@mld-woody said:

The only silver lining here is that climate change isn't something to believe in or not believe in. It's a fact. There's consensus among actual experts.

• https://www.technologyreview.com › 2004 › 10 › 15 › 274740 › global-warming-bombshell

  Global Warming Bombshell | MIT Technology Review

  Global Warming Bombshell. A prime piece of evidence linking human activity to climate change turns out to be an artifact of poor mathematics. By. Richard Muller. October 15, 2004. Progress in ...

@mld-woody said:

The only silver lining here is that climate change isn't something to believe in or not believe in. It's a fact. There's consensus among actual experts. They're now just working to understand it more and improve our future. 

Sadly this has been politicized and we have the some of the dumbest amongst us holding us back. 

that is lipstick on a pig.  Climate always changes, sure.

But what YOU mean, is "man made global warming crisis OH NO WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE DROWNED IN AMERICA, NO MORE LAND, (give the un all our money so they can  redistribute it to those poor countries) and vote for democrat leftists.

   Do you remember when you used to call it "man made global warming" ? LOL

it was so discredited it had to be given a more acceptable different name, but you still mean mmgw.

Sadly this has been politicized and we have the some of the dumbest amongst us holding us back. 

We need climate justice, funded scientists approve of this message. If not they will be silenced and ridiculed so there's no conflicting 'research'.

It'd probably even be wise to invest in clean energy like Al Gore. Might as well make some money while forcing the use of EVs. Hopefully some CEOs are doing the same.

@jax said:

Nice, now you're seeing how the climate scam is a money grab.

It's only going to get worse. 

Severe Memorial Day weather: Powerful storms kill at least 22 | AP News

A series of powerful storms swept over the central and southern U.S. over the Memorial Day holiday weekend, killing at least 22 people and leaving a wide trail of destroyed homes, businesses and power outages.

@cccjwh said:

Not every state can have to socialist system that Florida uses. There is similar problem in Texas with car insurance and the hail damage. Texas requires all full coverage to included hail coverage. We just had our third hailstorm in my area this year. 

Why more and more homeowners are dropping insurance - The Washington Post

Nice, now you're seeing how the climate scam is a money grab.

Why more and more homeowners are dropping insurance - The Washington Post

@hammertime said:

That’s your response?

Thats' him being a churlish asshole again...

@mld-woody said:

Now do the military 

That’s your response?

https://twitter.com/SenCapito/status/1792995680065090022?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1792995680065090022%7Ctwgr%5E1995b833f660d673048a001340cdef7768d901e6%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/wv-senator-shelley-moore-capito-reveals-epa-gave/

Follow the money...climate scam

https://twitter.com/CJAOurPower/status/1720862862439063926?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1720862862439063926%7Ctwgr%5E1995b833f660d673048a001340cdef7768d901e6%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/wv-senator-shelley-moore-capito-reveals-epa-gave/

Everything apparently is climate change.

It was 56 degrees when we sat out and watched the Northern Lights.

Last night, it was raining, so I will have a campfire tonight to warm up the globe and make it too warm for woodpeckers.

@jax said:

You are assuming they care about the environment or so called 'man made warming''. That's why you're view is too realistic.

Being honest matters because you have to know the problem in order to fix it correctly. Such as, what is the correct temperature of the earth? How are you deciding this? You assume too much co2 is bad but if they are lying or exaggerating, co2 could be harmless or even needed. It wasn't that long ago they were concerned about an ice age. So then we have to trust these experts blindly because of science but what if we trusted them when they predicted an ice age? They were experts then as well.

Gov't doesn't exist to make gobs of money. They exist to serve and are paid with our tax money. To be in gov't is to be honored to serve, you take pride in your country and you are doing your part to contribute. Some areas you need a livable wage, but it's all transparent and approved from boards and what not. When they make gobs of money then it's you as the consumer or tax payer that's getting screwed over.

When they have a shtick, or a corrupt grift, then tax payers are being harmed in some way. If you want to make gobs of money then become an entrepreneur or enter wall street. Otherwise you're using your gov't position to influence and take lobby 'brides' and that in the end effects the tax payer.

But hey, after gov't sure unless they're using their influence to affect policies that affect us. Gores shtick isn't harmless, he fear mongered the masses and generated 'experts' that needed funding to research his shtick. As woody says, Gore doesn't count because he isn't a climatologist expert. Neither is Biden or anyone else in gov't, but you guys fall in line with all regards to man made global warming. So by woodys logic, we shouldn't listen to anyone in gov't because none of them are experts in fields they are making policies on. Anyways in all seriousness, we need honesty to even know if there is a problem let alone on how to change it.

Even then just by using common sense, it's not something that needs changed tomorrow, the climate is like a huge cruise ship, you have time to change it's direction, it's not a speed boat racing towards the docks at blazing speed. So when anyone in gov't wants to force changes tomorrow you know they're full of shit. You want to make changes that matter so you do the research, share that for debate and slowly implement it over time and there will be less resistance because you took the time, shared the info for debate and was transparent the whole time. That's different than woodys way where you just know better than anyone else, force solutions you don't need and call people names when they question it.

On top of making these changes tomorrow, the alarmist people don't even do the things they are telling you to do to save the planet. It's a joke. You're forcing tax payers to buy EVs in the next decade when you haven't even converted your gov't vehicles or your personal vehicles to EV. - Dumbass cult

I am assuming most everyone cares about the environment, that is true. l still believe that.  Nothing presented here leads me to believe otherwise. Not necessarily climate change. 

