@tiamat63 said:

And sideline announcers are basically

...well this one was saying that Tillman has got to flatten that route out.  Now, I couldn't see the game because it was on amazon...but I'm pretty sure that it was a pass into the end zone.

@orion said:

...but it's not just me sayin' that.  The sidelines announcer said it during the game (Deron Cherry?).  And I read it in someone's article a couple of weeks ago.  

 Oh shit, an article? Well fuck me...  my bad.

 Look man, you know as well as I do, most of what you read from the wanna-be sports media writing groups, Dawgs By Nature, Dawg Pound Daily, etc etc.... are watered down nonsense that lacks attention to detail.  And sideline announcers are basically cramming homework during the week that way they at least have some understanding as to the games and personnel they have to announce for.    Which means you're going to get cosmetic and, if you're lucky, maybe some depth to the commentary.  Otherwise they just watch ESPN and take a couple notes.

 Would any of these sources say Larry Fitzgerald was "bad route runner"?  HELL No...  so why would we say the same of a WR who plays a similar position and style?   Corey Coleman was a bad route runner.  Antonio Callaway was a bad route runner.  Anthony Schwartz was a non-existent level route runner.

 That ain't Ceddy.   Just because we don't see significant separation like you would have with "smaller" receivers, doesn't mean he ain't getting it done.  

@tiamat63 said:

saying that Tillman "isn't a good route technician" just comes across as sloppy bubs.

...but it's not just me sayin' that.  The sidelines announcer said it during the game (Deron Cherry?).  And I read it in someone's article a couple of weeks ago.  

@tiamat63 said:

I think you need to keep a few things in proper perspective. 

- Tillman is a mid round rookie on a team that has gone through 4 QB's now.

- He only started getting meaningful targets the last 6-8 games, depending on how you view meaningful.

- He has been playing a more classic 'X' receiver roll, not all that unlike DK Metcalf.   However, unlike Metcalf, he isn't some physical freak of nature.   But his style of game, contested catches in tight spaces and creating separation off physicality and contact, is in that same mold.   You basically play your game away from him until you draw those 1 on 1's, force the issue, and make a defense double him.   

- To further that point, DK averages just under 5 catches per game is entire career and a notch over 1k per year. 

- We simply lack the consistent QB play to have made him a more effective player his first season. But also having a coaching staff who has slowly grown to the adjustment of better using his skill set, being that we've had a handful of receivers the last season who vary pretty significantly from Ceddy.   Maybe save for DPJ, who was shipped off in favor of him.  

 When you take into account he's a 4.6 runner who is a taller 6'3 type with longer strides and a much higher center of gravity which increases the need for hip sink and shoulder control,  saying that Tillman "isn't a good route technician" just comes across as sloppy bubs.   

edit: To bullet point this.  I don't think the raw talent of the WR room is the problem.  It's health, experience and getting our QB situation settled.

Good points! I like the edit; and agree that adjusting to 4 different QBs during a rookie season with a limited volume of reps to date requires some patience throughout the learning.  1 thing I love - is the lad can block and bully some DBs.  He also looked pretty good catching the ball a week or 2 ago.

@orion said:

Tillman not being a good route runner and thus only getting 1 or 2 catches a game...we're weak at WR.  

I think you need to keep a few things in proper perspective. 

- Tillman is a mid round rookie on a team that has gone through 4 QB's now.

- He only started getting meaningful targets the last 6-8 games, depending on how you view meaningful.

- He has been playing a more classic 'X' receiver roll, not all that unlike DK Metcalf.   However, unlike Metcalf, he isn't some physical freak of nature.   But his style of game, contested catches in tight spaces and creating separation off physicality and contact, is in that same mold.   You basically play your game away from him until you draw those 1 on 1's, force the issue, and make a defense double him.   

- To further that point, DK averages just under 5 catches per game is entire career and a notch over 1k per year. 

