@syd said:

well um i could have been mistaken 

But Dart was a good call.

@orion said:

Wow.  Dart that high huh?  The majority of the top 10 picks need a QB.  It's a QB driven league.  Without one you might as well do stamp collecting.  We'll see if QB's rise or fall.  

well um i could have been mistaken 

@nickers said:

Will Howard is a bit confusing to me... Probably not the greatest practice or combine player but has a way of turning it on during game day... Then on the other hand.. I kind of see Brady Quinn.. Heart in the right place and may not be NFL ready.. I would rather have him and Dart as opposed to Milroe.. But neither of them scream franchise QB to me..

Personally... Id rather shoot for Klubnik or Manning next year or 27.

Since 2025 would be his 1st full year as the starter - Manning's family may encourage him to return for an additional season in 2026 (especially with some of the $/cake some college players are getting now). 

@orion said:

Yeah, there's that.  Ya can't have that.  You've got to be able to methodically move the ball down the field as well as hit on the long ones.  It's part of being a good QB.  And that's what's required.  A good QB.

Will Howard is a bit confusing to me... Probably not the greatest practice or combine player but has a way of turning it on during game day... Then on the other hand.. I kind of see Brady Quinn.. Heart in the right place and may not be NFL ready.. I would rather have him and Dart as opposed to Milroe.. But neither of them scream franchise QB to me..

Personally... Id rather shoot for Klubnik or Manning next year or 27.

@dutch-oven said:

airmailing receivers five yards down Field, etc... 

Yeah, there's that.  Ya can't have that.  You've got to be able to methodically move the ball down the field as well as hit on the long ones.  It's part of being a good QB.  And that's what's required.  A good QB.

@tiamat63 said:

 As a runner, Will is closer to a distant predecessor at Kansas State - Colin Klein, than he is Josh Allen. 

 If the media is guilty of one thing, it's essentially saying that any tall white dude who can scramble is Josh Allen. 

Yep. Same thing happens with black quarterbacks.

Every black QB is a "run-first athlete" in some minds. 

Or how others view middle-aged Italian men as "sexy men with incomparable wit and charm"... it's a cross we must bear. ?

@dutch-oven said:

So there is no confusion, let me say that Will Howard will never buy a drink for himself in Columbus for the rest of his life...

That being said, I watch a few Ohio State football podcasts, and one specifically repeatedly during the lead up of Howard transferring to Ohio State referred to him as "Josh Allen Lite". I was pretty stoked when I heard that.

I watched every Ohio State game last year, and Howard lead the Buckeyes to a National Title after one of the worst, unexplainable losses to end the regular season. Nothing will ever take that away from him.

His size is Josh Allen-like... His arm? No. His running ability? No. He can pick up yards, but he's not the tank Allen is. Howard is more apt to just randomly fall down untouched via an invisible sniper (Penn State, Texas) than he is to actually run someone over. 

All this being said, perhaps the Browns have broke me, but at this point of my life if I want football victories, I watch Ohio State. The Browns? I watch them anymore almost strictly for entertainment reasons. Perhaps I've given up on the idea of the Browns being consistent winners.

So for pure entertainment reasons, the Browns drafting Milroe would be very entertaining to sit back and watch unfold. I don't think it would be a move that would make the Browns a consistent winner, but strictly for entertainment? Oh, it would be interesting to watch. The amazing runs, the long passes, airmailing receivers five yards down Field, etc... 

 As a runner, Will is closer to a distant predecessor at Kansas State - Colin Klein, than he is Josh Allen. 

 If the media is guilty of one thing, it's essentially saying that any tall white dude who can scramble is Josh Allen. 

@sdbacker80 said:

The “experts” are trying to create the next “franchise QB” I heard one say that  Will Howard is Josh Allen.  Clearly Howard doesn’t have that type of arm.

Having said that someone will emerge.  I don’t see a magic bullet this year 
 

Anything before #33 is a no for me.  
 

I’m warm on the creating a cockpit and adding a couple weapons like Hunter and Henderson let Joe play out 2025.  Not SB contending of course but Exciting 

So there is no confusion, let me say that Will Howard will never buy a drink for himself in Columbus for the rest of his life...

