you aren't following along. 

I mean, it's cuz you're typical Steve-ing the hell out of this, with a plan to continue to respond with nonsense, avoiding the point laid out above, until I eventually stop wasting my time and you can claim victory ... but still. Damn. Sad. 

@diehardbrownsfan1 said:

That's your extremely leftwing opinion.

Well at least we know which think tank provides your opinions...

You've also shown yet again, along with others, you have no idea what "extreme left wing" even means...

When Democracy Goes Wrong - Michael Knowles Speaks at UC Santa Cruz

@mld-woody said:

No, that's not what you said. You said this

"And a majority of Americans want to get the fuck out of Ukraine as opposed to the guy you voted into office"

And no, that's not what I said in response 

If you're just going to make shit up after your first post then why even make the first post? What you said in that first post is wrong. End of story. But I imagine you'll continue to dig your heels in and typical Steve some insult, some words in my mouth, some anything to try and take this off course...

.... every damn time

You never fail to find a way to take stupid to a whole other level... Congrats !

@mld-woody said:

- a typical Steve post with a comment that has nothing to do with what he originally posted. Why? Because he was immediately proved wrong and wants to change the subject. 

- opposing more aid isn't the same as "getting the hell out of Ukraine". You got this wrong. 

Actually typical would be you changing the subject and then bitching about somebody else not referring directly to the original topic.

Actually bitching is typical Woody. Regardless of what it's about.

WSS

@mld-woody said:

From a conservative think tank... 

Preserves federalism.... "The system fairly represents the voters". But it doesn't. Many votes are worthless. 

Encourages coalition building... "A president has to represent everyone". Again, he doesn't. A very red, rural state isn't going to get either candidate to care about it. Large cities are where people are. People vote. Not acres of land. And states / cities can have their own laws still.

The last three are all basically the same point. If some many votes don't matter then there's no need to cheat, or recount, etc. Of course, that didn't stop Trump from challenging everything. Or conservatives from calling every election fraudulent. So clearly, if conservatives think the current system is full of fraud they can't turn around and say the current system prevents fraud....

That's your extremely leftwing opinion.

I'd believe the majority wouldn't give another dime either, especially if they were transparent about what the money was actually going to.

Strange to hear from people that were panicky about Trump having keys to the nukes or him starting wars yet they have no problem with senile Biden poking Russia.

@mld-woody said:

No, that's not what you said. You said this

"And a majority of Americans want to get the fuck out of Ukraine as opposed to the guy you voted into office"

And no, that's not what I said in response 

If you're just going to make shit up after your first post then why even make the first post? What you said in that first post is wrong. End of story. But I imagine you'll continue to dig your heels in and typical Steve some insult, some words in my mouth, some anything to try and take this off course...

.... every damn time

No doubt public support for wasting money to protect those who launder your candidates money was stronger, thanks to the lies of the Democrat Party and the compromised left wing news media. As you keep reminding everyone things change. But feel free to send your own money. It's probably tax deductible in this era of bidenomics.

Patience is a rare commodity in the United States. Few people supported the war in Vietnam till the bloody end.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

You made a post saying that America was gung ho to give every last nickel to ukraine. Not exactly but at least a lot more. I said they're not. I gave you a CNN article that said they weren't. And it wasn't from June or July.

I'm just saying people are getting sick of it. If you and the rest of the Biden cult members don't agree then sign right up.

WSS

No, that's not what you said. You said this

"And a majority of Americans want to get the fuck out of Ukraine as opposed to the guy you voted into office"

And no, that's not what I said in response 

If you're just going to make shit up after your first post then why even make the first post? What you said in that first post is wrong. End of story. But I imagine you'll continue to dig your heels in and typical Steve some insult, some words in my mouth, some anything to try and take this off course...

.... every damn time

@mld-woody said:

- a typical Steve post with a comment that has nothing to do with what he originally posted. Why? Because he was immediately proved wrong and wants to change the subject. 

- opposing more aid isn't the same as "getting the hell out of Ukraine". You got this wrong. 

You made a post saying that America was gung ho to give every last nickel to ukraine. Not exactly but at least a lot more. I said they're not. I gave you a CNN article that said they weren't. And it wasn't from June or July.

I'm just saying people are getting sick of it. If you and the rest of the Biden cult members don't agree then sign right up.

WSS

@westside-steve said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

So good time for you to join the Army right?

WSS

- a typical Steve post with a comment that has nothing to do with what he originally posted. Why? Because he was immediately proved wrong and wants to change the subject. 

- opposing more aid isn't the same as "getting the hell out of Ukraine". You got this wrong. 

@diehardbrownsfan1 said:

The Benefits | The Heritage Foundation

From a conservative think tank... 

Preserves federalism.... "The system fairly represents the voters". But it doesn't. Many votes are worthless. 

Encourages coalition building... "A president has to represent everyone". Again, he doesn't. A very red, rural state isn't going to get either candidate to care about it. Large cities are where people are. People vote. Not acres of land. And states / cities can have their own laws still.

The last three are all basically the same point. If some many votes don't matter then there's no need to cheat, or recount, etc. Of course, that didn't stop Trump from challenging everything. Or conservatives from calling every election fraudulent. So clearly, if conservatives think the current system is full of fraud they can't turn around and say the current system prevents fraud....

@mld-woody said:

Oh hey, that's wrong... shocker

https://www.reuters.com/world/most-americans-support-us-arming-ukraine-reutersipsos-2023-06-28/

Eighty-one percent of Democrats, 56% of Republicans and 57% of independents favor supplying U.S. weapons to Ukraine, according to the latest poll.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html

So good time for you to join the Army right?

WSS