@hoorta said:

I go way back, and the only comparison scrambling ability Lamar has is Fran Tarkenton. 

I saw him play as well. Always rooted for the Vikings in those Super Bowls. 

Steve Young, Vick, Randall Cunningham- those guys were great as well.

@hoorta said:

See below.

Take a look at the Ravens RB depth chart...  FWIW, they're 26th in rushing yardage (2555).  And of that total, 821 of that belongs to Lamar Jackson. With Dobbins out for the year, they're hurting at RB.  Oh, you want a crazy stat?  Jackson has more rushing yards than our Jerome Ford. LJ has been remarkably adept at avoiding a kill shot to his knees, but unless he's damn lucky, it's coming- eventually- running like that. 

I'm sure Minkah Fitzpatrick will hook him up.

@bob806 said:

Yeah, it's crazy but folks have been saying that since he came into the league. I'm not 100% sure on this, but the prior 2 seasons he was basically hurt on bull-rush QB pressure. His ability in the open field is crazy good....like trying to catch a waterbug in a pond. 

I dislike the Ratbirds the most, but I reluctantly am going to give credit where it's due- Lamar is the best dual-threat QB the NFL has ever seen. 

I go way back, and the only comparison scrambling ability Lamar has is Fran Tarkenton. 

@dutch-oven said:

There's a risk in running the ball as a QB, but there's a risk of being a pocket QB too. Ask Joe Theismann who suffered the most famous QB injury ever - in the protective nest that was the Hog's Redskin passing pocket. Ask our own statue of a pocket passer - Bernie Kosar - whose career was pretty much over by the age of 30. 

My problem with Lamar was I had doubts he could stay in the pocket, read defenses and make the proper throw on a consistent basis. I felt the Ravens passing game was a fluky, gimmicky one that was successful because it ran off a great running game. Well now, with a new OC, he's starting to look good throwing in a more conventional passing scheme. 

The thing about Lamar is when he came out of Louisville, the knock on him was he was a great running back who incindentally called himself a passer. He was flat out lousy regarding the latter his first few years in the league. He's since- IMHO- improved as a quarterback by orders of magnitude over the years. 

Regarding his running ability LJ is only 851 yards short of passing Michael Vick as the top running QB ever.  (sort of surprised that Russell Wilson could pass Vick also) 

@dutch-oven said:

Ask Joe Theismann who suffered the most famous QB injury ever

as story has it, Kilmer and Stabler were having some beers watching the game. And laughed like all get out when he got hurt

@dutch-oven said:

There's a risk in running the ball as a QB, but there's a risk of being a pocket QB too. Ask Joe Theismann who suffered the most famous QB injury ever - in the protective nest that was the Hog's Redskin passing pocket. Ask our own statue of a pocket passer - Bernie Kosar - whose career was pretty much over by the age of 30. 

My problem with Lamar was I had doubts he could stay in the pocket, read defenses and make the proper throw on a consistent basis. I felt the Ravens passing game was a fluky, gimmicky one that was successful because it ran off a great running game. Well now, with a new OC, he's starting to look good throwing in a more conventional passing scheme. 

Our own pocket passer Joey Flacco tore his ACL before, as well as had a herniated disc in his neck - could say he wasn’t the same player after injuries, but with the Browns he’s back to playing like pre-injury Flacco.

I do think running QBs naturally have a higher injury risk, though - obviously. Lamar himself usually misses time annually, just hasn’t this year like the rest of the AFCN QBs. 

@bob806 said:

Yeah, it's crazy but folks have been saying that since he came into the league. I'm not 100% sure on this, but the prior 2 seasons he was basically hurt on bull-rush QB pressure. His ability in the open field is crazy good....like trying to catch a waterbug in a pond. 

I dislike the Ratbirds the most, but I reluctantly am going to give credit where it's due- Lamar is the best dual-threat QB the NFL has ever seen. 

There's a risk in running the ball as a QB, but there's a risk of being a pocket QB too. Ask Joe Theismann who suffered the most famous QB injury ever - in the protective nest that was the Hog's Redskin passing pocket. Ask our own statue of a pocket passer - Bernie Kosar - whose career was pretty much over by the age of 30. 

My problem with Lamar was I had doubts he could stay in the pocket, read defenses and make the proper throw on a consistent basis. I felt the Ravens passing game was a fluky, gimmicky one that was successful because it ran off a great running game. Well now, with a new OC, he's starting to look good throwing in a more conventional passing scheme. 

@hoorta said:

See below.

Take a look at the Ravens RB depth chart...  FWIW, they're 26th in rushing yardage (2555).  And of that total, 821 of that belongs to Lamar Jackson. With Dobbins out for the year, they're hurting at RB.  Oh, you want a crazy stat?  Jackson has more rushing yards than our Jerome Ford. LJ has been remarkably adept at avoiding a kill shot to his knees, but unless he's damn lucky, it's coming- eventually- running like that. 

Yeah, it's crazy but folks have been saying that since he came into the league. I'm not 100% sure on this, but the prior 2 seasons he was basically hurt on bull-rush QB pressure. His ability in the open field is crazy good....like trying to catch a waterbug in a pond. 

I dislike the Ratbirds the most, but I reluctantly am going to give credit where it's due- Lamar is the best dual-threat QB the NFL has ever seen. 

