@calfoxwc said:

I hope the NFL forces the filthy haslams to seel the Browns.

Not filthy, just incompetent and clueless as to what would best serve your fan base.  Until Jimmuh manages to get de-hypnotized that spell Depodesta has over him- nothing is ever going to change.  

History has repeated itself via Haslam wanting to "make a splash". First we had Johnny Party Boy Manziel drink himself out of the league, That was bad enough- only cost us a wasted first round pick. Watson cost us three, and $230 million of wasted guaranteed money.  Anyone who still believes Haslam didn't green light those deals is fooling themselves.  

Though the Browns probably have every right to try and void the rest of Watson's contract, doubtless the NFLPA  would take a dim view of that.  

@vambo said:

VIDEO: Footage Surfaces Exposing Deshaun Watson For Clearly Not Taking His Rehab Seriously Before Re-Tearing His Achilles Just 2 Months After Surgery

I've worn one of those a few times - there is no freaking way - he had to have taken it off for that to happen.

@calfoxwc said:

I hope the NFL forces the filthy haslams to seel the Browns.

It's not like the Haslams got convicted of 34 felonies... 

@calfoxwc said:

I hope the NFL forces the filthy haslams to seel the Browns.

We can only hope. But unless he’s costing them money or being a perv, they probably won’t. 

That doesn't really give any of us warm and fuzzy goose bumps heading into what looks to be our most important draft in years.  The only Pro Bowl player this FO drafted is JOK; and there's rumors his career could be done already...

@hoorta said:

Highly likley.

The Browns do have injury insurance, but DW is done. I did read if he was supposed to be wearing a boot- and wasn't- when he reinjured his stupid self, the Browns may be able to void the rest of his contract. 

Besides 0-16, we're now in the HOF for the #1 all time bad trade.  

Look out the window. There has to be a beanstalk somewhere.??

The only good thing that can happen from this fiasco, is the NFL has the balls to somehow get rid of an incompetent owner, that we are stuck with. 
 

Otherwise, this is just another chapter of our nightmare 

@browns149 said:

His career is over. 

Highly likley.

@syd said:

Good who fucking cares,Fuck #4,,,so just how did this imbecile roll his freaking ankle ?  leaving a massage therapists house ? what a stupid piece of garbage. I wonder if dirtbag haslem lawyers can kind a way to sue his worthless ass

The Browns do have injury insurance, but DW is done. I did read if he was supposed to be wearing a boot- and wasn't- when he reinjured his stupid self, the Browns may be able to void the rest of his contract. 

Besides 0-16, we're now in the HOF for the #1 all time bad trade.  

@browns149 said:

His career is over. 

Good who fucking cares,Fuck #4,,,so just how did this imbecile roll his freaking ankle ?  leaving a massage therapists house ? what a stupid piece of garbage. I wonder if dirtbag haslem lawyers can kind a way to sue his worthless ass

@canton-dawg said:

I saw this floating around on social media this afternoon. . .

His career is over. 

@hoorta said:

I'm tired of the "bridge vet" crap. They're either marginal bums (like we saw with Winston) or aged starters wanting to cash in on one last payday- Cousins, Rodgers...  (forget about the Vikings letting Darnold go)

As other posters opined, Zappe is crappie, and the DTR experiment is an epic FAIL.   

If you're certain the face of the future is there at #2, you don't mess around, you just take him. There's plenty of other holes that need to be addressed, like who's going to play LT. Wills and Ifedi are as good as gone. RB need to be addressed too, as I get the feeling the Browns aren't all that thrilled at bringing back Nick Chubb this year either. 

And the FO also had no use for Kareem Hunt's 728 rushing yards and 7 touchdowns.  ? Well, I don't really want to wish Watson bad luck and yet another 2025 season ending surgery. But karma says with the insurance payout- it wouldn't surprise me if the Browns are hoping they can keep Watson on IR all year, and not waste a roster spot on him. 

If we think that Sanders or Ward are indeed the future...I agree, just draft them.  I don't think they are, but that is just my opinion.

@flugel said:

Shifting gears, if Penn State does the unthinkable under James Franklin and wins the Natty - is it conceivable that Allar changes his mind in lieu of risking injury coming back?

It’s funny you mention that, because there’s been murmurs that could actually happen. I like him, but like Sam Darnold back in 2018, I really think he would do himself a favor by going back to school next year.