That being said, I watch a few Ohio State football podcasts, and one specifically repeatedly during the lead up of Howard transferring to Ohio State referred to him as "Josh Allen Lite". I was pretty stoked when I heard that.

I watched every Ohio State game last year, and Howard lead the Buckeyes to a National Title after one of the worst, unexplainable losses to end the regular season. Nothing will ever take that away from him.

His size is Josh Allen-like... His arm? No. His running ability? No. He can pick up yards, but he's not the tank Allen is. Howard is more apt to just randomly fall down untouched via an invisible sniper (Penn State, Texas) than he is to actually run someone over. 

All this being said, perhaps the Browns have broke me, but at this point of my life if I want football victories, I watch Ohio State. The Browns? I watch them anymore almost strictly for entertainment reasons. Perhaps I've given up on the idea of the Browns being consistent winners.

So for pure entertainment reasons, the Browns drafting Milroe would be very entertaining to sit back and watch unfold. I don't think it would be a move that would make the Browns a consistent winner, but strictly for entertainment? Oh, it would be interesting to watch. The amazing runs, the long passes, airmailing receivers five yards down Field, etc... 

@flugel said:

Great points!  Milroe enjoyed his best season passing under Tommy Rees; so there's a pretty good trust between the 2 for whatever it's worth.  Even then, he still rushed for 12 TDs and over 500 yards.

I'm not an expert on QBs.  Maybe I'm just wishful thinking this; but I don't think this QB class is going to end up being as weak as it's rumored to be. 

The “experts” are trying to create the next “franchise QB” I heard one say that  Will Howard is Josh Allen.  Clearly Howard doesn’t have that type of arm.

Having said that someone will emerge.  I don’t see a magic bullet this year 
 

Anything before #33 is a no for me.  
 

I’m warm on the creating a cockpit and adding a couple weapons like Hunter and Henderson let Joe play out 2025.  Not SB contending of course but Exciting 

@sdbacker80 said:

Milroe if someone envisions a Lamar Jackson type role or a package at QB/ running back.

 He’s one of the best athletes in the entire class (regardless of the position).  
 

Id take him him with our second third round pick. I think someone takes him between the end of the first into the early mid second. 

Great points!  Milroe enjoyed his best season passing under Tommy Rees; so there's a pretty good trust between the 2 for whatever it's worth.  Even then, he still rushed for 12 TDs and over 500 yards.

I'm not an expert on QBs.  Maybe I'm just wishful thinking this; but I don't think this QB class is going to end up being as weak as it's rumored to be. 

@orion said:

Yes.  That's the order I envision.  Unless someone is in love with Milroe's athleticism.  

Milroe if someone envisions a Lamar Jackson type role or a package at QB/ running back.

 He’s one of the best athletes in the entire class (regardless of the position).  
 

Id take him him with our second third round pick. I think someone takes him between the end of the first into the early mid second. 

@flugel said:

what QB do you think will get drafted first between Dart, Milroe and Shough?  

Yes.  That's the order I envision.  Unless someone is in love with Milroe's athleticism.  

@jax said:

If teams over reach for a couple QBs in the 1st, I wonder if that would leave some great 1st round talent for us in the 2nd?

Absolutely Jax.  Another thing that tends to push guys back is injuries.  If Ohio State LT Josh Simmons didn't get a season ending knee injury in the October 12th game at Oregon - he'd be projecting somewhere in the upper half of round 1 as opposed to the back half (with a worst case scenario for him at the top of round 2).  Unfortunately, the 2023 San Diego State transfer was starting to play his best football for the Buckeyes at the beginning of 2024.  It's probably an outside chance but that could have a fate where he lands on the Browns 33rd overall draft slot.

Another example could be ND Corner Benjamin Morrison that appeared on Dutch's list.  A 4 year starter that didn't even need to red shirt he was THAT good. His 1st round fate change became a hip injury late last year.  Is there a worse place for a corner to get injured?  This set back has prevented him from doing any workouts for teams this Spring. That could give some team a 1st round talent in round 2 if they're patient to wait for whenever he'll be ready to compete.

