Jon Gruden just said on Sirius ( when asked to comment on the problems of JaMarcus and Brady ) that he wishes he had the keys to Quinn for 1 season because he has the desire, brains, build and arm to succeed in this game. Hey Jon, you're more than welcome to come here and see for yourself. I love to have him as head coach.

He's thrown a high rate in his NFL career and led all of division one football in total INT's thrown for the 2 years spanning his junior and senior seasons.

Its a documented fact. No need to be offended by it.

@drunkandstoopid said:

Since when does an offensive philosophy or plan have anything to do with a QB forcing the ball into triple coverage?

@azbrowns said:

The playcalling has been horrendous no doubt, but the playcalling didn't force Brady Quinn to stare down his target right after the snap and throw the ball directly to Foxworth. The playcalling didnt force Brady Quinn to underthrow a wide open Massaquoi by 10 yards who had the Denver defense beat for a TD if Quinn delivers the ball.

That said, I don't see how anyone thinks that Derek Freakin Anderson is going to spark anything. Three interceptions on three very stupid decisions in one half. If he isn't smart enough to know to NOT throw the ball into double or triple coverage against the best defense in the league then he isn't smart enough to be a starter.

Both of these guys suck. I wouldn't be opposed to sending them both packing at the end of the season.

If the Browns line up in primarily four and five wide sets this weekend... then maybe I'll listen to you spewing forth about Anderson being an INT machine. Otherwise, why don't you sit back and hold judgement 'til you see what kind of offense they actually run with Anderson at the helm this year.

@cmac12 said:

Dude I already beat you to that scenario. That's another big concern of mine. We'll bypass elite talent and hope get a less talented version with additional picks.

@lemosley01 said:

Now suddenly that's the reason for throwing the ball into TRIPLE coverage, and throwing another pick right to a DB.

Yeah, it's rust alright. Permanent rust on his brain.

If Anderson means 6-10 and Quinn means 0-16, then I want Quinn. I don't want some shitty mid-round pick. Give me #1 overall so we can have our choice of ELITE talent.

Why so the Browns will just trade down so they can get multiple picks that they let sit on the bench?

The playcalling has been horrendous no doubt, but the playcalling didn't force Brady Quinn to stare down his target right after the snap and throw the ball directly to Foxworth. The playcalling didnt force Brady Quinn to underthrow a wide open Massaquoi by 10 yards who had the Denver defense beat for a TD if Quinn delivers the ball.

That said, I don't see how anyone thinks that Derek Freakin Anderson is going to spark anything. Three interceptions on three very stupid decisions in one half. If he isn't smart enough to know to NOT throw the ball into double or triple coverage against the best defense in the league then he isn't smart enough to be a starter.

Both of these guys suck. I wouldn't be opposed to sending them both packing at the end of the season.

I asked him the same thing 2 days ago, read a few more outlandish, inflamatory posts from him, determined he was simply an unoriginal-attention-whore-jackass, and put him on ignore.

JosephSixpack said:

So he sucks, but the Steelers will end up with him as the backup to Ben

@inspecta said:

Word to the wise, bag him on the ignore list. Your time will be better spent because of it.

Yeah, the guy has absolutely no idea about football, at all.

I think Lum would even destroy him in a debate.

@restinpeace said:

I've seen several posts now in various threads of you describing Quinn's mechanical problems. I'd love to read a detailed breakdown of what you're talking about.

-jj

@marcus said:

Man, Charlie couldn't even fix Quinn's mechanical problems at ND, they always looked bad. Stop whining what coaching can't fix. The denial is amazing. Quinn is like the pitcher with the "inverted W".

@restinpeace said:

This is the attitude I get sick of seeing on this board. Reality comes hard for many.

One other thing. Mechanics are fixed with proper coaching. Will that solve the whole problem no. I was just addressing what was pointed out about Quinn's mechanics.

@restinpeace said:

This is the attitude I get sick of seeing on this board. Reality comes hard for many.

Dude...gotta disagree a little with the heart and soul thing. Sure that's the case for some teams i.e. the Pats, Colts, Saints....but what about teams without one. There have been plenty of good teams without your quote unquote superstar.

