you F*#KERS that voted for this are included

US Navy Ship Has Close Call With Houthi Missile; How Much Longer Until the Luck Runs Out?

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apparently, everyone who voted against America and Pres Trump are proud of the blood on their hands, and they want more.

sounds like a satanic cult or something....

@vaportrail said:

It needs to be a measured response and it really ought not to touch any Iranian soil. My guess (my hope) is that they're going to target some Iranian advisers in Iraq and some of the militia leaders. After Soleimani, Trump gave the IRGC an out and allowed them to pump their chest and take some victories back to the Iranian people. I'm not sure Biden is going to be able to walk away from this one with a victory he can bring back to the voters here. 

I don't see them going after Iranians in Iran. But any that are in Syria or Iraq are going to be targeted. The group responsible for the drone attack will be hunted for the rest of their lives.

@vaportrail said:

It needs to be a measured response and it really ought not to touch any Iranian soil. My guess (my hope) is that they're going to target some Iranian advisers in Iraq and some of the militia leaders. After Soleimani, Trump gave the IRGC an out and allowed them to pump their chest and take some victories back to the Iranian people. I'm not sure Biden is going to be able to walk away from this one with a victory he can bring back to the voters here. 

everything these dirtbags do in our WH is for political gain. Which means they will do the wrong thing, or do very little.

Like carter, the clintons, obamao and now biden.

Carter's fiasco:

• https://taskandpurpose.com › military-life › operation-eagle-claw-iranian-embassy-hostage-rescue

  Remembering the lost troops of Operation Eagle Claw, the failed Iranian ...

  According to Carter, equipment failure aboard several of the eight RH-53D Sea Stallion helicopters launched from the USS Nimitz led the president to abort the mission. But during the strike...

@cccjwh said:

There was an increase in attacks after Cheetos killed Soleimani. There were attacks throughout Cheetos time as president. The selective memory of the cult members is what I pointed out. Pretending to be a strong man didn't reduce the number of attacks. 

It doesn't matter how  ByDon responds, the cult members here will say it was the wrong thing to do. I don't disagree with much of what you stated. Odd to have a sane response on this forum.

It needs to be a measured response and it really ought not to touch any Iranian soil. My guess (my hope) is that they're going to target some Iranian advisers in Iraq and some of the militia leaders. After Soleimani, Trump gave the IRGC an out and allowed them to pump their chest and take some victories back to the Iranian people. I'm not sure Biden is going to be able to walk away from this one with a victory he can bring back to the voters here. 

@calfoxwc said:

the gutless coward-in-chief:

https://redstate.com/andrewmalcolm/2024/01/30/joe-bidens-plan-to-avenge-fallen-us-troops-tell-iran-were-coming-and-provide-the-target-lists-n2169399

Joe Biden's Stupid Plan to Avenge Fallen US Troops: Tell Iran We're Coming, Then Provide the Target List

Cringy....

https://redstate.com/andrewmalcolm/2024/01/30/joe-bidens-plan-to-avenge-fallen-us-troops-tell-iran-were-coming-and-provide-the-target-lists-n2169399

Joe Biden's Stupid Plan to Avenge Fallen US Troops: Tell Iran We're Coming, Then Provide the Target List

They've helped iran to become filthy rich, enabled them to expand support to their proxy armies.

It's too late - this cowardly wh will make all the wrong moves, and they don't care. They just want permanent control of America and it's wealth.

Meanwhile, 12 members of the united nations farce, took part in the hideous war crimes in Israel, rape, murder, burning and beading of babies in front of their parents, torture.........

the un is no longer worth spit to us or Israel - STOP FUNDING IT.

I hate to see our troops in harms' way, but I hate to see the world plunge into WWIII.

Our enemies desperately want to see us stop supporting Israel (like Vapor wants?) so they can finally wipe them off the face of the earth.

saddam and iran both had grandiose desires to make all of the middle east theirs. So, saddam went to war against iran for eight years.

that had NOTHING to do with us. it is who they are.shia/sunni warmongers.

The strong leadership of Pres Trump was keeping the peace to an imperfect maximum. It's an imperfect, screwed up world.

But the biden regime has served up conditions to encourage WWIII, our enemies will strike while their iron is hot, and ours are cowardly, self-serving politically neutered and perverted.

Were we to get our Troops out of there, we would have to ramp up aggression to meet their aggression on a World War level, I think.

   We can't get intel on preventing WWIII with no boots on the ground, imho.

It's complicated, and the historically vicious arab/russian/communist chinese moves have made it that way.

The un is worthless to stop anything. The bad players will always take advantage of corruption and weakness, which is.....the dem party, some rinos, and the entire WH, and up on high, the cia, fbi, doj, irs, etc etc etc etc.