@hoorta said:

LJ has been remarkably adept at avoiding a kill shot to his knees, but unless he's damn lucky, it's coming- eventually- running like that. 

Correct, I don’t know when…but it’s coming.

@berniesuperbowl2 said:

Ratbirds scooped him up

See below.

@bbedward said:

Kinda expected I guess, not worried about cook on the ravens at all.

Take a look at the Ravens RB depth chart...  FWIW, they're 26th in rushing yardage (2555).  And of that total, 821 of that belongs to Lamar Jackson. With Dobbins out for the year, they're hurting at RB.  Oh, you want a crazy stat?  Jackson has more rushing yards than our Jerome Ford. LJ has been remarkably adept at avoiding a kill shot to his knees, but unless he's damn lucky, it's coming- eventually- running like that. 

@flugel said:

In one of our last game day threads @jiggins7919 made a good point along the line of how Cleveland's ball-carriers/Receivers were holding the ball away from their body just inviting fumbles.

Thanks, Flugel! On the bright side, it's a tough lesson to learn in the best of circumstances. Miraculously the fumbles didn't hurt us, and this allows us to learn from mistakes without the painful consequences. What REALLY hurt is that the Jets knew we had to run to waste clock and by fumbling multiple times it kind of hamstrung our coach with calling plays. 

Now, it worked OUT but what you'd love to see is the Browns' offense able to sustain a bit longer drives, even if we don't score, but getting just a couple first downs on the field. We blocked a FG and our defense made enough plays against an inept Jets' offense that we were never really threatened, but come playoff time, we'll need to run it with the confidence our backs won't fumble, ESPECIALLY if we get a lead into the second half. 

Let's hope we learned a valuable ball security lesson and we take that lesson into our wildcard playoff game. Man, how good does THAT sound? We literally don't have to worry this week and we can actually rest key players for the first time since a week 5 bye. Let's freaking go. 

@flugel said:

Yeah, he's more ready to do Country Time Lemonade commercials from a rocking chair on the front porch.

Or Subway commercials with Payton and Charles.

@korsou-dawg said:

Landry is retired. He is just in denial about that. 

Yeah, he's more ready to do Country Time Lemonade commercials from a rocking chair on the front porch.

@syd said:

if Moore can;t go I would bring cook to play in the slot (and yes over Landry )

This doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong by any means.  That said, the difference would be Corners would be covering Cook as a Slot instead of LBers in the hook zones and/or the flats that typically were assigned to him as a RB.  That's not as big of an advantage to Cook as slipping him out in a wheel route, swing pass or even via a fake hand-off where he ends up wide open in the hook zones or the fringes of the flats.  IMO, those corners can change direction faster than LBers; especially on a guy that looks like he lost a step.   Father time doesn't even need a pursuit angle to catch guys from behind.

@tiamat63 said:

To answer my own question - Browns have the 3rd most fumbles per game. DC has two lost on 67 carries.  Or 1 per 33.5 which would put him towards the league bottom. 

For comparison, Joe Mixon has almost 4 times the carries and zero fumbles. 

Yeah.... Hard pass.  We have enough RBs that struggle holding onto the rock as is. 

In one of our last game day threads @jiggins7919 made a good point along the line of how Cleveland's ball-carriers/Receivers were holding the ball away from their body just inviting fumbles. This was a great point because they do this a lot; and don't think for a second defenses in the playoffs won't be game planning to exploit this. To your very 1st point above, opposing defenses exploited this against the Browns in the regular season. That's my biggest worry on offense heading into the playoffs outside of knowing we can't afford to lose Cooper for any of the matchups ahead.

What interest me? Is Dallas ahead of Browns on the Waiver Wire at this time ? Adding Cook this late shouldn't cost much

@flugel said:

Me too KD!  The trouble is - what OL worthy of helping a playoff team are unemployed right now?  On the other hand, there may be some promising practice squad guys we could give this type of opportunity to.

It's not like most of us saw Cook's release coming. Maybe another team cuts a O-lineman to save cap space? If that doesn't happen, we are better off saving ours for the post-season.

@syd said:

if Moore can;t go I would bring cook to play in the slot (and yes over Landry )

Landry is retired. He is just in denial about that. 

@tiamat63 said:

Any late push should be Oline first.  That having been said, Dalvin would be as close to plug n play as you'd get.  He would have a great knowledge of the offensive structure, language, pass pro sets, etc etc.    The downside would be building chemistry as a runner behind an Oline unfamiliar to him

if Moore can;t go I would bring cook to play in the slot (and yes over Landry )

It seemed the same with Shaquille Leonard when the colts dropped him, except going to Philly seemed to give him some kind of resurgence.

For comparison, Joe Mixon has almost 4 times the carries and zero fumbles. 

Yeah.... Hard pass.  We have enough RBs that struggle holding onto the rock as is. 

@bbedward said:

Well we did just sign a vet guard for depth apparently:

Thanks for the update!   It can't hurt.  We can really use experienced depth on the OL..

The only scenario to me that makes logical sense to me is if they believe in the 2ish weeks Cook provides an upgrade over Hunt, which I don't see personally. I suppose if he'd be willing to sign to the PS it'd be a super good upgrade if someone goes down, but I doubt that what's he looking for.