Much of what you wrote makes sense and clarifies some things for me. I get it, and it’s an understandable response. 

Resentment is at play here. Resentment for Al Gore and democrats and their pushy car salesman approach. I suppose we all get to decide how much we allow that resentment to drive what we put out there. I think there’s more common ground than not though, and l think it’s something worth building on. 

Your cruise ship analogy was a good one, an acknowledgement that we should be proactive, maybe just not as proactive as Al Gore thinks we should be. Why isn’t that message being broadcast loud and clear? 

My suspicion is that climate change has become such an albatross chained to environmental causes that it’s  preventing us from exploring that common ground. 

@ibleedbrown said:

I’d like to think it’s realistic and good. Nothing to lose and something to gain?

How important is an honest picture of the problem? It seems to me both sides are proactively working towards a common solution despite different motivations. What’s wrong with receiving recognition for those efforts? 

I don’t really get angry with politicians for making gobs of money plying their schtick. Trump included. Gore stumbled in to a schtick that resonated with a lot of people, me included. Conservationism is a good cause. 

I want my kids and grandkids and your kids and grandkids to inherit the same chance that we had on this rock. 

You are assuming they care about the environment or so called 'man made warming''. That's why you're view is too realistic.

Being honest matters because you have to know the problem in order to fix it correctly. Such as, what is the correct temperature of the earth? How are you deciding this? You assume too much co2 is bad but if they are lying or exaggerating, co2 could be harmless or even needed. It wasn't that long ago they were concerned about an ice age. So then we have to trust these experts blindly because of science but what if we trusted them when they predicted an ice age? They were experts then as well.

Gov't doesn't exist to make gobs of money. They exist to serve and are paid with our tax money. To be in gov't is to be honored to serve, you take pride in your country and you are doing your part to contribute. Some areas you need a livable wage, but it's all transparent and approved from boards and what not. When they make gobs of money then it's you as the consumer or tax payer that's getting screwed over.

When they have a shtick, or a corrupt grift, then tax payers are being harmed in some way. If you want to make gobs of money then become an entrepreneur or enter wall street. Otherwise you're using your gov't position to influence and take lobby 'brides' and that in the end effects the tax payer.

But hey, after gov't sure unless they're using their influence to affect policies that affect us. Gores shtick isn't harmless, he fear mongered the masses and generated 'experts' that needed funding to research his shtick. As woody says, Gore doesn't count because he isn't a climatologist expert. Neither is Biden or anyone else in gov't, but you guys fall in line with all regards to man made global warming. So by woodys logic, we shouldn't listen to anyone in gov't because none of them are experts in fields they are making policies on. Anyways in all seriousness, we need honesty to even know if there is a problem let alone on how to change it.

Even then just by using common sense, it's not something that needs changed tomorrow, the climate is like a huge cruise ship, you have time to change it's direction, it's not a speed boat racing towards the docks at blazing speed. So when anyone in gov't wants to force changes tomorrow you know they're full of shit. You want to make changes that matter so you do the research, share that for debate and slowly implement it over time and there will be less resistance because you took the time, shared the info for debate and was transparent the whole time. That's different than woodys way where you just know better than anyone else, force solutions you don't need and call people names when they question it.

On top of making these changes tomorrow, the alarmist people don't even do the things they are telling you to do to save the planet. It's a joke. You're forcing tax payers to buy EVs in the next decade when you haven't even converted your gov't vehicles or your personal vehicles to EV. - Dumbass cult

@mld-woody said:

Cal ... The website you "didn't know about" is fucking UN.org

You have no idea what the UN actually does or doesn't say. You only know what Red State and other right wing media reports. That's the point. 

That's the foundation of every misinformed post and thought you've ever had on here and yet you still don't get it. 

I never saw it when I was looking a few years ago, stupidass. I know a lot about the fraud by the UN. I even talked about a whole book on the corruption in the UN. I have posted so many links to sources, and you say I'm misinformed?

   You run your mouth to sound intelligent, but wow, you are extremely lost in the honesty dept.  Look, it isn't anyone else's fault, if you are gay/trans/whatever - you don't have to bitch demeaningly at every single poster that doesn't say the stuff you are addicted to.

How do you "work for a living" at your "job" and hang out on the internet all day?

   I'm a retired computer guy, and none of us would ever do that.

I'm guessing a relative owns the company you "work" for ? lol

You really do need to grow up as a human being.

@calfoxwc said:

Articles in the net don't mean they talk about it in the media. Like they do talk and whine about Israel, but not hamas. Like they talk about redistribution of wealth, but they don't talk about china and india.

But it is heartening that they have a couple of websites that bring it up. I've talked about it for many years before 2017. 

So not knowing about a couple of websites makes somebody a moron?

You can't be civil in your attempts to "take part" in discussions because you don't know much of anything.

Cal ... The website you "didn't know about" is fucking UN.org

You have no idea what the UN actually does or doesn't say. You only know what Red State and other right wing media reports. That's the point. 

That's the foundation of every misinformed post and thought you've ever had on here and yet you still don't get it. 

@ibleedbrown said:

Yeah thanks for summarizing that in one and a half sentences.

There’s weird shit at play suggesting otherwise. Reject the weird shit. Say no to weird shit. 

Right on , Dude!

@nickers said:

I want that too without the fear mongering by the left.. And do it with common sense technologies...

Yeah thanks for summarizing that in one and a half sentences.

There’s weird shit at play suggesting otherwise. Reject the weird shit. Say no to weird shit.