@flugel said:

That's a sad story MJP!  Thanks for assisting Syd with the countdown when you were able to do so.  Well done!!! 

Thanks Flug.

On May 12, 2017 not that long ago only  -7-  years. from  Louisiana.    Odder yet  both  the motorcycle driver   and  the car driver a 20 year old woman  were  killed.    

High speed indeed.    If my quick math is accurate  Jackson was  about 48 y/o  +/- in my head.      Still young.

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@flugel said:

Great job on the countdown this year Syd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thanks for all the time you put into it and reminding us of all the fun players we enjoyed rooting for over the years! 

Ditto @flugel.

Thanks @syd!

@mjp28 said:

~  AND   ~   getting near the end of the    NUMBERS   and    DAYS     on the  Cleveland  BROWNS   ● KICK★OFF  ●  Countdown.    Our  jersey countdown  # 1  is    MICHAEL DYWANE JACKSON    from   1991 -  1995 .

●  Michael Dywane Jackson Dyson.      (April 12, 1969 – May 12, 2017) was an American professional football player who was a wide receiver for eight seasons in the National Football League (NFL) from 1991 to 1998. He played college football for the Southern Miss Golden Eagles. Jackson was selected by the ■  Cleveland Browns in the    ︎ SIXTH ROUND ︎   of the   ︎ 1991 ︎   NFL draft.      He played in the NFL for the Browns and the Baltimore Ravens. Jackson signed a one-year contract with the Seattle Seahawks to play the 1999 season, but was cut at the end of the preseason.

In college, Jackson was teammates with. ︎ quarterback ● Brett Favre ●   during the 1989 and 1990 seasons.

■  He was an immediate contributor for the Cleveland Browns under then head coach Bill Belichick with 3 seasons over 40 catches, 710 yards, and 7 TD. He had a then career-best season in 1993 when he hauled in 41 catches for 756 yards with 8 TD.

Between the first two games of the 1993 regular season, he briefly changed his last name to his father's surname Dyson before reverting to Jackson which was his mother's maiden name. The change of heart was the result of having received letters from youngsters who identified with him by his Jackson name.  

In 1996, Jackson was tied with San Diego Chargers wide receiver Tony Martin for most receiving touchdowns in the NFL with 14. He also had career highs with 76 catches and 1,201 yards.

Jackson was a member of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity.      He served as mayor of his hometown, Tangipahoa, Louisiana, from 2009 through 2012.    

●  On August 12, 1999 Jackson signed a one-year contract with the Seattle Seahawks after their star wide receiver.   ● Joey Galloway continued his holdout. Jackson played in all four preseason games with the Seahawks, catching a 23-yard touchdown against the Cardinals. Jackson was let go on September 6, 1999, in the ︎  preseason cut down to the 53-man roster.

Jackson was killed in a motorcycle accident in the early morning hours of May 12, 2017.     He was riding his motorcycle at high speed on US 51 in Tangipahoa, Louisiana when he struck the driver side of a vehicle that was backing out of a driveway. The high impact of the collision also killed the driver of the other vehicle, 20-year-old Destiny Alexus Gordon.   

That's a sad story MJP!  Thanks for assisting Syd with the countdown when you were able to do so.  Well done!!! 

@syd said:

Great job on the countdown this year Syd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Thanks for all the time you put into it and reminding us of all the fun players we enjoyed rooting for over the years! 

●  Michael Dywane Jackson Dyson.      (April 12, 1969 – May 12, 2017) was an American professional football player who was a wide receiver for eight seasons in the National Football League (NFL) from 1991 to 1998. He played college football for the Southern Miss Golden Eagles. Jackson was selected by the ■  Cleveland Browns in the    ︎ SIXTH ROUND ︎   of the   ︎ 1991 ︎   NFL draft.      He played in the NFL for the Browns and the Baltimore Ravens. Jackson signed a one-year contract with the Seattle Seahawks to play the 1999 season, but was cut at the end of the preseason.

In college, Jackson was teammates with. ︎ quarterback ● Brett Favre ●   during the 1989 and 1990 seasons.

■  He was an immediate contributor for the Cleveland Browns under then head coach Bill Belichick with 3 seasons over 40 catches, 710 yards, and 7 TD. He had a then career-best season in 1993 when he hauled in 41 catches for 756 yards with 8 TD.

Between the first two games of the 1993 regular season, he briefly changed his last name to his father's surname Dyson before reverting to Jackson which was his mother's maiden name. The change of heart was the result of having received letters from youngsters who identified with him by his Jackson name.  

