@syd said:

carry 3 qb's ? 

For a team that started 5 different QBs last year - is it really such a bad idea to carry 3 QBs?  We only had 1 of our starting Tackles back practicing in training camp until Conklin finally got cleared to practice half a week ago.  And he's going to be expected to play a Left Tackle position he hasn't played but a few times in 2016 and 2017.  This is 7 years and 2 left knee injuries with surgical repairs later. Conklin wasn't born to be the next Joe Thomas; but he has proven he can be a good enough run blocker at Right Tackle to be named All Pro (before the wear and tear).  Last I heard Wills will come off the PUP list on Tuesday but he won't be practicing yet.  The good news is Dawand Jones is returning to the RT position he had success playing prior to his knee injury that required surgery.  

IMO, the healthier our tackles stay at protecting the edges - the smaller the inventory of QBs that will be needed. We're walking a fine line here where careless planning could really hurt this team's chances. Here's an old my high school football coach used to love to remind us of: "if you fail to prepare; then prepare to fail."  

@flugel said:

I doubt we're gonna cut Winston; but I'd hate to prematurely lose DTR in a 2nd year showing promise worth keeping around while he develops further and gains more experience.  Living in the local television region of the TB Bucs, I've seen enough to know I worry about a guy that can throw 30 INTs in 1 season in spite of an excellent WR tandem like (Mike Evans & Chris Godwin). Some of those were pick 6s. 

Here's Winston's TD:INT ratios 2023 2:3, 2022 4:5, 2021 14:3, 2020 0:0, 2019 33:30, 2018 19:14, 2017 19:11, 2016 20:18, 2015 22:15.  The Bucs went 7-9 in that 2019 season. 

While Winston brings veteran leadership - I don't think he's a better QB for this team than DTR is today.  I realize I'm not sporting popular opinion on this so it'll be interesting to see what pans out.  Here's my worry, if Winston is who I think he is and we decide Huntley is more experienced than DTR - we're only investing in band aids while the concern about Watson seems to be increasing.

carry 3 qb's ? 

@dutch-oven said:

I didn't get to watch the game, actually I really didn't get to watch any of the preseason games this year. 

I just remember how good he looked in last preseason too, and then was overmatched once he had to play in real games. 

I'd still rather roll with Winston as the #2. 

I doubt we're gonna cut Winston; but I'd hate to prematurely lose DTR in a 2nd year showing promise worth keeping around while he develops further and gains more experience.  Living in the local television region of the TB Bucs, I've seen enough to know I worry about a guy that can throw 30 INTs in 1 season in spite of an excellent WR tandem like (Mike Evans & Chris Godwin). Some of those were pick 6s. 

Here's Winston's TD:INT ratios 2023 2:3, 2022 4:5, 2021 14:3, 2020 0:0, 2019 33:30, 2018 19:14, 2017 19:11, 2016 20:18, 2015 22:15.  The Bucs went 7-9 in that 2019 season. 

While Winston brings veteran leadership - I don't think he's a better QB for this team than DTR is today.  I realize I'm not sporting popular opinion on this so it'll be interesting to see what pans out.  Here's my worry, if Winston is who I think he is and we decide Huntley is more experienced than DTR - we're only investing in band aids while the concern about Watson seems to be increasing.

@orion said:

I like the way Tillman attacks the game.  I hope he can contribute strongly this season.  

Me too about Tillman.  As for DTR, UNTIL the very last drive of the 2nd matchup vrs Pittsburgh last year - Pitts' defense was shutting down our running game and not yielding much vrs the pass in the 2nd half. The Browns were behind and DTR had to move them without much time remaining.  The margin of error remaining meant 1 mistake = losing the game.  He completed all the throws and escaped the pocket when he needed to in that come from behind victory.  That was ALOT different than finding out at the last minute on Sunday Morning (without any reps with the starters all week) - "Hey, you're starting today against Baltimore; and they're leading the league in sacks.  You got it covered - go get em kid!"

Onto this year, even though it's pre-season - he's making throws he couldn't make last year. For example, the deep TD pass to J Thrash.  Last year the deep throws sailed on him so I can see he's been working on his game.

Otherwise it doesn’t look like a spot for MWll  

@dutch-oven said:

We really need a young WR to establish himself

Here's our current WR's.  If we wind up rostering 3 QB's, is it possible to keep 7 WR's?   

Jerry Jeudy   3    WR    6-1    195    25    5    Alabama

Amari Cooper   2    WR    6-1    211    30    10    Alabama

Elijah Moore   8    WR    5-10    180    24    4    Mississippi

Cedric Tillman   19    WR    6-3    215    24    2    Tennessee

Jamari Thrash   80    WR    6-0    190    23    R    Louisville

David Bell   18    WR    6-1    212    23    3    Purdue

Michael Woods II   81    WR    6-1    204    24    2    Oklahoma

James Proche II   11    WR    5-11    193    27    5    SMU

Ahmarean Brown   87    WR    5-8    170    23    R    South Carolina

Jaelon Darden   16    WR    5-8    175    25    3    North Texas

@orion said:

I like the way Tillman attacks the game.  I hope he can contribute strongly this season.  

We really need a young WR to establish himself this season, as it appears Cooper's days are numbered here. 

@flugel said:

Yeah, Saylors looked good as did Aiden Robbins.

