@bbedward said:

Watson has the second worst QBR in the season, I’ll take my chances with Winston or DTR to see if they can top it.

Hey bedward ... nice to see you it   MUST   be the real   BROWNS   football season again.

@bbedward said:

Watson has the second worst QBR in the season, I’ll take my chances with Winston or DTR to see if they can top it.

Not happening. You don't panic after 3 weeks and bench your QB. But please continue to crap on the Browns starting QB rather than riding with him. Whatever helps you sleep at nite. 

The Browns have the same record as the Ravens and a game in front of the Bengals. The world is not ending. Relax.

The focus for Deshaun and his teammates is Las Vegas. Business trip for a dub. 

Let's go! 

@packernation said:

Stefanki knows Deshaun is not the problem here.

Let's get Winston in there, then some here can see what an actual "garbage" QB looks like.

Watson has the second worst QBR in the season, I’ll take my chances with Winston or DTR to see if they can top it.

Stefanki knows Deshaun is not the problem here.

Let's get Winston in there, then some here can see what an actual "garbage" QB looks like.

@bbedward said:

Multiple things can be true. We had the suspect OL last year, a QB who could hit quick timing routes really made the OL look better - at least not be under the spotlight as much. With Watson last year, this year there has been equal talk about the bad OL.

Watson can’t read the field pre-snap or post-snap for shit. He can’t call out blocking assignments, can’t read the defense, doesn’t have the power or accuracy for tight windows. The dude is obviously cooked.

A decent QB would elevate this squad and we saw it last year…he should know what coverage the defense is showing, where his receivers will be and when, know which option his receiver is taking on an option route. Watson has none of that - he’s just winging it. 
 

Sure the OL, playcalls, receivers could be better - but it’s very obvious that #4 has been the biggest issue with this offense. I mean he’s literally worse than Brandon weeden, on a team that is obviously all around much better than those teams 

We only saw an old Joe Flacco get off the couch last year and post multiple 300 yard plus game while this ass hat (DeSuck) nurses his shoulder on the sidelines.. .. I'm done with the excuses..

@packernation said:

Yes, let's scapegoat Watson and turn a blind eye to the horrible OL, clown play caller and a suspect defense.

But glad the fan base has someone to blame for another failed season. At least there is that to whine about until the draft.

Multiple things can be true. We had the suspect OL last year, a QB who could hit quick timing routes really made the OL look better - at least not be under the spotlight as much. With Watson last year, this year there has been equal talk about the bad OL.

Watson can’t read the field pre-snap or post-snap for shit. He can’t call out blocking assignments, can’t read the defense, doesn’t have the power or accuracy for tight windows. The dude is obviously cooked.

A decent QB would elevate this squad and we saw it last year…he should know what coverage the defense is showing, where his receivers will be and when, know which option his receiver is taking on an option route. Watson has none of that - he’s just winging it. 
 

Sure the OL, playcalls, receivers could be better - but it’s very obvious that #4 has been the biggest issue with this offense. I mean he’s literally worse than Brandon weeden, on a team that is obviously all around much better than those teams 

@packernation said:

Yes, let's scapegoat Watson and turn a blind eye to the horrible OL, clown play caller and a suspect defense.

But glad the fan base has someone to blame for another failed season. At least there is that to whine about until the draft.

Seriously, eat an entire bag of penises, choke and die. 

But glad the fan base has someone to blame for another failed season. At least there is that to whine about until the draft.

@jrb12711 said:

I listened a good segment on #4 today and I think it made a really good point. The OL has played extremely below average and I'm not going to argue that. However, Watson is playing so awfully that he's running into the sacks instead of making the right read on where pressure is coming. I can think of 3 times yesterday where the dude ran into the pressure instead of away from it. The pocket awareness is just gone, gone, gone.

The second part of the segment was what I feel is happening. Like it or not, the team's life blood runs through the QB position in almost every scenario. You have a guy playing fucking awful, who seemingly doesn't give a shit, and it infects the entire team.

Lastly, the throws this dude is missing are just absurd. I can't find the clip, but the play Cooper came out for on 3rd down Tillman was country wide open. Like catch the ball and get 15+ more yards. I don't get angry at these clowns any more, but that one was the epitome of this nightmare. Worst QBR in the league for a starter- just insane.

Yea he’s bad bad, the OL grades low, and Watson grades as the worst in the league.
 

