@bbedward said:

Joe has a lot of experience watching garbage QBs take snaps for the browns.

Don’t we all

@flugel said:

That could have just been his reaction to watching PJ play QB.  We all had the look of where can I bury the memories of this game fast as hell.  I think Joe Flacco-Seagulls is going to be just what the doctor ordered for us.  

Yeah , I like Joe's skill set despite the fact he's not what you call 'mobile' And him being a fellow Dago like myself doesn't hurt lol... Although the last Dago we had "Vinneh the Ninneh' was  torture.. He had an uncanny way of throwing it to the wrong colored jersey.. only to find out he was fucking medically color blind.. GAH!!!

@bbedward said:

Joe has a lot of experience watching garbage QBs take snaps for the browns.

Very true!

@flugel said:

That could have just been his reaction to watching PJ play QB.  We all had the look of where can I bury the memories of this game fast as hell.  I think Joe Flacco-Seagulls is going to be just what the doctor ordered for us.  

Joe has a lot of experience watching garbage QBs take snaps for the browns.

@nickers said:

I saw the look of death in Flaccos eyes during the second half.. Almost like buyers remorse...

That could have just been his reaction to watching PJ play QB.  We all had the look of where can I bury the memories of this game fast as hell.  I think Joe Flacco-Seagulls is going to be just what the doctor ordered for us.  

@flugel said:

Tom Brady only threw 3 passes as an NFL rookie and he only completed 1 of them for 6 yards.  Let's pretend for a second he did that here as a Cleveland Brown prior to hindsight 20/20, the same type of cynics would have been here rooting against him so they could post their "I told you he'd suck" stuff.  

Sometimes a team has to protect a rookie QB like not letting him start too early on as a rookie (Ie: Tom Brady, Steve McNair, Patrick Mahomes).  Mahomes might have started 1 game or 2 after KC clinched a playoff spot early when Alex Smith was starting. There's a lot to learn; and a very 1st start against a team like Baltimore leading the NFL in sacks at the time can be overwhelming.  The next time DTR started was against Pitt when we had our 3rd string RT and our 2nd string left tackle filling in as starters.  The plan was quicker/shorter passes to keep TJ Watt and Alex Highsmith from getting to him as much as that was possible.  Then people fussed about that game plan which actually BEAT Pittsburgh this time. Keep in mind, DTR is a 5th round pick which was supposed to be watching Watson starting all year.  Cincy has the same thing happening with a very inexperienced Browning starting at QB since Burrow went on IR.

Hopefully we'll find a groove with whoever we have to go with at QB.  

I saw the look of death in Flaccos eyes during the second half.. Almost like buyers remorse...

@neo said:

In regards to DTR, he has made significant strides between his starts. His effort against the Broncos was a good one maybe even a winning effort if it wasn't for the injury. It was a 5 point game when he left, still within striking distance. He had two TD's dropped. But people are critisizing DTR. Some stupid people floating around this board....

Tom Brady only threw 3 passes as an NFL rookie and he only completed 1 of them for 6 yards.  Let's pretend for a second he did that here as a Cleveland Brown prior to hindsight 20/20, the same type of cynics would have been here rooting against him so they could post their "I told you he'd suck" stuff.  

Sometimes a team has to protect a rookie QB like not letting him start too early on as a rookie (Ie: Tom Brady, Steve McNair, Patrick Mahomes).  Mahomes might have started 1 game or 2 after KC clinched a playoff spot early when Alex Smith was starting. There's a lot to learn; and a very 1st start against a team like Baltimore leading the NFL in sacks at the time can be overwhelming.  The next time DTR started was against Pitt when we had our 3rd string RT and our 2nd string left tackle filling in as starters.  The plan was quicker/shorter passes to keep TJ Watt and Alex Highsmith from getting to him as much as that was possible.  Then people fussed about that game plan which actually BEAT Pittsburgh this time. Keep in mind, DTR is a 5th round pick which was supposed to be watching Watson starting all year.  Cincy has the same thing happening with a very inexperienced Browning starting at QB since Burrow went on IR.

Hopefully we'll find a groove with whoever we have to go with at QB.  

@nickers said:

Fields is  a shit dumbass QB..

But Zach Wilson is a good QB who is just being used improperly, right? ?

@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:

We have special imbeciles

@bbedward said:

Jeez. I’m not watching the game but dobbs 4 interceptions? Maybe we aren’t missing much 

And he’ll still probably win because it’s the bears ?

@browns149 said:

Watching this awful Monday night game. The Bears have it 3rd and 2. The Vikings are playing press man coverage. The Bears call a WR screen. It loses 3 yards

My question is, WHY would you even call that play, and why didn’t Fields change the play?

Fields is  a shit dumbass QB..

@neo said:

Unfortunately, this is where we are as a society. There can be a piece of videographic evidence that tells the truth but people will bend and shape reality to their liking.....

The irony is delicious.

My question is, WHY would you even call that play, and why didn’t Fields change the play?