@orion said:

Wow.  Dart that high huh?  The majority of the top 10 picks need a QB.  It's a QB driven league.  Without one you might as well do stamp collecting.  We'll see if QB's rise or fall.  

There's usually a curve ball or 2 so I'll ask you this question (and it doesn't have to be who you think is best) - what QB do you think will get drafted first between Dart, Milroe and Shough?  

When you get right down to it - that question was based off my assumption that Ward & Sanders are the 1st 2 QBs to hear their names called by the Commissioner Thursday Night.  That said, it wouldn't stun me if 1 of them isn't.

@syd said:

I see 3 qb's going in the first, maybe even the top 10

Wow.  Dart that high huh?  The majority of the top 10 picks need a QB.  It's a QB driven league.  Without one you might as well do stamp collecting.  We'll see if QB's rise or fall.  

@orion said:

I don't think there's that many QB's in this draft to make much of a difference.  But it's supposedly a deep draft for various positions.

I see 3 qb's going in the first, maybe even the top 10

@jax said:

If teams over reach for a couple QBs in the 1st, I wonder if that would leave some great 1st round talent for us in the 2nd?

I don't think there's that many QB's in this draft to make much of a difference.  But it's supposedly a deep draft for various positions.

@sdbacker80 said:

Value at 33 would be Henderson or Hampton, but I feel like Henderson would be a perfect toy for a Super Bowl contending team at the end of round 1. 
 

But I could see the Browns having five/six guys on their board and fielding calls to move back to 40-45 and making a pick there. 
 

Do not draft list at 33 Jalen Milroe 

 I do like Hampton a good deal, although he's a bit heavy footed at times.  Needs to lower the thigh height on his steps and really work on extended his stride at top speed.  But his eyes and measurables are quality. 

 Ditto on Milroe as well. 

But I could see the Browns having five/six guys on their board and fielding calls to move back to 40-45 and making a pick there. 
 

Do not draft list at 33 Jalen Milroe 

@orion said:

The last time we had the 1st pick in round 2 we drafted some OLineman that was rated lower than MANY other OLinemen.  (and he turned out to be a bum)  Fortunately Chubb got past another team or two so we could draft him with our 2nd high second round pick.  So, it seems that the extra time that our guys get to draft at the top of round 2 only gets them confused.  

That was the draft the Browns drafted Baker Mayfield and Denzel Ward in round 1 and Austin Corbett and Nick Chubb in the 2nd round.  3 guys that made more than 1 Pro Bowl and the other guy was able to start at Offensive Guard in a Super Bowl Championship his team won (when he had a better Offensive HC with the Rams than Hue Jackson was with our team).  Let's be fair here. He didn't draft himself when the Browns reached by 2-3 rounds on Corbett the same year Hue wanted the rookie to learn the Center, Guard and Tackle positions all at once in his very 1st training camp.  Who are the young Olinemen that the Browns have developed since this?  Bitonio? Pocic? Conklin? Wills? I'd love to add Dawand Jones but every time he shows up to training camp over 400 lbs - he predictably ends his year early on IR.  They got Teller from Buffalo who was already starting games before Cleveland.  I'm hopeful C Luke Wypler and G Zak Zinter will be ready when the opportunity presents itself. Anyway, this what Corbett ended up carving out for himself heading into his 8th NFL season... 

Carolina Panthers agree to deal with longtime starting lineman Austin Corbett ahead of free agency       

@dutch-oven said:

And Ford is on the last season of his rookie contract 

Good point.  I doubt we set out to sign him early.  Obviously if he has some sort of break out we will.  If not, we might still sign him, but it will be in that later wave of free agency once it becomes a dime a dozen situation with him being familiar with the team being the deciding factor.

Jerome is a decent player, and he has a role, but he isn't a guy you are going to throw a big number.  He isn't "just a guy" but not by a whole lot.

@dutch-oven said:

I’m as excited about Friday night because the Browns have the first pick… unless they trade back into the first round 

The last time we had the 1st pick in round 2 we drafted some OLineman that was rated lower than MANY other OLinemen.  (and he turned out to be a bum)  Fortunately Chubb got past another team or two so we could draft him with our 2nd high second round pick.  So, it seems that the extra time that our guys get to draft at the top of round 2 only gets them confused.