@tiamat63 said:

Watson money + Dak money? 

Yeah.... Nah.   

That was everyone's response...

Which is why I'll be shocked if the Browns don't take a QB at #2 or possibly even move up to #1 to take a QB. Rookie QB on a rookie contract goes well with a horrible veteran QB contract on the books. 

@tiamat63 said:

Watson money + Dak money? 

Yeah.... Nah.   

Financially it points to a rookie contract guy.

@dutch-oven said:

Long time local sports personality Bruce Drennan dropped a juicy rumor today regarded the Browns trading the #2 pick and Greg Newsome to Dallas for the #12 pick and Dak Prescott. 
 

It was shot down by numerous people as fake news.

Watson money + Dak money? 

Yeah.... Nah.   

@dutch-oven said:

Long time local sports personality Bruce Drennan dropped a juicy rumor today regarded the Browns trading the #2 pick and Greg Newsome to Dallas for the #12 pick and Dak Prescott. 
 

It was shot down by numerous people as fake news.

maybe the browns were just trying to find out a leak  and just used bruce

It was shot down by numerous people as fake news.

@dutch-oven said:

Russell Wilson has signed a one year deal with the New York Football Giants. 

I always liked the guy so watching him play for 2 teams I despise like the Broncos & Stee-roids put a damper on that.

@canton-dawg said:

IIRC, we didn’t have a kicker. Did we even have a punter that game?

I don’t know I was happy to miss a good part of that game for a birthday party at chuckie cheese both party and game were bad 

@sdbacker80 said:

He had some bad turnovers. And the playoff game was bad.

IIRC, we didn’t have a kicker. Did we even have a punter that game?

@tiamat63 said:

His playoff history with the Rams is better than his playoff history with the Lions.  

You can say that with just about anyone playing for the Lions.

@dutch-oven said:

This makes as much sense as any "he was told the plans at QB and likes them" guesses we've come up with, if not more. 

He DID get quite a bit of money to be in a better mood for this discussion.  He's had to lineup with a hand in the turf when a former non-QB like PJ Walker's strike zone was opposing jerseys during Myles' Defensive Player of the Year season.  What a thing to root for - "let's hope PJ keeps his passes uncatchable."

@tiamat63 said:

Was he?  Negative turnover margin per game.  

He had some bad turnovers. And the playoff game was bad.
 

But The numbers weren’t too bad…But what really stood out we had that stretch where he transformed the offense and opened up the playaction downfield attack that Stefanski was looking for and had for a half of a season 

@orion said:

Well, he was WAY better than the other guys that we were trotting out there to play QB.  

I don't want to make it sound like Flacco stinks, because he doesn't

Make no mistake, Flacco stunk it up with turnovers.  But the others the Browns trotted out there were just bad.   It wasn't a high benchmark to clear.  

@ballpeen said:

In a more modern context, look at Geoff in Detroit. Did he all of a sudden look really good on his own or was it because he landed with a Detroit team who has really good players around him and a coaching staff that helped unlock his potential?

I'd say this is a touch of revisionist history.  Go back and look at Goff in L.A.  along with the team(s) around him.  It isn't like he was playing with slouches.   His playoff history with the Rams is better than his playoff history with the Lions.  

@ballpeen said:

We really don't know what Myles was told.

Maybe Myles was told by his agent to sign the new deal with the no trade clause, play here a year, then demand a trade after this season when he has some control over where he might go.

This makes as much sense as any "he was told the plans at QB and likes them" guesses we've come up with, if not more. 

The difference between the 1st pick and the 2nd pick is 400 points.  We'd have to throw in both of our 3rd rounders and a 6th or 7th to get the 400 number. I hope we wouldn't do that. If we did do that, say goodby to a really good running back and good offensive lineman.

If it works out we like 1 of the QBs and not the other, I just take Hunter,  and possibly look to move up from the 2nd rounder we hold to get our next best guy.

@ballpeen said:

I agree that makes some sense.

While we may argue if Ward or Sanders is worth the #2 pick, I can see the Browns telling Myles they are moving on from Watson for good and taking one of those guys and him being ok with this over him being told that the plan is to roll with Kirk Cousins or Russell Wilson for a season, then drafting THE guy next year. 

But then again, maybe it WAS all about the money for Myles, and option #2 is in play and he's like "I stopped listening once you told me you'd give me $40 mill a year..." 

Still, gun to my head, I think the Browns are taking a QB at #2. Hell, they might move up to #1 to make sure they get their guy. 

@dutch-oven said:

I agree.

What veteran QB available is making Myles say that he's happy with what they are going to do? Possibly over-the-hill Kirk Cousins or Russell Wilson? 

I think he was told that we have the #2 pick and that one of the two top QBs is coming here. 

I agree that makes some sense.

@orion said:

That's not what Myles was told.

We really don't know what Myles was told.

Maybe Myles was told by his agent to sign the new deal with the no trade clause, play here a year, then demand a trade after this season when he has some control over where he might go.

@tiamat63 said:

Was he?  Negative turnover margin per game.  

Well, he was WAY better than the other guys that we were trotting out there to play QB.  

I don't want to make it sound like Flacco stinks, because he doesn't, but any team that has to start him at QB, is in dire straits at the QB position.

@sdbacker80 said:

And if your Stefanski you made old man Joe good 

Was he?  Negative turnover margin per game.  

@calfoxwc said:

I'm changing my mind about Abdul Carter - like in the other thread - he actually has a higher prospect value than Hunter, from the NFL Redline ratings - a 7.0, and Hunter had a 6.89. I think one of those two future stars will be the pick for the Browns. We'll see.

if we talk about this current regime do or die this year and this is for their jobs.  This is most logical pick.  Myles and Carter likely equals at least a turnover a game. 

We become elite on the edges. Carter has a motor and some get off and he played as an off ball linebacker for a couple years - he has versatility.  
 

And if your Stefanski you made old man Joe good so show us once again you can do it with a guy at the end of his road that can still make good decisions.
 

@orion said:

That's not what Myles was told.

I agree.

What veteran QB available is making Myles say that he's happy with what they are going to do? Possibly over-the-hill Kirk Cousins or Russell Wilson? 

I think he was told that we have the #2 pick and that one of the two top QBs is coming here.