@nickers said:

The Browns are gonna have to make tough decisions or we will begin to witness the mass exodus of games before halftime.. Yeah.. The Browns were stupid enough to guarantee his contract... But at some point... You have to look rationally and admit... This isnt working... And swallow some pride...

The problem with everyone in high places is the inability to admit failure. 

Today, the buck stops nowhere.

Whatever the Browns do, they will package it as an "OMG, this decision is just fantastic for everyone.

Here is the problem, not just with the Browns , but will keep it here for now. There are no reporters who rip into stories and get the real truth. Basically, they write whatever is told to them by the organization and then disseminate it to the public.

Next, you have dickhead fans taking this horseshit and discussing it as though they are right there inside the organization.

Film analysts, scouts, financial experts..We have them all here.....of course non of these goofy cocksuckers actually have jobs where their "astute" skills apply.

Watson is in Cleveland because of Dee Haslam and her Mandingo/DEI fetish. There was absolutely nothing related.to football that brought this piece of shit to Cleveand.

Depodesta calls the plays. ShitMyPantski is a coffee fetcher.

THAT is the story to be written about. Simple investigation. Let Tony Grossi wear headphones for a game. Of course, that would upset the experts here who know better.

@d-bone said:

Nick is the only dude on a white horse that is coming to save us and if anyone can, it's him.... baddest MoFo on the team.  

Truth!

Batman knows how to draw a crowd to the line of scrimmage!

@texasag1969 said:

So who are you picking at #1 overall since it appeared yesterday we really are the worst team in the whole NFL?

That's way above my pay grade Tex! I'll have to stay in my lane and let others here map that course out. I'm thinking 1/4 Billion Dollar Baby has 4-6 more games in him before he is benched forever so we won't be picking at 1, but probably in the top 10 however. 

Nick is the only dude on a white horse that is coming to save us and if anyone can, it's him.... baddest MoFo on the team.  

@ibleedbrown said:

Ugh, fine. We’ll fight then. Meet me behind the Cheesecake Factory after school. 

I don’t think we disagree on anything. Stefanski is handicapped with this whole thing and l’m sure if he had his druthers he’d roll with any other QB on the roster than Watson. 

But he’s obligated to milk Watson’s chapped titties until it’s very very very clear that nothing good is coming outta them. 

Stefanski will be better off because of this challenge. We’re talking about a guy who won coach of the year as many years as not working with a weird patchwork of a QB situation.

Can we meet somewhere else?

Pretty sure Kvoethe would be there with knee pads on, hoping against hope that Baker would return to the Cheesecake Factory once more... Kind of like Linus in the pumpkin patch, waiting on the Great Pumpkin. ?

@packernation said:

am good with you and welcome some shit talk if it has some relation to sports. But not boring childish drivel with no purpose. That isn't "tough" It's a waste of time and energy. Again we are good though

and who are you to say what people can say or not say here ?

@packernation said:

This is a public service announcement. Stating that you are not as safe as you think hiding behind a screen.

Are you threatening to dox people on this board ?

@d-bone said:

Coming into today I personally saw this season as a losing one (picked the Browns to go 7-10) due to our lack of talent at QB, our best player (arguably) not being able to play a full season while completely unsure if he will resemble what he once was (if anyone can, it's Nick) as well as a very tough schedule.

^ That being said, it's not going to be easy to watch, but it's one that probably has to happen in order to have the 1/4 billion dollar mistake finally be someone else's problem. 

Hopefully I'm just full of shit and don't know what I'm talking about, but I never saw a snap after the midway point of quarter 3 today and have a really bad feeling for what awaits. 

So who are you picking at #1 overall since it appeared yesterday we really are the worst team in the whole NFL?

-Despite being hit 17 times, Watson ranked top 10 in time to throw under pressure. The line played below average but Watson made them look like a high school unit based on his decision.

-Browns ran pre-snap motion on only 12% of their plays, by far the lowest in the NFL (outside of tonight, which I guarantee won't change that number). The only other teams close were Denver and Carolina, both trying to keep the game simple for their young guys.

This is a perfect example of what transpired. That's not a bad pocket, that's not bad routes, that's a QB giving up.