@dutch-oven said:

Actually that is exactly what you are doing.

Other people on here have given ideas of what to do regarding the QB situation, while your stance is "We have no QBs, we have the #2 pick, Cam Ward is the #2 QB, so we have to use the #2 pick on the #2 QB." If you actually believed in Ward and said you think he's an excellent prospect and worth such a high pick, I could agree to disagree, but I'd understand why you are advocating for us to take him. But you aren't, you are literally saying we have to take him just because. 

Which is how teams end up with the Anthony Richardsons, Daniel Jones and such. 

OK, so here's my response from another thread regarding Ward:

Because he's the best QB in the draft.  I like the way he can sling the ball from just about any ol' position.  Does he step into and through his throws beautifully?  Not right now.  But how many times is a QB not afforded the ability to step through the throw because pressure is coming in front of him?  

Are the QB's the best talent on the board?  Usually not.  But QB's are graded on a curve because your football team is completely screwed if ya don't have one.  The LT, Edge rusher, CB, whatever is not gonna throw and TD passes for ya.

@dutch-oven said:

Actually that is exactly what you are doing.

Other people on here have given ideas of what to do regarding the QB situation, while your stance is "We have no QBs, we have the #2 pick, Cam Ward is the #2 QB, so we have to use the #2 pick on the #2 QB." If you actually believed in Ward and said you think he's an excellent prospect and worth such a high pick, I could agree to disagree, but I'd understand why you are advocating for us to take him. But you aren't, you are literally saying we have to take him just because. 

Which is how teams end up with the Anthony Richardsons, Daniel Jones and such. 

BUT, we don't want to be a team that drafts a 28 year old Brandon Weeden in round 1 when there's a Russell Wilson and Nick Foles in round 3.. Like many drafts, there's going to be better QBs drafted than the most familiar names in round 1.  The ability to find one rewards the franchise/scouts/FO that does their due diligence.  Even though they're exceptions to the rule - it wasn't like some Jed Clampett drafted Tom Brady or Brock Purdy.  When Tom Brady was drafted (Belichick/NE FO) in round 6 the Browns drafted Spergon Wynn before that.  Kyle Shanahan/GM John Lunch (Stanford Grad/SB Champion Safety) drafted Brock Purdy with the last pick on that draft class.  Make no mistake - it's not just the team that drafts them.  It's their franchise IQ to make the development process far less complicated and turbulent than this franchise has consistently done all the way back to 99 and further. Other than Baker - the last QB this team got right in the draft (albeit via the 85 supplemental draft) was Bernie Kosar (40 years ago).  

I get the QB position wrong way more than I get it right.  MY idea for a good OC would be one of our former QBs Josh McCown who's been working as the QB Coach in Minnesota. I'm guessing he was a big help to Sam Darnold this season. 

All that to say, there COULD very well be a QB after round 1 that can help this team if we did a trade-back to add more 1st and/or 2nd round picks.  I'm thinking maybe a Will Howard, who hasn't played his best football yet or you decide.  My previous Kyle McCord idea would be in round 4 where Kirk Cousins was drafted once upon a time when RG3andout was drafted by the same team in round.  Ironically, if we went this route - maybe Cousins is a FA vet we start.

Shifting gears, if Penn State does the unthinkable under James Franklin and wins the Natty - is it conceivable that Allar changes his mind in lieu of risking injury coming back?

@orion said:

I am not.  You'd have to ask Andrew Berry.  What I DO know is that we don't have a QB on our roster that should be brought back next year (save Watson, for reasons out of our control).  If you have an NFL football team with no QB at all, are you not desperate for one?  One could argue that desperate is too mild a word.  If doing something about that situation isn't at the very top of the To Do list, I don't know what else could possibly supplant it.  Now I'm not advocating for them doing something just for the sake of doing something...which is what scares me about Haslem.  Berry and crew have less than two months before FA opens.  And formulating a plan for the QB room has got to be priority #1. 

Actually that is exactly what you are doing.

Other people on here have given ideas of what to do regarding the QB situation, while your stance is "We have no QBs, we have the #2 pick, Cam Ward is the #2 QB, so we have to use the #2 pick on the #2 QB." If you actually believed in Ward and said you think he's an excellent prospect and worth such a high pick, I could agree to disagree, but I'd understand why you are advocating for us to take him. But you aren't, you are literally saying we have to take him just because. 

