I'd like to see one less turnover, one more TD, and 3-4 more downfield passes - depending how those all come together.

However, it'll probably be more of a gut feeling. Like last night for Tom Brady, you could see him focus-in and rise to the occasion. A thing of beauty. It seemed like everyone knew he was going to get the job done.

@oconrecon said:

Those are my feelings. By then it will be much easier to either allow the incentives to kick in or put him on the shelf for the rest of the season.

@ballpeen said:

It makes no sense.

Broncos, Ravens, Bengals, Bills is a fair next pile of games. Not too hard, not too easy. He should be able to show improvement if he has it in him.

@oconrecon said:

Absolutely. Maybe call him a "game manager plus." He can't carry a team for a season, but he can string together some games that can put a team over the top. And you won't see him preside over an offense that goes, what, six games without a touchdown, either.

Dennis

I agree, but as i said in another thread...and we are a long way from this....if Quinn is looking bad 3-4-5 games in, I don't want the guy getting his 70% of the snaps, jacking his salary in to elite status.

I don't want to pay a schmoe elite money,,,either to keep or try to trade.

It makes no sense.

@dencyguy said:

Dennis

True Dennis, but the last 5 games of his Super Bowl year were great - and that's when it makes the biggest diff. QB rating 105 and TD/INT ratio of 10/3, but I agree, it was with a heck of a supporting cast. Overall, he is not at the Peyton and T. Brady level. I would take him over Dilfer though, but that's splitting hairs.

Third--and this gets overlooked by way too many people--Eli Manning just isn't a great quarterback. He's a good quarterback who benefits greatly from having a solid running game and terrific defense. He isn't Trent Dilfer, but he's not even close to Peyton or Tom Brady. Going into this season, he had a QB rating of 76.1. Peyton's is almost 95. Tom Brady's is almost 93. Derek Anderson's is 75. To say that the Browns should follow the Giants' example is essentially to say that they should get a great running game and defense and hope that Quinn doesn't screw it up. I think he can do better than that, and I would hope that we would all want him to.

Dennis

The offensive gameplan was beyond weird on Sunday. All I can imagine is that they outsmarted themselves while trying to outsmart the Vikings D.

I'm hoping (and anticipating) a return to some basics this week, including play action, quick strikes and screens to set up the downfield attempts.

Basically, what Weis did with Quinn to tremendouse effect for two years at ND.

A new regime a new guy under center a new guy as the center and total crap play from the guys on the right side of the o-line,big slow WRs that cant get open,react, block or pick let alone catch so lets give it some time and watch what happens....

Im really sick of hearig how physical BE is from mangini when i always see him in games unable and or unwilling to block even a cb on running plays or hold off a safety so another guy who caught the ball can gain some extra yards...if we have to have these inconsistant big slugs as WRs we need to at least have slugs that can block like the vikings WRs...

Thanks for the Lumberghian contribution, as always.

@damajuki said:

yeah one game would be too quick.

FYI Quinn's played FOUR GAMES

@atenears said:

How about the starting QB for the Browns?

Oh, wait, that IS what we're talking about, and have been, for the last 2 (5, 10, 15, 20) years.

It is truly unbelievable how Lumberghian things are getting around here when it comes to the QB talk.

Let's remember: we are 1 game into the first full year of starting of our first-round draft pick QB.

To compare him unfavorably to ANY veteran starting QB after ONE GAME is -- well, I can't think of what else to call it -- Lumberghian it its stupidity.

Look, when you rank first against the rush you have a damn good D period, and of course your passer rating is going higher than your run rating.

Just a dumb argument. I was at the game and I saw a very good defense from the Vikes top to bottom. Quinn needs to get better, but let's see what he does against some lesser defenses.

@inspecta said:

Have a quote to support that Internet Tough guy?

Just because I didn't make cute fuzzy excuses for Sunday's shitty play, doesn't mean I rooted against any player on our team.

4th quarter play is particularly what I'm interested in - do they play all 4th quarters, or just give up like they did under RAC?

I saw some of the 'give up' in the 4th on Sunday from the defense. The offense didn't give up, they just didn't look good once the Vikings started rushing everyone.

@osusev said:

It made me think that $5 is too little to charge for that.

@legacy-fan said:

that was funny

@atenears said:

Well, Charlie Frye comparisons would work ...

I can't imagine Stanley, but we could start with what makes your avatar so damn awesome, or our favorite flavor of EAS shake, or maybe how we just can't wait to get our mouths around our favorite $5 foot-long.

Last year, we had no rushing game, no skill players except for winslow, oline sucked etc

the year before when he actually was the starter for the whole year he had skill players and a rushing game.... imagine that

the end of the year before they let him play at the end of the season because of bs he was not starting the whole year....

The last time I checked this is a team game with tons of support staff on the sideline in multi million dollar organizations....

Brady sucked and on his own but the team did not help him either right side of the o line/skill players etc.

I like how people know DA is not the answer based on a broken injured team with no skill players last year and the phil dictator and no power RAC show with Chud as the o coordinator..... yes because the guy who showed top end ability during a monday night Giants game and the year before led us to 10 wins saddled with a terrible defense breaking franchise records for most home wins thowing 3700+ yards and 29tds just grows on trees...

If the entire team was performing last year and DA sucked I could understand....... The viking defense was what against the pass last year? the steelers and the ravens defenses are comparable how?

Soldier with a new attitude

@flugel said:

Dallas 28 Cleveland 10

Pittsburgh 10 Cleveland 6

Baltimore 28 Cleveland 10

There was another shabby loss not too much later

Indy 10 Cleveland 6 (1 TD came off DA's fumble so Peyton's odffense only score 3 points - warm & fuzzy?)

Geee, let's piss and moan about being AHEAD at halftime in this opener because the Dumb Ass fans have ticklish G-spots. Seriously folks, DA was in his THIRD consecutive season of starts when he went 3-6. If you're seeing regression in lieu of progress and growth - he's NOT the freakin answer.

I'm sitting here reading a BUNCH of fans that sound like they CANNOT wait to see Quinn fail. When your first round draft pick is a QB - it's pretty freakin important that he does NOT suck or this franchise is FUBAR. That being the case, don't take this SHIT out on those of us that FINALLY want to see what he has in his THIRD year. All Dumb Ass ever had to do with his 27 starts was prove he could learn from his experience. That means growth instead of regression. If DA was Kurt Warner - nobody would give the first crap WHO the other QB is on this team. Since he's not, we're right back to the rationale of WHY we needed to draft a 1st round QB.

I've said all along, it would have been MUCH better to find out if Quinn has it or not back in his 1st and 2nd seasons - rather than getting into season #3 and finding out we need to start all over again in 2010. That being the case, I'm rooting my ass off for Quinn to succeed. Why wouldn't I?

- Tom F.

If we traded DA, what on earth would Brady Nation be talking about today?

Well, Charlie Frye comparisons would work ...

@inspecta said:

We have a starting QB? Oh you me figuratively speaking ...

@inspecta said:

Dude, that's what 80% of this Board has been doing since 2007. There's a different number on the QB's back, but the rhetoric here is the same.

Keep your eye on the ball. All that matters is who is behind center and how he plays.

BQ isn't going to get any love if he plays equal to or marginally better than the last guy.