In 1996, Jackson was tied with San Diego Chargers wide receiver Tony Martin for most receiving touchdowns in the NFL with 14. He also had career highs with 76 catches and 1,201 yards.

Jackson was a member of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity.      He served as mayor of his hometown, Tangipahoa, Louisiana, from 2009 through 2012.    

●  On August 12, 1999 Jackson signed a one-year contract with the Seattle Seahawks after their star wide receiver.   ● Joey Galloway continued his holdout. Jackson played in all four preseason games with the Seahawks, catching a 23-yard touchdown against the Cardinals. Jackson was let go on September 6, 1999, in the ︎  preseason cut down to the 53-man roster.

Jackson was killed in a motorcycle accident in the early morning hours of May 12, 2017.     He was riding his motorcycle at high speed on US 51 in Tangipahoa, Louisiana when he struck the driver side of a vehicle that was backing out of a driveway. The high impact of the collision also killed the driver of the other vehicle, 20-year-old Destiny Alexus Gordon.   

@bob806 said:

Thank you Baker for unlocking the Bud Light fridge vs the NY Jets, and enlightening the fans & ownership how Hue was over his head 

Too bad it wore out, but he was a part of Browns history that made it fun again. 2018 will always be one of my favorite seasons, even though it was 7-8-1. 

I could have done without him showing up to Training Camp the next season fat and out of shape, and as one Browns front office guy said "It appears he never opened the playbook all off-season" and pretty much torpedoing the 2019 season. The Broncos loss, though, was entertaining, as Baker shaved part of his facial hair off at halftime, then the rest after the game. ?

@syd said:

days away

@bob806 said:

Thank you Baker for unlocking the Bud Light fridge vs the NY Jets, and enlightening the fans & ownership how Hue was over his head 

Too bad it wore out, but he was a part of Browns history that made it fun again. 2018 will always be one of my favorite seasons, even though it was 7-8-1. 

Very fair post.

I have no desire for Baker. He played his role, but reached his emotional ceiling with the Browns.

I'm thankful for his help in reigniting the franchise.

@syd said:

days away

Thank you Baker for unlocking the Bud Light fridge vs the NY Jets, and enlightening the fans & ownership how Hue was over his head 

Too bad it wore out, but he was a part of Browns history that made it fun again. 2018 will always be one of my favorite seasons, even though it was 7-8-1. 

In March 2005, Dilfer was traded to the Cleveland Browns where it was hoped he would mentor rookie quarterback Charlie Frye. Naming Dilfer the starting quarterback for the 2005 NFL season, the idea was to work Frye into the lineup under the veteran's tutelage, but a behind-the-scenes dispute with then-offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon resulted in Dilfer's wanting out of Cleveland almost immediately.

In his lone season for the Browns, Dilfer passed for 2,321 yards and 11 touchdowns, throwing 12 interceptions and fumbling 9 times (losing 7 of those). His passer rating was 76.9.

He did however have the highest completion percentage of his career at 59.8 percent. The Browns would fall to   6 - 10  that season.

TRENT DILFER's.  TRAVELS. ....

Year	Team	Games	Passing
GP	GS	Record	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Avg	TD	Int	Rtg
1994	TB	5	2	0–2	38	82	46.3	433	5.3	1	6	36.3
1995	TB	16	16	7–9	224	415	54.0	2,774	6.7	4	18	60.1
1996	TB	16	16	6–10	267	482	55.4	2,859	5.9	12	19	64.8
1997	TB	16	16	10–6	217	386	56.2	2,555	6.6	21	11	82.8
1998	TB	16	16	8–8	225	429	52.4	2,729	6.4	21	15	74.0
1999	TB	10	10	7–3	146	244	59.8	1,619	6.6	11	11	75.8
2000	BAL	11	8	7–1	134	226	59.3	1,502	6.6	12	11	76.6
2001	SEA	6	4	4–0	73	122	59.8	1,014	8.3	7	4	92.0
2002	SEA	6	6	2–4	94	168	56.0	1,182	7.0	4	6	71.1
2003	SEA	5	0	–	4	8	50.0	31	3.9	1	1	59.9
2004	SEA	5	2	2–0	25	58	43.1	333	5.7	1	3	46.1
︎-->2005	CLE	11	11	4–7	199	333	59.8	2,321	7.0	11	12	76.9  <--︎
2006	SF	0	0	–	DNP
2007	SF	7	6	1–5	113	219	51.6	1,166	6.3	7	12	55.1
Career	130	113	58–55	1,759	3,172	55.5	20,518	6.5	113	129	70.2

@mjp28 said:

~  ANOTHER  ~  BROWNS'  player and yes a   KICKER   who wore the  ...   # 9    the  LONGEST  period was here for   NINE YEARS    and with other  teams too. ...  Mr  MATT  BAHR .   He also comes from a kicking family.