I mean you can't honestly tell me that Trent Dilfer lead the Ravens to the Super Bowl. Nor can you say that Brad Johnson lead the Bucs to their Super Bowl. Even the greats had other legends to help the team to victory. Without Lynn Swann, Stallworth (not Dante), or Franco Harris that Terry Bradshaw would've been as good as he turned out to be. How about Joe Montana for example take away Jerry Rice, Brent Jones, John Taylor, and Roger Craig. Suffice to say the Defenses on all these teams were superb. But more importanly they complemented each other. The offense..either they scored points or pushed the ball far enough down the field to pin the other teams offense. The Defense...when they were stuffing teams...they got the offense the ball back.

It takes so much more than a qb my friend. Can they be a key catalyst...absolutely but the one and only difference between a good team and a bad team...not convinced. All the QB is really required to do...is to take care of the football to the best of his ability. If he's a playmaker...that's a plus. I'd rather see a game manager than a pro bowler if that's what it takes to make the team competitive.

@lemosley01 said:

Now suddenly that's the reason for throwing the ball into TRIPLE coverage, and throwing another pick right to a DB.

Yeah, it's rust alright. Permanent rust on his brain.

If Anderson means 6-10 and Quinn means 0-16, then I want Quinn. I don't want some shitty mid-round pick. Give me #1 overall so we can have our choice of ELITE talent.

0-16 huh?

Things better be going in the right direction before draft day if were gonna have a chance at SIGNING a #1 overall pick.

At this point in time who wants to play for us? Sell high, or take whatever we can get.(players that is)

@greythan said:

Quinn might not make it in the NFL but its not because of his delivery. Look around, there are much worse deliveries that have suceeded both past and present. You lost all credibility by starting the thread with this crap.

He had negative to begin with...

Huh?

Quinn might not make it in the NFL but the primary reason won't be his delivery. Look around, there are much worse deliveries that have suceeded both past and present. You lost all credibility by starting the thread with this crap.

@restinpeace said:

This is the attitude I get sick of seeing on this board. Reality comes hard for many.

Hey Retard. Go get Tom brady, put him behind Alex Mack and watch us STILL go 0-16.

It aint the QB that needs fixed here. Its the whole damn team. The center and right side of the line is a turnstile (look it up if you have to), we have absolutely no running game to speak of. Which means they stack the box. And BECAUSE our line is so shitty, this prevents any of the deeper passing routes from opening up before the QB is sacked or hurried. THis is quite evidenced by DA throwing into TRIPPLE COVERAGE and still not even getting the ball close to BE. He hurried that throw before BE even looked at him, it was a prayer.

Because we have no running game, and no opportunity for a passing game, our offense is f--king STUCK.

This is going to be the absolute worst season in browns history, and no QB could do shit about it.

@marcus said:

QB's are the heart and soul of the winners. The Browns need that man. You act like everything can be fixed by "coaching". No it can't. We have some things that require upgrades and nothing else will help.

This is the attitude I get sick of seeing on this board. Reality comes hard for many.

@restinpeace said:

Ok. What do you suggest? All I'm saying is I think the problems he that he has are fixable. Is Brady Quinn the savior no but is any quarterback? Some make glaring differences while most are there not to give the game away to the other team. Very rare to find a QB that is the cure all for a team. At the end of the day is it better to work with a qb that can be coached and wants to win or one that does what he wants and could care less win or lose?

If you think you are anywhere even remotely close to getting under my skin, you're sorely mistaken.

But by all means, keep saying Retarded shit in an attempt to rile someone up.

Have any friends or anything you can go play with?

And BTW, I'm not "defending" BQ.

He hasn't done a damn thing yet, but the one thing he has done is WAX Derek Anderson in every aspect. Does that hurt your feelings? You sure do bitch enough to make it seem so.

@restinpeace said:

Weren't reps overrated (according to yourself and others).

Now suddenly that's the reason for throwing the ball into TRIPLE coverage, and throwing another pick right to a DB.

Yeah, it's rust alright. Permanent rust on his brain.

If Anderson means 6-10 and Quinn means 0-16, then I want Quinn. I don't want some shitty mid-round pick. Give me #1 overall so we can have our choice of ELITE talent.