@ibleedbrown said:

Dun dun dunn…

To whom should l direct my little keyboard warrior act? It’s a really shitty act. I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. 

Seriously though, l appreciate your involvement here. Some rough and tumble banter is part of the gig. I consider it therapy. You’re allowed to dish it out too. You’re among the toughest fans in pro sports here.

I am good with you and welcome some shit talk if it has some relation to sports. But not boring childish drivel with no purpose. That isn't "tough" It's a waste of time and energy. Again we are good though.

I go on the Vikings and Bears forums. There is some real powerful hatred and jealousy from their side. They have had their souls crushed by the Packers for several decades. But some good football conversations can come from that.

Now, don't get me wrong, those 2 fan bases are mostly pathetic and butthurt, but some have half a clue about football at least.

On to the Jags for the Browns and Colts for the Packers. This thread is much pretty much dead.

@packernation said:

Look on the bright side, Stefanski most likely will be fired by week 11.

And Berry right after the season is over? If Watson continues to put up 9.4 QBRs.... That will go down in NFL annals as one of the worst, if not THE worst trade in League history.  

@jrb12711 said:

After time to reflect and parse through a few clips here and there, it truly can't be stated how awful Watson was. I don't think it's dramatic in the slightest to already be considering the bench and let someone better suited to run this offense in Winston have the helm. I get the O-Line had a well below average to even bad game. But explain to me how Matt Stafford somehow still gets the job done with an even worse line, Puka out, etc? Because he's actually at a franchise level.

There's no zip on the throws. There's no accuracy on the throws. Hell, the one deep ball to whoever it was literally (and I mean literally) was thrown 10 yards out of bounds with a clean pocket. On top of all of that, the man the mentally broken. You can just see it in his face- he's washed, it's over and everyone knows it. 

I don't care it's week one, blah blah blah. Everyone is clinging on to one half of decent football last year to pretend like this isn't an absolute clown car. The fact of the matter is the next month is set up very nicely to take advantage of some wins (Giants, Commanders, and Raiders in particular). Make the right call, it's pretty straight forward.

I think you'd have to go back to the days of Brandon Weeden to find a performance that crappy. Putrid is too kind a word. ZERO accuracy on any deep passes- ten years out of bounds, ten yards over the receiver's head on one down the middle. That game was hard to watch.  

@nickers said:

The Browns are gonna have to make tough decisions or we will begin to witness the mass exodus of games before halftime.. Yeah.. The Browns were stupid enough to guarantee his contract... But at some point... You have to look rationally and admit... This isnt working... And swallow some pride...

Nickers, I saw somewhere the Browns could take a $72 million cap hit next year to get rid of their albatross.  Not unheard of, Denver ate $85 million in dead money to say sayonara to Russell Wilson.   

@packernation said:

This is a public service announcement. Stating that you are not as safe as you think hiding behind a screen.

I would save the little keyboard warrior act for someone else.

Dun dun dunn…

To whom should l direct my little keyboard warrior act? It’s a really shitty act. I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. 

Seriously though, l appreciate your involvement here. Some rough and tumble banter is part of the gig. I consider it therapy. You’re allowed to dish it out too. You’re among the toughest fans in pro sports here.

@ibleedbrown said:

Your mama’s a man.

This is a public service announcement. Stating that you are not as safe as you think hiding behind a screen.

I would save the little keyboard warrior act for someone else.

Cleveland Browns

Browns open as 3.5 point underdogs in Week 2 game against the Jaguars

@packernation said:

This is Stefanski's 5th year and has one playoff win. After what I saw yesterday, he won't be getting one this season either.

The team had no fight in them week 1. In a game they were favored in. That performance was unacceptable.

I realize the Packers lost week 1 also, but they had fight. They will have to have more fight for the next couple weeks without J-Love, but I wouldn't bet against them.

I hope I see marked improvement from the Browns against the Jags. Kevin's seat will start to get quite warm if this season gets away from him.

And by the way, the Browns are my fav team in the AFC. You may think: "Why does this Packers fan care?" I have an emotional investment in the Browns as well.

Your mama’s a man.