Which is how teams end up with the Anthony Richardsons, Daniel Jones and such. 

@dutch-oven said:

Are you admitting taking Ward #2 overall would be a desperate move?

I am not.  You'd have to ask Andrew Berry.  What I DO know is that we don't have a QB on our roster that should be brought back next year (save Watson, for reasons out of our control).  If you have an NFL football team with no QB at all, are you not desperate for one?  One could argue that desperate is too mild a word.  If doing something about that situation isn't at the very top of the To Do list, I don't know what else could possibly supplant it.  Now I'm not advocating for them doing something just for the sake of doing something...which is what scares me about Haslem.  Berry and crew have less than two months before FA opens.  And formulating a plan for the QB room has got to be priority #1. 

@ballpeen said:

This actually fits what i have thought all along.  This will give us the ability the IR the guy and at least not have to use a roster spot to keep him around.  Now all we have to do is get rid of Dorian so we can just move forward.

Sign a bridge vet.

Keep Zappe and your 2nd or 3rd team QB.

Draft a rookie in the 2nd round to be your eventual starter.

I'd still trade down 4-5 slots to get an additional 2nd rounder plus something, which would allow you get back in to the late 1st round to get the QB

I'm tired of the "bridge vet" crap. They're either marginal bums (like we saw with Winston) or aged starters wanting to cash in on one last payday- Cousins, Rodgers...  (forget about the Vikings letting Darnold go)

As other posters opined, Zappe is crappie, and the DTR experiment is an epic FAIL.   

If you're certain the face of the future is there at #2, you don't mess around, you just take him. There's plenty of other holes that need to be addressed, like who's going to play LT. Wills and Ifedi are as good as gone. RB need to be addressed too, as I get the feeling the Browns aren't all that thrilled at bringing back Nick Chubb this year either. 

@texasag1969 said:

And I'm thinking desperation means a QB at #2 overall and a veteran to come teach him how to be better. That still does not excuse the stupidity of the FO in letting Flacco go after he pulled their nuts out of the fire last year.

And the FO also had no use for Kareem Hunt's 728 rushing yards and 7 touchdowns.  ? Well, I don't really want to wish Watson bad luck and yet another 2025 season ending surgery. But karma says with the insurance payout- it wouldn't surprise me if the Browns are hoping they can keep Watson on IR all year, and not waste a roster spot on him. 

@orion said:

When you have an empty QB room on an NFL team, make no mistake about it, you are in dire straights.....desperation mode.

Are you admitting taking Ward #2 overall would be a desperate move?

@calfoxwc said:

I think Josh Rosen is available............

Ahh, cal is still butthurt that Rosen made fun of cal's hero Mango Mussolini. ?

@syd said:

so does that help the cap or just haslems wallet 

It appears, both. From a Yahoo article...

"The Browns, however, have Watson's contract insured. This means they will see some financial relief for time missed by Watson over the past two seasons. Just how much (and keep in mind the insured money does not hit the team's cap space until the following year)?

The Browns had about $14 million of his contract in 2024. With him missing about half of the season, the Browns will see an additional toll of around $7 million added to their cap space total in 2025.

Spotrac@spotrac

Per a league source, $13.9M of Deshaun Watson's 2024 compensation has been insured by the #Browns, which should lead to a small salary cap credit for the team in 2025.

These insurance policies are becoming much more prevalent as NFL contracts continue to soar.

Oct 21, 2024 398 10View on X

If Watson does not play a down of football in all of 2025, the Browns would receive $44.3 million in insured relief. This is all but $1.7 million of Watson's guaranteed salary in 2025.

Jason_OTC@Jason_OTC

The #Browns have $44.3M of Watson's 2025 salary insured for injury so there is some major financial relief available if he can not play due to the Achilles injury suffered this year.

Jan 6, 2025 1.3K 103View on X

This would be recouped in cap space the following year, meaning the Browns would see that 44.3 million hit their account in 2026 if Watson is indeed out all of 2025 as he recovers from his Achilles injury."

@texasag1969 said:

And I'm thinking desperation means a QB at #2

When you have an empty QB room on an NFL team, make no mistake about it, you are in dire straights.....desperation mode.