@alendor said:

I have to dissagree with you Alendor. Braylon's biggest strength is the hardest part of being a WR, he gets open A LOT! And then he drops it. He does let corners get in front of him on slants which should never happen when you have that large of a size advantage but those balls are also supposed to be thrown in the WR's gut, not his hands. Which I thought DA did a pretty good job with. Probably because that route also requires the QB to throw it hard and fast. Anyways, when they are thrown too far in front of the WR, the DB has a much easier time getting his hands in there to make a play because the path of the ball becomes seperation between the WR and the ball and that does half of the DB's job for him right there. But he does get open a whole lot. Finishing the play has been his biggest issue.

And that deep route last game I thought was fine. If I were him I would have went inside with it also because there was WAAAY more space inside to make a play on the ball. The sideline is just one more defender. One of DA's "inaccurate" throws would have been inside where Braylon could have made a play on it or most likely drop it. But any reciever has a better chance against a DB than he does against a sideline.

@lumbergh said:

That gives the Browns the W, so he really went 11-4.

That also puts CLE in the playoffs that year, so he is a playoff QB.

Also that is his 30th TD for the year, so he is actually the franchise record holder for TDs in a season.

Wow, thats close. A whatever hair away from being the franchise leader for td's. That would totally suck with DA's name in our record books. Wonder what kind of hair it was in that Cincy game?

@brownindian said:

Keeping K2 would have made sense but the bucks did not come for BE. We got a trade offer which we felt was good and traded ..

BS...2nd rounders as expected to start...not as "Insurance"...p.s "just cos we have MoMass and Robiskie does not mean we should trade away BE." we did try to trade BE!

"We dont know if they have even half the talent level of BE. Don't draft them in the second round! Second rounders are expected to start!

"From what i have seem both of them are as inconsistent as BE" I haven't seen the on the field yet, but for a play here and there....again questionable draft picks

"anyone who assumes that they both are currently as good as BE or better are wrong." Again to my point....Questionable strategy in the draft room...

FINALLY...THREE SECOND ROUND DRAFT PICKS NOT IMPACTING GAME....YET! I HOPE THEY DO!

@solon16 said:

just cos we have MoMass and Robiskie does not mean we should trade away BE. We dont know if they have even half the talent level of BE. If they were that good wont they see some playing time atleast ? The only reason i think we got 2 receivers is insurance, in case we get a big trade offer for BE after the draft. From what i have seem both of them are as inconsistent as BE and anyone who assumes that they both are currently as good as BE or better are wrong.

Keeping K2 would have made sense but the bucks did not come for BE. We got a trade offer which we felt was good and traded ..

@choco said:

Still you chief, still you. Deciding you want to change the point doesn't actually change the point of what you responded to.

@choco said:

Because you say so? If you understood the point you wouldn't even say what I bolded above. No one is saying it actually is a TD or counts as one. Scoring a TD in the air was never the point. The point was even specifically stated in Riffers post you responded to: "but the point was it was a deep ball with isolated coverage"

Masters said:

no...its a stupid point. at this rate, queen will have 30TD's by the end of the season, while still being outscored by dawson.

@lumbergh said:

That gives the Browns the W, so he really went 11-4.

That also puts CLE in the playoffs that year, so he is a playoff QB.

Also that is his 30th TD for the year, so he is actually the franchise record holder for TDs in a season.

@riffer-x said:

while we're at it, let's give Anderson the TD to Winslow at Arizona in 2007 because he was pushed out.

That gives the Browns the W, so he really went 11-4.

That also puts CLE in the playoffs that year, so he is a playoff QB.

Also that is his 30th TD for the year, so he is actually the franchise record holder for TDs in a season.

@choco said:

did we get 6 points? no? ok then

Missing the point.

@riffer-x said:

Carry on choco ono

rules are rules....every team abides by them. hence...not a TD.

did we get 6 points? no? ok then

@daddybull1 said:

BE can be a beast if he's focused.. I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...

I agree with ya Riffer, you have to take what the defense gives you and play to your strengths....

Unlike you however I still haven't made up my mind about Brady.... I question his arm strength, in that, you need to throw ropes on those 25 - 30 yard passes.... Your D backs have so much speed that the window of opportunity closes so quickly....

Brady had a bad game against the Vikings but the good thing is, theres another game this week and we'll see if he grows and learns from his mistakes....

Peace

T.Dawg

Not sure where I ever said I was convinced about anything regarding Quinn, I just want to see him for a year. I think he has plenty of arm though, that has been discussed ad nauseum here with quite a bit of proof that he has plenty of arm needed.

Nobody is saying he has DA's arm, but he has an NFL arm.

@choco said:

Well considering the DB had to ride Braylons out of bounds and he still came back in and caught it for a TD only to have it taken away by a cunt hair review yeah, it was a TD. It doesn't go into the stat books as one, but the point was it was a deep ball with isolated coverage.

Carry on choco ono

@daddybull1 said:

This is what Stallworth was ostensibly signed for. In theory it should have worked waaaaaay better than it did in practice.

Where are James Jett, Willie Gault and, I dunno, Usain Bolt when you need them.

@riffer-x said:

huh?

@daddybull1 said:

BE can be a beast if he's focused.. I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...

I agree with ya Riffer, you have to take what the defense gives you and play to your strengths....

Unlike you however I still haven't made up my mind about Brady.... I question his arm strength, in that, you need to throw ropes on those 25 - 30 yard passes.... Your D backs have so much speed that the window of opportunity closes so quickly....

Brady had a bad game against the Vikings but the good thing is, theres another game this week and we'll see if he grows and learns from his mistakes....

Peace

T.Dawg

The question will be though, will it be a better game because he learned/gets more practice time in with the #1's or will it be a better game because hes playing against a less tenacious defense? I agree though that you don't force the long ball just to keep the "arm strength" question at bay, you read the coverage and take what the d gives you.

BE can be a beast if he's focused.. I hate to say it but we don't have any burners in our receiving corps which would take pressure off of BE...

I agree with ya Riffer, you have to take what the defense gives you and play to your strengths....

Unlike you however I still haven't made up my mind about Brady.... I question his arm strength, in that, you need to throw ropes on those 25 - 30 yard passes.... Your D backs have so much speed that the window of opportunity closes so quickly....

Brady had a bad game against the Vikings but the good thing is, theres another game this week and we'll see if he grows and learns from his mistakes....

Peace

T.Dawg

Chickenwang said:

People misconstrue the arm strength with going deep. Young QB's generally go against 2 and 3 deep coverages or at times with 8 in the box. It basically takes away the deep threat while putting the strong safety up tight. They have to show a propensity to beat that coverage with underneath stuff that beats the blitz and moves the chains. It also helps to have a running game of substance. Once defenses are forced to adjust then they can start taking shots downfield.

While I agree you have to take some shots in the middle of the field I would rather my guy not force it. I would rather the offense dictate to the defense what they're going to do. You get dinked and dunked on enough with the chains moving you'll change things up.

Quinn took some shots last week with Braylon when there was no safety help. On the one it was a TD and the other it was a miscommunication for a pick.

@the-gipper said:

They stopped the run just fine in the first half, they need endurance.

@vegasdogg said:

spot on. while BE has scopes of improving and hey if his voided TD catch was something to go by, we will still have a legit threat for years to come. K2 was like our Wall street going down down down, with no bailout.