Fire the SOB now. It doesn't take long to identify crap leadership when you're a Browns fan. We have lots of experience with it.

@nicksilvy said:

Does this make the Steelers or Ravens the Goers?

The Steelers, I'd imagine. They won last year and are perennially good.

@hoorta said:

Mangini has a very short leash. The fanbase is totally fed up. 0-16 or 1-15 he's gone, and it's hello Shanahan or someone else with a long success resume- put on your thinking cap for other candidates.

I would love to see Shanahan in Cleveland, it would be one more reason for me to pull for you guys. That having been said, I don't think it is in the cards if Mangini is one and done. I think he would have pretty much his pick of anyone looking for a coach, and an unstable team with questions at Quarterback and a recent history of getting rid of coaches in a year or under would not be his ideal. This is really a shame, as I think Shanny could work wonders with Quinn, and would quickly get you guys to a competitive level. The one concern I would have there is that Shanny is not a good defensive personel guy. In your division, the Bengals have proven that a great O with a second tier D will not win. I could see that biting Shanny if he does end up with you. You would win games, but I don't know if you would make playoffs on a regular basis. IMHO you need a defensive guy, and one that is good at personel decisions to revamp that entire side of the ball for you.

@danamal said:

This coach isnt able to get the players to buy into what he's selling right now,maybe RAC has alot to do with that and then again maybe Mangini is just an asshole.

When you look at the drafts he has been a part of he seems to have a great eye for talent but that doesnt mean he knows how to coach it.

Rebuilding year, new coach, whatever excuse you want to throw out there this team should be focused and playing their collective asses off and were not getting that,im a realist and even 0-3 wouldnt piss me off so bad if I saw a competitive team that is atleast close enough in all phases of the game through all four quarters that gives us the chance to win and the hope that were only a few pieces away from something really special.

Are you seeing that because im not and thats what hurts the most about the 2009 version of what was once a great franchise.

Good insight, and I agree.

Mangini has a very short leash. The fanbase is totally fed up. 0-16 or 1-15 he's gone, and it's hello Shanahan or someone else with a long success resume- put on your thinking cap for other candidates.

WE'RE DEAD LAST!!! WE'RE DEAD LAST!!!

I'm one of the certified old farts on this board, and- not kidding- this is rapidly closing in on the most horrible team in Browns history. A blowout loss to the Bengals at home this Sunday will seal the deal in my book. Continued buffonery at this level will about guarantee an 0-16 season. I've seen the Lions play, and we won't beat them in Detroit. Ditto KC in KC.

@grimmreaper3 said:

I think Detroit's going to be favored against us. We are the Aurochs.

I deserve to be ostracized for that reference. Fortunately, I don't believe that it's going to be recognized here.

Been playing in Luca lately? Cant wait for 12 to come out...or is it 13?

Does this make the Steelers or Ravens the Goers?

@mopaji said:

THIS. Just play a few Exhibitions, get DA leveled up to 5, then just have him Jecht Pass it.

Problem is, we're the Aurochs BEFORE the storyline begins. At least a year, if not more.

Though getting someone to Jecht Throw it to knock out two DBs would be epic. Especially if it were DA to do it. He'd be invincible.

@nicksilvy said:

We need a Tidus

I deserve to be ostracized for that reference. Fortunately, I don't believe that it's going to be recognized here.

If I'm picking up the referance right, they at least got to their equivilent of a super bowl.

I think Detroit's going to be favored against us. We are the Aurochs.

I deserve to be ostracized for that reference. Fortunately, I don't believe that it's going to be recognized here.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=ArJt...o&type=lgns

31. Cleveland Browns: If Latrell Sprewell played for the Browns, would Mangini be worried?

@azbrowns said:

It will be hard to top a few years ago with MIA, STL, and OAK.

This NFL season could feature three of the four worst NFL teams of the past decade.

Holy crap,

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings

ESPN actually has Cleveland 29th. That will change next Tuesday thats for sure.

0-16 here we come!!!!

88fingerslewy said:

so when do the other 10,000 sites that have us ranked dead last come out? i am not trying to be a jerk, but nobody should really be surprised by this. we have one offensive touchdown in three games and that came against second string guys. thanks randy-mankok!

@clevelandfanforlife said:

From PFT

88fingerslewy said:

am i wasting my time asking which ones have us at 32? would it be more appropriate to ask which ones don't have us at 32 or do i not want to know?