At least some in the crowd started chanting for Jameis by the 4th. Total shit show

The second part of the segment was what I feel is happening. Like it or not, the team's life blood runs through the QB position in almost every scenario. You have a guy playing fucking awful, who seemingly doesn't give a shit, and it infects the entire team.

Lastly, the throws this dude is missing are just absurd. I can't find the clip, but the play Cooper came out for on 3rd down Tillman was country wide open. Like catch the ball and get 15+ more yards. I don't get angry at these clowns any more, but that one was the epitome of this nightmare. Worst QBR in the league for a starter- just insane.

@tiamat63 said:

It's interesting watching what happens to him when a team has a corner, like Denver has Sutton, who can take on Mike Evans and not have to roll help his way. 

And unfortunately for me, that has caused Evens to score zero points for me in the last two games. Now if Cook can just get two DTs or 1 TD and 134 yds tonight for Buffalo, I win the weekend anyway. He's currrently the 7th rated RB in the league, so "I'm sayin' there's a chance".?

The offense is the worst I can remember in a very long time. Yea I know OL sucks, receivers suck, quarterback sucks. Seems like it’ll be a long season.

@orion said:

Thanks.  Just before halftime the camera showed lots of empty seats.  Perhaps they were just getting a head start on the concession lines.  -  A very disappointing game - 

Browns fans at the new stadium have been notoriously slow getting to their seats at the beginning of the game and getting back at the start of halftime. 

@orion said:

Were there a lot of empty seats?

The game was packed, definitely sold out

@orion said:

Were there a lot of empty seats?

Just same ole empty heads in the FO is all. Special thanks to them for addressing the biggest weakness, the OL.?

Emerson Jr had a bad stretch of plays.  Newsome had 3 tackles and some misses.  

#58 Jordan Hicks is around the ball a lot (8 tackles).  Delpit lead the team with 10 and JOK 9.

The D wasn't great, but not bad considering they had to play a half quarter longer than the NY D.

Wills' 1st game back since way back into last season, limited in practice all week, and it showed at times.  

It's just a matter of time before Watson gets hurt again.  He didn't have great protection, but sometimes he held the ball and finally fired when the window was closing shut.  He made some inaccurate throws...but it wasn't as bad as last week.  Which wasn't as bad as the first week.  Remember, he's got this year to play and work himself into form.  He has to keep showing progress.  ( I would not call this a great game by Watson )

This was a game that we weren't supposed to lose.  At least it was an NFC team.

@kvoethe said:

His salary is like 1 mil?

The Steelers are a football franchise. They have a head coach, the Browns are a business venture. They have a head coffee fetcher

@browns149 said:

watching Fields play QB for the stoolers is making me sick

The ball comes out quick, on time and on target. Watson does NONE OF THOSE THINGS

His salary is like 1 mil?

@dutch-oven said:

Wills, Conklin and Hudson all out. 

Offensive Tackle position is a freaking disaster right now. And I don't feel like saying freaking if you know what I mean.  I'm still trying to wrap my head around why/how someone thought in the offseason before 2023 - "hey let's extend Conklin's contract." Exactly when is he going to put the pads on?  Week 16 or 17?

Bitonio has to be thinking - it sure would have been nice to know that if I was going to be out there protecting the edge on the blind side of QB - that I could have conditioned my body for it. As an Offensive Guard going against 330-340 lb DTs he trains to have more girth and power; so he strength & conditions for it as well what type of diet he follows. That said, if he's a Tackle facing quicker athletes on the edge that weigh between 250 & 275, they don't want all that extra body weight packed on restricting their agility/lateral movement etc.  That requires months of preparation - not 1-2 weeks notice. To be honest, Bitonio was actually the least of our worries today at LT after an initial shock or 2

This is a huge red flag for anyone that would ever contemplate playing QB here for what this ownership would have planned or not planned for their next choice. No thanks!  Jimmy thinks he's throwing off the stench having Assistant Coaches/Coordinators fired. I have a feeling Bill Callahan couldn't wait to bolt.

We don't have any OTs and today it looked like our RG Teller got hurt.  Pocic had to play 1 Guard, Zitner player the other Guard while Nick Harris was back at Center.  Wills is going to milk out the injured knee from last year for the rest of this year.  That's fine with me - there were plays he hit nobody anyway...

Just wow man!