@syd said:

I have to  agree with Dutch at this moment, #4 seems lost in himself and I am not sure if Coach Paul Brown could bring him out of his doldrums.

Watson’s processor is about as good as my G3 iMac. 

@dutch-oven said:

Stefanski seems completely baffled in attempting to run an offense that practically every high school can figure out how to run now.

He's a play-action, run kind of heavy, multi-TE at times offensive guy. 

The Browns sold their souls on a guy who doesn't fit Stefanski's offense and whose head coach has zero idea how to replicate the offense that does. 

Ugh, fine. We’ll fight then. Meet me behind the Cheesecake Factory after school. 

I don’t think we disagree on anything. Stefanski is handicapped with this whole thing and l’m sure if he had his druthers he’d roll with any other QB on the roster than Watson. 

But he’s obligated to milk Watson’s chapped titties until it’s very very very clear that nothing good is coming outta them. 

Stefanski will be better off because of this challenge. We’re talking about a guy who won coach of the year as many years as not working with a weird patchwork of a QB situation.

@ap1 said:

Mike Greenburg just said DW's QBR was 9.4.

OL was piss poor, but 9.4.

He did have 1 TD

OL was piss poor, but 9.4.

@bbedward said:

Yea who cares about his feelings, let the $230M man ride the bench and stop wasting the rest of the talent. 
 

There is just not even one thing that looked positive from QB1 - might as well have Brandon Weeden out there. Zero pocket awareness, zero ability to see the field, zero sense of timing, crap accuracy, crap throw power. I feel like the garbage time dropped bomb to cooper was also destined to go 10 yards out of bounds, but since the hit disturbed the motion it landed in coopers arms by dumb luck. And I don’t recall seeing clips of him on the sidelines watching the surface with coaches and the rest of the QB unit after all the crap drives - they just panned to him standing there looking dumb or rubbing his shoulder.

At least I think the bungles loss is worse, that’s the one positive takeaway from the week. 

I think such a significant part of this is that the team knows what "option B" can look like with even someone who can scan the field at a base level. We saw essentially this same unit go crazy with off the couch Joe Flacco, and look markedly better. We saw Jacoby Brissett have this offense scoring almost 24 points per game (which over the last several seasons hovers exactly around a 9-10th place scoring offense).

It's nothing but stupid pride and the shame of the worst contract in NFL history that is keeping this man behind center. If he was a drafted rookie, he'd be riding the pine years ago.

@jrb12711 said:

After time to reflect and parse through a few clips here and there, it truly can't be stated how awful Watson was. I don't think it's dramatic in the slightest to already be considering the bench and let someone better suited to run this offense in Winston have the helm. I get the O-Line had a well below average to even bad game. But explain to me how Matt Stafford somehow still gets the job done with an even worse line, Puka out, etc? Because he's actually at a franchise level.

There's no zip on the throws. There's no accuracy on the throws. Hell, the one deep ball to whoever it was literally (and I mean literally) was thrown 10 yards out of bounds with a clean pocket. On top of all of that, the man the mentally broken. You can just see it in his face- he's washed, it's over and everyone knows it. 

I don't care it's week one, blah blah blah. Everyone is clinging on to one half of decent football last year to pretend like this isn't an absolute clown car. The fact of the matter is the next month is set up very nicely to take advantage of some wins (Giants, Commanders, and Raiders in particular). Make the right call, it's pretty straight forward.

The Browns are gonna have to make tough decisions or we will begin to witness the mass exodus of games before halftime.. Yeah.. The Browns were stupid enough to guarantee his contract... But at some point... You have to look rationally and admit... This isnt working... And swallow some pride...

@bbedward said:

Yea who cares about his feelings, let the $230M man ride the bench and stop wasting the rest of the talent. 
 

There is just not even one thing that looked positive from QB1 - might as well have Brandon Weeden out there. Zero pocket awareness, zero ability to see the field, zero sense of timing, crap accuracy, crap throw power. I feel like the garbage time dropped bomb to cooper was also destined to go 10 yards out of bounds, but since the hit disturbed the motion it landed in coopers arms by dumb luck.

At least I think the bungles loss is worse, that’s the one positive takeaway from the week. 

It's hard to argue with any of this.