@vaportrail said:

I'm not asking how likely he is to get fired - i know he'd get scooped up immediately. I'm asking how much he hopes he gets fired. He looks like he's tired of working for Haslam.

That's a very realistic way of looking at it and you could be right.  Aside from that, Haslam seems to have this enormous trust in Depodesta running things like a control freak to the extent an OC like Van Pelt couldn't call his own plays here.  Seems to me scoring 48 points in a playoff game at Pittsburgh showed what he was capable WHEN given the opportunity to call the plays.  How many other times has Cleveland beaten Pittsburgh in the post season?

@usfbrown said:

Same.  Maybe they want Vrabel?  

Like maybe the Pats want Vrabel? Done deal IMHO. 

@syd said:

Really ?  that kinda shocks the hell out of me

Same.  Maybe they want Vrabel?  

@usfbrown said:

Mayo just fired

Really ?  that kinda shocks the hell out of me

@syd said:

mayo is not going anywhere, he doesnt work for the browns

Mayo just fired

@dutch-oven said:

I don't hate the idea of Vrabel being the Browns head coach, but I wonder if he might have the Patriots gig all but wrapped up

mayo is not going anywhere, he doesnt work for the browns

@vaportrail said:

I'm not asking how likely he is to get fired - i know he'd get scooped up immediately. I'm asking how much he hopes he gets fired. He looks like he's tired of working for Haslam.

Could be. As I said, he's agnostic. I'm not sure he's cares. 

@usfbrown said:

The 2x coach of the Year excuse is just lame. 2x coach of the year is a below 500 coach that had a pretty good roster. 2x coach of the year has his team in the tops of penalties every year. 2x coach of the year had clock management issues. 2x coach of year went from a playoff team to possible #1 pick. 2x coach of the year players openly chastised their fan base. 

Give 2x coach of the year 1 more year to stop being a beta and tell Haslam what he needs to hear rather than what he wants to hear. 

I'd love to see what Stefanski could do with Jax, Giants, or Jets roster.  My guess is worse results then the more talented Browns team he has this year. 

Maybe it is lame, but if Stefanski was relieved today he'd have interview an Monday and would be hired by Thursday.

I'd love to have Vrabel. I don't think Vrabel would want the job or the chain of command. Much like Kyle Shanahan, he might vow to never come back.

Who wants to come to be surrounded by poor decision makers? Who wants to know if the GM is in charge of personnel decisions or the Analytics Guy? The Haslams are inept. They have a proven track record or not being able to make solid decisions. The rest of the league knows.

Who wants to coach an organization that has had 40 different starting QBs, burned through 12 Head Coaches and had 10 GMs in the last 25 years?

What coach wants to come to an organization that will force change on the coaching staff? That will force a coach to play a certain QB?

If it's not the reality, it's certainly the perception.

I'll defer to the math wizards in the room, but at some point, we're defying statistical odds of being so inept for so long.

Jimmy Haslam wants a yes man. He doesn't want someone like Dan Campbell, Mike Vrabel, Gregg Williams or anyone that will push back. His last carrot to dangle is a new stadium. That's the best he has to offer, if he is not willing to make changes.

Do away with MoneyBall. Get football people in the right spots to make football decisions. 

@ap1 said:

If there was belief Stefanski was getting fired, he'd be the hottest head coaching candidate of 2025. Vrabel currently is the hottest head coaching candidate of 2025. So the Browns currently have the two hottest HC candidates in the league.

Coaching Openings

Chicago

New Orleans 

NY Jets

Coaching Hot Seats

Dallas

Jacksonville 

Las Vegas

Coaching Warm Seats 

New England 

NY Giants 

Stefanski is probably agnostic on the Browns job. Any of the above franchises would hire him in a second.

I'm not asking how likely he is to get fired - i know he'd get scooped up immediately. I'm asking how much he hopes he gets fired. He looks like he's tired of working for Haslam.

@flugel said:

Rumor has it he wants Josh McDaniel{s) to be his OC.  Josh is a Matt Nagy equivalent.  Either can work fine with Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes under the Supervision of Andy Reid or Bill Belichick.  Outside of that - they may want to try high school or maybe one of the levels of college football.

FWIW, I used to like the idea of Vrabel.

@dutch-oven said:

I don't hate the idea of Vrabel being the Browns head coach, but I wonder if he might have the Patriots gig all but wrapped up. 

Rumor has it he wants Josh McDaniel{s) to be his OC.  Josh is a Matt Nagy equivalent.  Either can work fine with Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes under the Supervision of Andy Reid or Bill Belichick.  Outside of that - they may want to try high school or maybe one of the levels of college football.