︎ In 1979, he was selected by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the sixth round of the 1979 NFL draft. His brother Chris Bahr followed a similar career path. Over his career, which spanned from 1979 to 1995, he played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the San Francisco 49ers, the ● Cleveland Browns, the New York Giants, the Philadelphia Eagles and the New England Patriots. As a rookie, he won a Super Bowl ring with the Steelers in Super Bowl XIV. In 1981, Bahr signed with the 49ers, but was.   ● traded to the Cleveland Browns midway through the season, thus missing out on a second Super Bowl ring (the 49ers went on the win the Super Bowl that year). After discovering he had been traded, Bahr left a note on his San Francisco locker stating, "See you in the Super Bowl.      While this did not happen (the Browns went 5–11 in 1981), Bahr did get some retribution against his former team when he kicked a game winning field goal to give the Browns a 15–12 victory over San Francisco in week 11.

●  His longest tenure was with the Browns where he played for.  NINE YEARS.   and was cut during the 1990 preseason.     In late September of that season he was picked up by the New York Giants after a repetitious injury to Raul Allegre.  He is best remembered for his performance in the 1990 NFC Championship Game on January 20, 1991, as he set an NFC Championship Game record with five field goals (including a 42-yarder as time expired) to lift the Giants past the 49ers 15–13. He also kicked what would prove to be the decisive field goal in Super Bowl XXV on January 27, 1991, as the Giants beat the Buffalo Bills 20–19, also recording a tackle on the opening kickoff.

Bahr played the final seasons of his career with the New England Patriots. In 1996, rookie kicker Adam Vinatieri beat him out for the starting kicker spot on the team, and he decided to retire after being cut by Patriots during the preseason

Bahr held the record for longest span for a player between Super Bowl victories at 11 years, until Ray Lewis of the Baltimore Ravens went 12 years from Super Bowl XXXV in 2001 to Super Bowl XLVII in 2013.

Bahr finished his 17 seasons with 300 of 415 field goals and 522 of 534 extra points. Overall, he scored a total of 1,422 points.

At the time of his retirement, Bahr was the last active NFL player that played for the Steelers in at least one of their four Super Bowl wins in the 1970s. Coincidentally, his last year in the NFL saw the Steelers return to the Super Bowl that season in Super Bowl XXX, their first Super Bowl appearance since his rookie season.

My fave kicker of all time... He was a badass and not afraid to go all in suicide on ST's.. His brother Chris was decent too!...

@bob806 said:

Pagel rented a house in our neighborhood for a couple years. Nice guy, actually saw him do yard work fairly often.

He had skills & a strong arm.

Pagel wasn't the worst.. Or great by any means but a good , serviceable QB with a great personality One thing I miss about the 80's teams.. They had personality and hungout with the locals... My encounters with guys like Ozzie Newsome and Greg Pruitt as a kid in the 70's were memorable... They lived in our part of East Cleveland.. My older brother and I ran into them regularly at the local convenient store all the time.. They were always great to us and gave us autographs and never asked for a single penny...

︎ In 1979, he was selected by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the sixth round of the 1979 NFL draft. His brother Chris Bahr followed a similar career path. Over his career, which spanned from 1979 to 1995, he played for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the San Francisco 49ers, the ● Cleveland Browns, the New York Giants, the Philadelphia Eagles and the New England Patriots. As a rookie, he won a Super Bowl ring with the Steelers in Super Bowl XIV. In 1981, Bahr signed with the 49ers, but was.   ● traded to the Cleveland Browns midway through the season, thus missing out on a second Super Bowl ring (the 49ers went on the win the Super Bowl that year). After discovering he had been traded, Bahr left a note on his San Francisco locker stating, "See you in the Super Bowl.      While this did not happen (the Browns went 5–11 in 1981), Bahr did get some retribution against his former team when he kicked a game winning field goal to give the Browns a 15–12 victory over San Francisco in week 11.

