@berniesuperbowl2 said:

The Steelers hired Arthur Smith as their OC. That's good news for the Browns, Smith is a total bozo and doesn't know how to run an offense. He was terrible for the Falcons the last 3 years and rode Derrick Henry's coat tails in 2019-2020. 

I never understood that hiring in Atlanta.. I thought there were better coaching prospects out there...

@gumby73 said:

Former ST coach Mike Priefer coached the playoff win.. since, Mike Priefer landed a college coaching job at Kentucky

AVP did call plays in said playoff game 

That's right.  Thanks.  So, to amend my statement....AVP did something no other play caller has done for the Browns this century, he called the plays to a playoff win.   

@orion said:

It appears that somebody has made a mistake here.  I'll say this about AVP...he did the one thing that nobody else has done this century, he won us a playoff game.

Former ST coach Mike Priefer coached the playoff win.. since, Mike Priefer landed a college coaching job at Kentucky

AVP did call plays in said playoff game 

@orion said:

Either Buffalo fired him and he's actually not very good...and we made the mistake.  Or Buffalo knee-jerked and he IS good.

Can't image Stef changing anything. Listening to the offensive position coach's weekly pressers from last season. Stef, AVP, Stump & Callahan all had weekly scheme discussions they'd assist putting into the weekly game-plan.  Those position coaches just got re-booted.     

@orion said:

It appears that somebody has made a mistake here.  Either Buffalo fired him and he's actually not very good...and we made the mistake.  Or Buffalo knee-jerked and he IS good.  I'll say this about AVP...he did the one thing that nobody else has done this century, he won us a playoff game.

Ken Dorsey was Josh Allen’s handpicked offensive coordinator when Brian Daboll left to become the Giants’ head coach. All he did was lead the Bills to the 2nd-ranked offense in 2022 and a top-5 offense in 2023, but he was fired midway through the season anyway. I full-throat defended Dorsey when there was buzz he might be fired and then after he was let go.

He wasn’t the problem in Buffalo and I’m very glad he’s getting a chance to run another offense.

@nickers said:

Maybe it was just too complicated for Allen..

he had his best year ever in 22 working with Dorsey

@dutch-oven said:

Now, I'm not sure what exactly happened this year and how he couldn't even make it out of his second season after such a good first...

I think because he ignored the rushing attack which improved after his departure. Most advanced analytics dropped after his departure however. Funnily enough in the divisional game they still abandoned the run early in his absence which was one of his criticisms. I'm fine with the hire, after going 11-6 with this injured roster they have a pass unless they fall flat on their face next season.

@bob806 said:

Sean McDermott has been quoted saying (paraphrasing here) " Josh Allen's style of play is not sustainable long-term." 

McD put the shackles on Allen rushing the ball, essentially eliminating his greatest skill. The Bills were basically a comedy of errors the 1st 10 weeks, losing to the Jets, Denver, & New England. 

McD needed a scapegoat, so he canned Dorsey. That's how I see it. McD won't blame his defense, something he's in charge of (they have heavy $$ investment in their D line, which produced 0 sacks in 2 playoff games).

Hopefully Dorsey becomes a valuable asset here. We'll see. 

Ken Dorsey runs a "Thinking Man's" offense.. There's a lot to digest.. Maybe it was just too complicated for Allen.. And maybe Allen is better off running a simple "Throw, Catch and Run" O more conducive to his strengths

@dutch-oven said:

Now, I'm not sure what exactly happened this year and how he couldn't even make it out of his second season after such a good first...

Sean McDermott has been quoted saying (paraphrasing here) " Josh Allen's style of play is not sustainable long-term." 

McD put the shackles on Allen rushing the ball, essentially eliminating his greatest skill. The Bills were basically a comedy of errors the 1st 10 weeks, losing to the Jets, Denver, & New England. 

McD needed a scapegoat, so he canned Dorsey. That's how I see it. McD won't blame his defense, something he's in charge of (they have heavy $$ investment in their D line, which produced 0 sacks in 2 playoff games).

Hopefully Dorsey becomes a valuable asset here. We'll see. 

@tiamat63 said:

" With Stefanski calling plays, the Browns' offense has been more pass-focused."

Only ranked outside of the top 7 in rush attempts every single year since Stef has been head coach.    Sports media is a fucking joke. 

Thanks for the back up info.  I

@flugel said:

Okay, I just verified your points Dutch. Feeling better.  In 2022, Buffalo was ranked 2nd in total yards at 397.6 yards per game.  They ranked 7th in passing offense with 258.1 yards per game; and 7th in rushing offense with 139.5 yards per game; and 2nd at points scored with 28.4. 

Now, I'm not sure what exactly happened this year and how he couldn't even make it out of his second season after such a good first...

@dutch-oven said:

So he was their OC starting in 2022... The Bills offense was very good, at the top of the rankings in points scored and yards gained.

But then it went downhill this year, when Allen became a turnover machine for the first ten weeks or so of the season. 

Okay, I just verified your points Dutch. Feeling better.  In 2022, Buffalo was ranked 2nd in total yards at 397.6 yards per game.  They ranked 7th in passing offense with 258.1 yards per game; and 7th in rushing offense with 139.5 yards per game; and 2nd at points scored with 28.4. 

@dutch-oven said:

So he was their OC starting in 2022... The Bills offense was very good, at the top of the rankings in points scored and yards gained.

But then it went downhill this year, when Allen became a turnover machine for the first ten weeks or so of the season. 

Don't confuse me. 

@flugel said:

Agreed.  I say this because Buffalo was 5-5 with him before going 6-1 without him.  Josh Allen was having one of his worst seasons as a veteran player.  If that's a massive upgrade over Alex Van Pelt - color me fooled...

I like our other hires though...

So he was their OC starting in 2022... The Bills offense was very good, at the top of the rankings in points scored and yards gained.

But then it went downhill this year, when Allen became a turnover machine for the first ten weeks or so of the season. 

@d-bone said:

Meh. Just a hire to replace a fire and is nothing more than a lateral move. Hopefully he can work some magic with the QB position.  

Agreed.  I say this because Buffalo was 5-5 with him before going 6-1 without him.  Josh Allen was having one of his worst seasons as a veteran player.  If that's a massive upgrade over Alex Van Pelt - color me fooled...

I like our other hires though...

Only ranked outside of the top 7 in rush attempts once every single year since Stef has been head coach.    Sports media is a fucking joke.