@neo said:

Unfortunately, this is where we are as a society. There can be a piece of videographic evidence that tells the truth but people will bend and shape reality to their liking. I been arguing with people about whether the hit on DTR was clean or not, the video speaks for itself. You can see DTR's helmet clearly move as he is contacted by the defender and his chin strap moving up into his mouth from the defenders helmet, probably what caused his bloody lip. It's in the rule book "forcible contact to the head/neck area" But there are always people out there that just deny everything if it's something they don't like. I bet there's even people on here that will defend that hit. I just wanna know why year in and year out our opponents rough up our players like this and nothing ever gets done about it. I saw Fitzpatrick didn't play in our game against the Steelers, I bet everyone's knees were safe that day?

It’s an illegal hit, intentionally dirty I’m not sure though. You’re supposed to tackle low after all, no upright

@neo said:

Is it the same shoulder he injured when he wrecked his car? Just wondering if it's something that is going to linger for the rest of his life?

he be fine. we will kill the rams

@flugel said:

It's sounds like we'd only be missing Garrett, Chubb, Watson, Conklin, Cooper, Ward, Walker, and possibly a rookie backup QB.    Plus we lost our veteran Safety for the year.  No big deal - we can win the coin toss.  All kidding aside, ARRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!   

Unfortunately, this is where we are as a society. There can be a piece of videographic evidence that tells the truth but people will bend and shape reality to their liking. I been arguing with people about whether the hit on DTR was clean or not, the video speaks for itself. You can see DTR's helmet clearly move as he is contacted by the defender and his chin strap moving up into his mouth from the defenders helmet, probably what caused his bloody lip. It's in the rule book "forcible contact to the head/neck area" But there are always people out there that just deny everything if it's something they don't like. I bet there's even people on here that will defend that hit. I just wanna know why year in and year out our opponents rough up our players like this and nothing ever gets done about it. I saw Fitzpatrick didn't play in our game against the Steelers, I bet everyone's knees were safe that day?

@neo said:

Is it the same shoulder he injured when he wrecked his car? Just wondering if it's something that is going to linger for the rest of his life?

yes

@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:

I don't disagree, but here is what confuses me. If Flacco and several other accomplished vets are willing to step in and play now. 

With all dure respect to the two alphabet kids, with some proven vets sitting out with no job, why do you not tie one of them up at the beginning of the season?

Am I to understand that management really felt solid with these two kids as backups?

Surely the inference here is that these vets wouldn't accept a back up role in week 1 preseason, but in week 12 they prefer a tempoary position as starter?

What am I missing here?

I am fine with management choosing 2 young kids and not a vet. However, abandoning these 2 choices so quickly to sign Flacco would seem to indicate that management fucked up.

This is the kind of shit that seems to be S O P with the Browns.

It is frustrating to see our team so close, but as always, not rising to the top because of shit that could've and should've been nailed down.

It seems to me they erred in the assessment of the 2 younger guys. Plus Flacco is a statue and they wanted a more mobile guy to run Kev’s offense 

@texasag1969 said:

And hope Garrett's shoulder is normal and not keeping him out for the season. MRI is today.

Is it the same shoulder he injured when he wrecked his car? Just wondering if it's something that is going to linger for the rest of his life?

@texasag1969 said:

And hope Garrett's shoulder is normal and not keeping him out for the season. MRI is today. I'd get my bet in now taking LA and giving away 4.5 points. If that MRI result is bad, that spread will double IMO.

It's sounds like we'd only be missing Garrett, Chubb, Watson, Conklin, Cooper, Ward, Walker, and possibly a rookie backup QB.    Plus we lost our veteran Safety for the year.  No big deal - we can win the coin toss.  All kidding aside, ARRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!   

@bbedward said:

Not a must win, maybe if we dropped one against the ravens or Steelers the last couple weeks it would have been more of a must win. Frankly nothing is a must win yet, the browns are still a playoff team as of today.

I have a really hard time seeing us drop the bears, jets, and bungles. One more against the jags, Texans, or rams and we’re in the playoffs. Might even be at 3-3

No idea why Flacco wasn’t on the active roster, PJ Walker is a death sentence for any victory. Normally people are sarcastic when they say some rando on the street could do better, but I mean I think some rando on the street could also manage multiple fumbles, safety, and picks like Walker does.

If you’re gonna put the ball in DTRs hands 30 times in 3 quarters and give him designed running plays against the bounty hunting broncos, then you better not have pj fucking walker as his replacement. 

It's absolutely wild they won a single game with him as a QB. To be honest, watching some with the Panthers I thought it was a definitely "could be worse" 3rd string QB situation. But man- this dude should not even sniff the league. I don't think I've ever seen a guy with less pocket awareness than PJ, it's insane how blitzes just blow that man up.

It's all about lessons learned, and this FO I'm confident understands now that the backup situation can't be trusted to later round drafted rookie and (insert) random dud journeyman. Really sucks to think that Dobbs or Brissett (a longer shot, but I'm guessing would have re-signed with a lucrative deal) were right there. I've always understood the thought process- DTR balled out in the preseason and there's a very, very strong chance if we didn't commit to him on 53 man roster he would have not be a Brown. But the biggest hindsight was letting Dobbs walk.