    Iran is at war with us now. The longer we wait to stop them, be it financially and/or militarily, it adds fuel to the fire of a world war.

   The answer was to be strong and PREVENT all this in the first place. Stopping them now will be tough, but it has to be done, and Iran has made it that way.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com › news › national-international › document-spells-out-allegations-against-12-un-employees-israel-says-participated-in-hamas-attack › 5084712

@cccjwh said:

There was an increase in attacks after Cheetos killed Soleimani. There were attacks throughout Cheetos time as president. The selective memory of the cult members is what I pointed out. Pretending to be a strong man didn't reduce the number of attacks. 

It doesn't matter how  ByDon responds, the cult members here will say it was the wrong thing to do. I don't disagree with much of what you stated. Odd to have a sane response on this forum.

You're the definition of 'dimwit'.

@vaportrail said:

No American lives were lost as a result of the assassination of Soleimani. Trump ordered him killed because he just so happened to be in Baghdad the week the US embassy in Iraq was nearly overrun and turned into another Benghazi or Tehran. Trump put a hit on the ringleader of it. Trump declined the option to bomb the shit out of some of Iran's oil infrastructure because it would've killed a bunch of innocent people working there. Iran responded, as you said, by hijacking tankers, bombing Saudi oil fields, and hitting American bases with precision munitions, but all of those were done with the purpose of avoiding civilian deaths. How Trump handled that was the pinnacle of brinksmanship on the world stage in the last 20 years. If he had opted to go through with hitting Iranian infrastructure, any collateral damage of civilians would be used as justification to just straight up drop cruise missiles on the barracks of US soldiers or hotels of US civilians. Trump killed a general in the IRGC and Iran responded with non-lethal force. You cannot spin that as a failure. If you want to talk about Trump's failures in foreign policy, by all means, bring up Somalia, Niger, or Yemen and you'll have a point - but if you're trying to use the Soleimani retaliation as an example, then you don't know what you're talking about. 

Biden is now in an even more precarious position than Trump was. The safety of global trade provided by the omnipotent US Navy is now being questioned. Maersk has long had special escort contracts with the US Navy. Those contracts are now null and void because they don't feel the USN can provide adequate protection across the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait. The usual GOP warhawks (idiots) are calling for a massive retaliation. Even Biden's NSC spokesman has placed the blame on Iran. 

Without a firm response, in an election year, Biden could easily make the argument for Trump that Biden is a weak leader. This is an outcome that must be avoided at all costs by the DC establishment.

With too firm of a response, Biden risks the global economy collapsing and initiating a world war. If attacked, Iran, seeing how difficult of a time the US is having taking control of the Bab-el-Mandeb, would consider shutting down the Strait of Hormuz. In this scenario, essentially, all oil exports going from the Middle East to East Asia would be halted. This would put China in a dire situation as they are export dependent (a la Japan in 1941).

Meanwhile, Russian soldiers in Ukraine and within Russia have been getting killed by weaponry provided to Ukraine by the West. To this point, Russia has limited its attacks to the Ukrainian border. It is unclear if this is because they are too weak to do anything more or if they are taking into account political considerations. If they aren't worried about a response from NATO/EU, then any attack that Biden hits Iran with could also be used as justification to hit Western suppliers and supply lines beyond Ukraine's border. 

The US still has the most powerful military in the world, but the problem is that the people we bullied throughout the cold war have closed the gap. We can't park a carrier group in the Persian Gulf anymore without worrying about it being smoked by a barrage of cruise missiles and air/sea drones. Failures of US force projection in Ukraine and the Red Sea demonstrate that our government is being run by MIC think tank morons who thought that we are as powerful as we were in 1991. I personally don't want to be vaporized by an H bomb, so I would hope that Biden prioritizes avoiding a major escalation. However, the idiots advising him might feel that losing the 2024 election to Trump is a bigger priority. They do have bunkers in the mountains to hide in, after all. I do not. 

There was an increase in attacks after Cheetos killed Soleimani. There were attacks throughout Cheetos time as president. The selective memory of the cult members is what I pointed out. Pretending to be a strong man didn't reduce the number of attacks. 

It doesn't matter how  ByDon responds, the cult members here will say it was the wrong thing to do. I don't disagree with much of what you stated. Odd to have a sane response on this forum.

@cccjwh said:

What a surprise the cult members seemed to forget all the service members killed while Cheetos was in office. But you guys don't care about reality, so carry on.