●  His longest tenure was with the Browns where he played for.  NINE YEARS.   and was cut during the 1990 preseason.     In late September of that season he was picked up by the New York Giants after a repetitious injury to Raul Allegre.  He is best remembered for his performance in the 1990 NFC Championship Game on January 20, 1991, as he set an NFC Championship Game record with five field goals (including a 42-yarder as time expired) to lift the Giants past the 49ers 15–13. He also kicked what would prove to be the decisive field goal in Super Bowl XXV on January 27, 1991, as the Giants beat the Buffalo Bills 20–19, also recording a tackle on the opening kickoff.

Bahr played the final seasons of his career with the New England Patriots. In 1996, rookie kicker Adam Vinatieri beat him out for the starting kicker spot on the team, and he decided to retire after being cut by Patriots during the preseason

Bahr held the record for longest span for a player between Super Bowl victories at 11 years, until Ray Lewis of the Baltimore Ravens went 12 years from Super Bowl XXXV in 2001 to Super Bowl XLVII in 2013.

Bahr finished his 17 seasons with 300 of 415 field goals and 522 of 534 extra points. Overall, he scored a total of 1,422 points.

At the time of his retirement, Bahr was the last active NFL player that played for the Steelers in at least one of their four Super Bowl wins in the 1970s. Coincidentally, his last year in the NFL saw the Steelers return to the Super Bowl that season in Super Bowl XXX, their first Super Bowl appearance since his rookie season.

@mjp28 said:

~  FILE  ~  this  BROWNS'  Quarterback who  A.  wore the   # 10 (1986-1990)  B.  played  132 games.   C. NOT  too spectacular   D.  had some   "interesting other"   side notes and you get  ....  MIKE  PAGEL ?    Yes,  Michael  Jonathan. Pagel.

Michael Jonathan Pagel (born September 13, 1960) is an American former professional football player who was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). He played college football for the Arizona State Sun Devils and was selected by the Baltimore Colts in the fourth round of the 1982 NFL draft. At 6'2" and 206 lb (93 kg), Pagel played in 12 NFL seasons from 1982 to 1993.

★ Mike Pagel <--︎  SEE ADDED-IN EXTRA NOTES !

No. 18, 10, 14
Position:	Quarterback
Personal information
Born:	September 13, 1960 (age 63) Douglas, Arizona, U.S.
Height:	6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Weight:	206 lb (93 kg)
Career information
High school:	Washington (Phoenix, Arizona)
College:	Arizona State
︎--> NFL draft:	1982 / Round: 4 / Pick: 84 <--︎
Career history
Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts (1982–1985) Cleveland Browns (1986–1990)  <--︎   5 years Los Angeles Rams (1991–1993) Massachusetts Marauders (1994)  <--︎ Arena
Career highlights and awards
First-team All-Pac-10 (1981)
Career NFL statistics
TDs-INT: 49–63 <--︎  uh-oh ! Passing yards: 9,414 Passer rating: 63.3
Career Arena statistics <-- Arena ?
Completions: 205 Attempts: 380 Touchdowns: 46/14  <--︎  WOW ! Interceptions: 14 Passing yards: 2,713
Player stats at PFR · ArenaFan.com

Drafted the same year as Art Schlichter, Pagel was drafted to be groomed as a backup. Generally he out-played Schlichter. Pagel bounced in and out of the starting quarterback job for the Colts in his four seasons with the team, alternating with Schlichter, Matt Kofler, and Mark Herrmann. He was the last Colt to wear #18 before Peyton Manning. He was traded to Cleveland for the 1986 season and served for the next five years there strictly as a backup. In 1988, he took over for an injured Bernie Kosar and Don Strock and played well in a playoff loss to the Houston Oilers.

Pagel finished up the last three years with the Los Angeles Rams, never garnering more than mop-up duties.

Pagel now resides in suburban Cleveland, Ohio, and is a project manager for AT&T. He also serves as analyst for the pregame, halftime and postgame shows on WTAM and WMMS during Browns games and offers television color commentary on college games on Fox Sports Network. Pagel also provides video commentary on his own site Pagel On Point. In addition, he presently is the quarterback coach at Normandy High School in Parma, Ohio. Sports is part of the family bloodline; Mike's brother Karl Pagel played baseball for the Chicago Cubs and Cleveland Indians. His brother Rick was a starting defensive end for the United States Naval Academy and served over 20 years as a helicopter pilot in the Marine Corps. Two of his other brothers also played junior college sports. His brother, Bruce, played offensive line at Glendale (AZ) Community College, and is now a professor of political science at Santa Fe College. His brother, Ross, played quarterback for Phoenix College, and later played first base for the college baseball team. Washington High School in Phoenix Arizona named their football field after Mike Pagel.