@usfbrown said:

That's a great point. Who knows?  I did say give him another year. 

Vrable?  Preferably someone with a backbone.  I don't even know who else is out there. 

The team wasn't even having moral victories. We're getting blown out. Consistently.

It's funny people here in Florida talking about canning Bowles depending on the outcome of the Bucs game and you don't hear a peep about Stefanski. 

I'm just saying I'm not sold on the guy like some here who are clamoring over the '2x coach of the year'. 

I don't hate the idea of Vrabel being the Browns head coach, but I wonder if he might have the Patriots gig all but wrapped up. 

@dutch-oven said:

Who are you replacing Stefanski with?

That's a great point. Who knows?  I did say give him another year. 

Vrable?  Preferably someone with a backbone.  I don't even know who else is out there. 

The team wasn't even having moral victories. We're getting blown out. Consistently.

It's funny people here in Florida talking about canning Bowles depending on the outcome of the Bucs game and you don't hear a peep about Stefanski. 

I'm just saying I'm not sold on the guy like some here who are clamoring over the '2x coach of the year'. 

@usfbrown said:

The 2x coach of the Year excuse is just lame. 2x coach of the year is a below 500 coach that had a pretty good roster. 2x coach of the year has his team in the tops of penalties every year. 2x coach of the year had clock management issues. 2x coach of year went from a playoff team to possible #1 pick. 2x coach of the year players openly chastised their fan base. 

Give 2x coach of the year 1 more year to stop being a beta and tell Haslam what he needs to hear rather than what he wants to hear. 

I'd love to see what Stefanski could do with Jax, Giants, or Jets roster.  My guess is worse results then the more talented Browns team he has this year. 

Who are you replacing Stefanski with?

Give 2x coach of the year 1 more year to stop being a beta and tell Haslam what he needs to hear rather than what he wants to hear. 

I'd love to see what Stefanski could do with Jax, Giants, or Jets roster.  My guess is worse results then the more talented Browns team he has this year. 

@ap1 said:

If there was belief Stefanski was getting fired, he'd be the hottest head coaching candidate of 2025. Vrabel currently is the hottest head coaching candidate of 2025. So the Browns currently have the two hottest HC candidates in the league.

Coaching Openings

Chicago

New Orleans 

NY Jets

Coaching Hot Seats

Dallas

Jacksonville 

Las Vegas

Coaching Warm Seats 

New England 

NY Giants 

Stefanski is probably agnostic on the Browns job. Any of the above franchises would hire him in a second.

And if you told any of the above locker rooms and fanbases that they could hire a 2X COTY they'd be gitty.

@vaportrail said:

On a scale of 1-10, how much do you think Stefanski hopes he's getting fired on Monday?

If there was belief Stefanski was getting fired, he'd be the hottest head coaching candidate of 2025. Vrabel currently is the hottest head coaching candidate of 2025. So the Browns currently have the two hottest HC candidates in the league.

Coaching Openings

Chicago

New Orleans 

NY Jets

Coaching Hot Seats

Dallas

Jacksonville 

Las Vegas

Coaching Warm Seats 

New England 

NY Giants 

Stefanski is probably agnostic on the Browns job. Any of the above franchises would hire him in a second.

@tiamat63 said:

They occupy high titles across

just like ron jeremy.now they are all dead from aids

@flugel said:

Changes only to the coaching staff?  This FO has decimated this team...

We all agree Depodesta's Moneyball isn'[t working. Keep him around, and you're just going to see more of the same. I said it from the get-go bringing Dorsey in to run the offense was a huge mistake. The Dork-ey offence managed to score over 20 like THREE times the entire season. Bad quarterbacking? In part, but that's another problem for 2025. Just tell Watson to go over to East 9th and practice his fishing skills.  

Remains to be seen who's going to get fired for the Watson fiasco, but someone is- for sure. Super Bowl aspirations to yet another top five draft pick Just special. PS I did notice the Browns o-line was getting zero push off the ball against the Ravens. Jim Brown in his prime wouldn't have been able to do much. 

My predicting? The Browns starting 2025 quarterback isn't currently on the roster. DTR and Zappe are garbage, Winston the interception machine was on a one year contract, and Watson is an injury prone washed up shell of his Pro Bowl Texans days. Happy New Year guys.  

@dutch-oven said:

The rest of the NFL won’t know what hit them!

Yep, they will be befuddled by our brilliant draft and trades.  

@dutch-oven said:

The rest of the NFL won’t know what hit them!

Hahahahahahahahaha Suck-uz!