No American lives were lost as a result of the assassination of Soleimani. Trump ordered him killed because he just so happened to be in Baghdad the week the US embassy in Iraq was nearly overrun and turned into another Benghazi or Tehran. Trump put a hit on the ringleader of it. Trump declined the option to bomb the shit out of some of Iran's oil infrastructure because it would've killed a bunch of innocent people working there. Iran responded, as you said, by hijacking tankers, bombing Saudi oil fields, and hitting American bases with precision munitions, but all of those were done with the purpose of avoiding civilian deaths. How Trump handled that was the pinnacle of brinksmanship on the world stage in the last 20 years. If he had opted to go through with hitting Iranian infrastructure, any collateral damage of civilians would be used as justification to just straight up drop cruise missiles on the barracks of US soldiers or hotels of US civilians. Trump killed a general in the IRGC and Iran responded with non-lethal force. You cannot spin that as a failure. If you want to talk about Trump's failures in foreign policy, by all means, bring up Somalia, Niger, or Yemen and you'll have a point - but if you're trying to use the Soleimani retaliation as an example, then you don't know what you're talking about. 

Biden is now in an even more precarious position than Trump was. The safety of global trade provided by the omnipotent US Navy is now being questioned. Maersk has long had special escort contracts with the US Navy. Those contracts are now null and void because they don't feel the USN can provide adequate protection across the Bab-el-Mandeb Strait. The usual GOP warhawks (idiots) are calling for a massive retaliation. Even Biden's NSC spokesman has placed the blame on Iran. 

Without a firm response, in an election year, Biden could easily make the argument for Trump that Biden is a weak leader. This is an outcome that must be avoided at all costs by the DC establishment.

With too firm of a response, Biden risks the global economy collapsing and initiating a world war. If attacked, Iran, seeing how difficult of a time the US is having taking control of the Bab-el-Mandeb, would consider shutting down the Strait of Hormuz. In this scenario, essentially, all oil exports going from the Middle East to East Asia would be halted. This would put China in a dire situation as they are export dependent (a la Japan in 1941).

Meanwhile, Russian soldiers in Ukraine and within Russia have been getting killed by weaponry provided to Ukraine by the West. To this point, Russia has limited its attacks to the Ukrainian border. It is unclear if this is because they are too weak to do anything more or if they are taking into account political considerations. If they aren't worried about a response from NATO/EU, then any attack that Biden hits Iran with could also be used as justification to hit Western suppliers and supply lines beyond Ukraine's border. 

The US still has the most powerful military in the world, but the problem is that the people we bullied throughout the cold war have closed the gap. We can't park a carrier group in the Persian Gulf anymore without worrying about it being smoked by a barrage of cruise missiles and air/sea drones. Failures of US force projection in Ukraine and the Red Sea demonstrate that our government is being run by MIC think tank morons who thought that we are as powerful as we were in 1991. I personally don't want to be vaporized by an H bomb, so I would hope that Biden prioritizes avoiding a major escalation. However, the idiots advising him might feel that losing the 2024 election to Trump is a bigger priority. They do have bunkers in the mountains to hide in, after all. I do not. 

@vaportrail said:

I voted Trump in 2016 and 2020, dipshit. 

yeah, but you support biden and hamas and all palestinians and you are wanting to let

iran destroy the middle east, let russia whatever they want.

mucho makenosenso.

I ask again, are you palestinian? nothing wrong with that if you are, but your

anti-Israel attitude is wrong.

@axe said:

Your boy Biden's weakness

I voted Trump in 2016 and 2020, dipshit. 

@vaportrail said:

What did they die for? 

Your boy Biden's weakness

@vaportrail said:

And then there's this closeted homosexual once again banging the war drum. If you declare war on Iran, then not only will the Red Sea be shut down from trade from the bullshit going on in Israel/Gaza, but the Iranians would then embargo the Persian Gulf to trade. I guess it's not a bad move if your goal is to shut down the global economy and force WW3.

He likes getting hit 'hard'.?????

@vaportrail said:

Cal flies the Israeli flag above the American flag at his house. 

Liar, I don't believe in mass murder of Jews. There was this horror called the Holocaust. You should read up on it. Then there were the murders of Israeli Athletes in Munich, Germany, 1972 Summer Olympics. and, of course, the hideous violent murder, rape, torture against innocent Jews in Israel by a surprise "9/11".

You refused to admit hamas committed serious war crimes against hundreds of innocent mem, women and babies.

• https://www.theguardian.com › world › 2023 › oct › 23 › israel-shows-footage-of-hamas-killings-to-counter-denial-of-atrocities

  Israel shows footage of Hamas killings 'to counter denial of atrocities ...

  Oct 23, 2023Mon 23 Oct 2023 14.50 EDT Israeli authorities have shown harrowing footage of killings and mutilations during Hamas's rampage in southern Israel on 7 October.

Vapor wishes he had been hamas before the massacre, maybe?

I ask again, are you palestinian? Is there where your anti-Jew bias? comes from.

It's fine with you if Iran and NK and russia support Iran and their terrorism groups, but we should not support Israel????