I know a lot of people won't agree with this; but I think DTR should be the backup.  The more experience he gets the better he looks. 

WRs - Woods II and Thrash were fun to watch as was Tillman.

I didn't get to watch the game, actually I really didn't get to watch any of the preseason games this year. 

I just remember how good he looked in last preseason too, and then was overmatched once he had to play in real games. 

I'd still rather roll with Winston as the #2. 

@flugel said:

I know a lot of people won't agree with this; but I think DTR should be the backup.  The more experience he gets the better he looks. We made that mistake last year.  Turned out that the preseason success couldn't carry over to the regular season speed and ability of defenses.  That said, he's not a totally green rookie this season.  

I think it's a moot point anyway because Stef likes Winston and Berry might even trade DTR to be some other team's backup.  Your best hope is that we keep 3 QB's on the roster.  (it was Huntley that threw 3TD's and had a higher completion % last night....for what that's worth)

WRs - Woods II and Thrash were fun to watch as was Tillman.

I like the way Tillman attacks the game.  I hope he can contribute strongly this season.  

@orion said:

I thought Aiden Robbins did well.  I hope we can get him onto the PS.

Woods II made a nice TD catch at the end.  Thrash catches the ball.  

The new guy, Saylors, did pretty well running the ball.  

NEXT UP, roster cuts.  And the cuts could start happening any time now......

Yeah, Saylors looked good as did Aiden Robbins.

I know a lot of people won't agree with this; but I think DTR should be the backup.  The more experience he gets the better he looks. 

WRs - Woods II and Thrash were fun to watch as was Tillman.

@syd said:

and why bother ?

@packernation said:

I will be tuning in as well. Will get at least a quarter of the starters, minus Watson. Winston should be good enough to put up 14 on the Hawks D. A good showing would make the team have some positivity while preparing for the Cowboys.

And unfortunately the other game was still on until about 3 minutes left in the 1st Q.

Woods II made a nice TD catch at the end.  Thrash catches the ball.  

The new guy, Saylors, did pretty well running the ball.  

NEXT UP, roster cuts.  And the cuts could start happening any time now......

@dutch-oven said:

Are most Packers fans as annoying as you are, or are you a special case?

No one is forcing you to read my comments. Put me on ignore, like I am about to do to you.

Enjoy the season! I know I will!

@packernation said:

what are you gonna do about it

LMAO,Hey Fella's seem's like we got a internet tough guy here.

also you never did answer the question as what make's lombardo a better coach than Brown

@packernation said:

If I did, what are you gonna do about it? That's what I thought.

Brownie is fine, just glad he was never put on the helmet. The end.

Are most Packers fans as annoying as you are, or are you a special case?

@packernation said:

If I did, what are you gonna do about it? That's what I thought.

Brownie is fine, just glad he was never put on the helmet. The end.

It's absolutely  TRUE  that back in the  1950s  era many of the players did  not  want to have that little child-like elfie thing  anywhere  on their uniforms !   I could not agree any more with them.   They did win out with that. ... thank goodness.  

@syd said:

you got a fucking problem with the elf ?

If I did, what are you gonna do about it? That's what I thought.

Brownie is fine, just glad he was never put on the helmet. The end.

@packernation said:

Many here may know this already, but in 1953 Paul Brown wanted Brownie The Elf put on the helmets. Thankfully he changed his mind after seeing the design.

you got a fucking problem with the elf ?

@mjp28 said:

Hey Vambo. ...  nice littlle creature you've got there. ...  mjp.

Many here may know this already, but in 1953 Paul Brown wanted Brownie The Elf put on the helmets. Thankfully he changed his mind after seeing the design.

@vambo said:

That's just awesome!

@packernation said:

Paul Brown has 3 NFL Championships. Sorry, but the AAFC was around only 4 years. I'm sure Browns fans are proud of winning the AAFC. I know it existed, but if you ask most NFL fans they have never even heard of it. 

I respect the Browns history and all of the Paul Brown history, but it is silly to try and pretend either one is superior to Green Bay.

If you look at your comment I bolded above - feel free to show me where I did that.  The main thing I wanted to point out about Paul Brown was he won Championships at every level from high school to college to Pro Football.  

I'll be happy to use your "if you ask most NFL fans" precedent.   "If you ask most NFL fans what coach won the NFL Title way back in 1929?"  I'm pretty confident the only people that are gonna immediately know it was Curley Lambeau without looking it up are the real die-hard Packers fans like yourself.  Others would ask me if I understood how much more challenging it is 95 years later to win a Super Bowl Championship in a league that now has 32 teams compared to one that only had 12 teams in 1929.  

Next, you do understand if your team's first kickoff was in 1919, they're probably going to have quite a few more Championships than a team that didn't play its first Pro Football game until 1946 right?  

Last but not least, until they change the name of the Pro Football Hall of Fame to the NFL Hall of Fame - I'll continue to count all 4 Pro Football Championships the Browns won in their 1st 4 years of existence.  Don't even try to pretend you wouldn't do the exact same thing if this was the evolution of the Packers. Speaking of the NFL that was supposed to be so overwhelming, the Browns won the NFL Championship in their very 1st year in the league.  In fact, they made it to the NFL Championship Game every single year during their 1st 6 years in the league (winning 3 of them) before winning another one in 1964.