- We simply lack the consistent QB play to have made him a more effective player his first season. But also having a coaching staff who has slowly grown to the adjustment of better using his skill set, being that we've had a handful of receivers the last season who vary pretty significantly from Ceddy.   Maybe save for DPJ, who was shipped off in favor of him.  

 When you take into account he's a 4.6 runner who is a taller 6'3 type with longer strides and a much higher center of gravity which increases the need for hip sink and shoulder control,  saying that Tillman "isn't a good route technician" just comes across as sloppy bubs.   

edit: To bullet point this.  I don't think the raw talent of the WR room is the problem.  It's health, experience and getting our QB situation settled.

@dutch-oven said:

Practice squad, I believe. 

He reminds me of Kennan McCardell in the sense of making some strong 1st impressions but we never really tapped McCardell's talent and skillset before he went off to Jax and became a Pro Bowl WR. We had him from 92-95 (finally getting 5 starts in 95 and reps in other games for 56 rec 709 yards and 4 TDs).  I've love to see what a QB like Flacco could get out of Watkins. Play his ass at Cincy - the Rats are absolutely bullying a very timid and intimidated Dolphins team today so we might as well let Moore and Cooper heal.

@flugel said:

Whatever happened Watkins?  I thought he was impressive in the preseason for whatever that's worth.  Is he still with us?

Practice squad, I believe. 

@dutch-oven said:

We've always been thin at WR, but I'm not sure adding another guy who can't get open would do much, even if we all really like Landry. 

Tillman is definitely a work in progress, and I've pretty much written off David Bell. The Browns definitely need to add to the WR unit this offseason. 

Whatever happened Watkins?  I thought he was impressive in the preseason for whatever that's worth.  Is he still with us?

@orion said:

With EJ Moore taking a seizure on the field after his head got smashed into the turf...and Tillman not being a good route runner and thus only getting 1 or 2 catches a game...we're weak at WR.  

We've always been thin at WR, but I'm not sure adding another guy who can't get open would do much, even if we all really like Landry. 

Tillman is definitely a work in progress, and I've pretty much written off David Bell. The Browns definitely need to add to the WR unit this offseason. 

@sdbacker80 said:

Bernie Kosar was talking about kicking the tires on Jarvis Landry.

With EJ Moore taking a seizure on the field after his head got smashed into the turf...and Tillman not being a good route runner and thus only getting 1 or 2 catches a game...we're weak at WR.  

The Cleveland Browns have signed QB Jeff Driskel to the active roster off the Cardinals' practice squad. To make room on the roster, the team has waived DE Sam Kamara.

@orion said:

So Duron Harmon brought his hat to the Browns roster.  I've got one with Snoopy on it. 

...Rodney McLeod was a pleasant surprise this year.  Of course he's gotta get hurt though...

McLeod had some really bad plays when Thornhill was out, one giving up a touchdown iirc. Just a total misread in the wrong direction.

Will miss the depth, but not a game changer or anything,

...Rodney McLeod was a pleasant surprise this year.  Of course he's gotta get hurt though...

WR Kenny Golladay

Joining the Browns at this stage sounds like a "football decision" to me!

every 2023 NFL trade. value/grade    https://sportsnaut.com/nfl-trade-tracker-updates-grades/

early reports had LB Jordan Kunaszyk returning for Ravens week.. could return to practice during bye week? any need for keeping another PK on PS?

https://brownswire.usatoday.com/lists/browns-jedrick-wills-replacement-options-2023/

OT Garett Bolles, Denver Broncos

@sdbacker80 said:

 but other guys like Bakhtiari 4th round finds.  

What a buffering, froze up, TV screen mess, Amazon Prime was in my area watching last nights game.. Anybody else have the same issues? worse I've seen

Anywho, T David Bakhiari was put on a minimum of 4 weeks IR before the game with repeated knee issues.. Any trade value left just took a risky hit 

edit 10-6.. done for the year, requires knee surgery. 

@ballpeen said:

We may try to move up some on draft day, but it won't be for a 1st rounder.

Right.  At least not high enough into the 1st round where LT's are usually found.