( picture below of  # 10  Mike Pagel  playing against Pittsburgh )

Pagel rented a house in our neighborhood for a couple years. Nice guy, actually saw him do yard work fairly often.

He had skills & a strong arm.

Michael Jonathan Pagel (born September 13, 1960) is an American former professional football player who was a quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). He played college football for the Arizona State Sun Devils and was selected by the Baltimore Colts in the fourth round of the 1982 NFL draft. At 6'2" and 206 lb (93 kg), Pagel played in 12 NFL seasons from 1982 to 1993.

★ Mike Pagel <--︎  SEE ADDED-IN EXTRA NOTES !

No. 18, 10, 14
Position:	Quarterback
Personal information
Born:	September 13, 1960 (age 63) Douglas, Arizona, U.S.
Height:	6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Weight:	206 lb (93 kg)
Career information
High school:	Washington (Phoenix, Arizona)
College:	Arizona State
︎--> NFL draft:	1982 / Round: 4 / Pick: 84 <--︎
Career history
Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts (1982–1985) Cleveland Browns (1986–1990)  <--︎   5 years Los Angeles Rams (1991–1993) Massachusetts Marauders (1994)  <--︎ Arena
Career highlights and awards
First-team All-Pac-10 (1981)
Career NFL statistics
TDs-INT: 49–63 <--︎  uh-oh ! Passing yards: 9,414 Passer rating: 63.3
Career Arena statistics <-- Arena ?
Completions: 205 Attempts: 380 Touchdowns: 46/14  <--︎  WOW ! Interceptions: 14 Passing yards: 2,713
Player stats at PFR · ArenaFan.com

︎-->   ● Drafted the same year as Art Schlichter, Pagel was drafted to be groomed as a backup. Generally he out-played Schlichter. Pagel bounced in and out of the starting quarterback job for the Colts in his four seasons with the team, alternating with Schlichter, Matt Kofler, and Mark Herrmann.

● He was the last Colt to wear #18 before Peyton Manning. ●He was traded to Cleveland for the 1986 season and served for the next five years there strictly as a  ︎ backup. In 1988, he took over for an injured Bernie Kosar and Don Strock and played well in a playoff loss to the Houston Oilers.

Pagel finished up the last three years with the Los Angeles Rams, never garnering more than mop-up duties.

■  Pagel now resides in suburban Cleveland, Ohio, and is a project manager for AT&T   ● He also serves as analyst for the pregame, halftime and postgame shows on WTAM and WMMS during Browns games and offers television color commentary on college games on Fox Sports Network. Pagel also provides video commentary on his own site Pagel On Point. In addition, he presently is the quarterback coach at Normandy High School in Parma, Ohio. Sports is part of the family bloodline;    ︎ Mike's brother Karl Pagel played baseball for the Chicago Cubs and Cleveland Indians. His brother Rick was a starting defensive end for the United States Naval Academy and served over 20 years as a helicopter pilot in the Marine Corps. Two of his other brothers also played junior college sports. His brother, Bruce, played offensive line at Glendale (AZ) Community College, and is now a professor of political science at Santa Fe College. His brother, Ross, played quarterback for Phoenix College, and later played first base for the college baseball team. ● Washington High School in Phoenix Arizona named their football field after Mike Pagel.

( picture below of  # 10  Mike Pagel  playing against Pittsburgh )

Donald Lee Cockroft (born February 6, 1945) is an American former professional football player who was a punter and placekicker for 13 seasons with the Cleveland Browns of the National Football League (NFL). He has the third most career points for a Brown behind fellow kickers Phil Dawson (second) and Lou Groza.

Cockroft served as the Browns' primary punter and placekicker for the first nine seasons of his career. In 1977, he dropped punting from his duties and became solely a placekicker. He and Tampa Bay Buccaneers kicker/punter Dave Green were two of the last NFL players to lead their teams in both punting and kicking in the same season (1976).

He was involved in the January 4, 1981, American Football Conference divisional play-off game versus the Oakland Raiders. Cockroft missed field goals from 47 and 30-yards in the second quarter. The Browns scored a touchdown on a 42-yard interception by Ron Bolton with 6:02 left in the second quarter, but the extra point attempt by Cockroft was blocked. Cleveland would lose the game 14-12, a game which is nicknamed Red Right 88.

Later NFL players to have this dual role were Steve Little of the St. Louis Cardinals in 1979, Russell Erxleben of the New Orleans Saints briefly in 1979 and 1980, and Frank Corral for the Los Angeles Rams in 1980 and 1981.