@texasag1969 said:

All you read is brainwashing over there.

@orion said:

Is that the poly board?  If so, I don't go there.  It would be to scary to actually hear (read) what's going on in people's minds.

Minds? All you read is brainwashing over there. It's the cult residency. They refuse to use their own minds.

@texasag1969 said:

the cult of hate.

Is that the poly board?  If so, I don't go there.  It would be to scary to actually hear (read) what's going on in people's minds.

@flugel said:

He used to be a really nice guy that had a Richie Cunningham vibe to him before politics made him so angry and hateful.  I used to love his football posts back in the day. 

And I always enjoyed his outdoor posts, but don't see too many now after he became entangled in the cult of hate.

@texasag1969 said:

Look who woke up.?

He used to be a really nice guy that had a Richie Cunningham vibe to him before politics made him so angry and hateful.  I used to love his football posts back in the day. 

@flugel said:

I've brought it up quite a few times since he inherited not 1 but 2 very productive WRs (Godwin & Evans) in Tampa.  Those were 2 big reasons Tom Brady wanted him some TB Bucs aside from NE's cap situation at the time.  

All that said I think whoever gets the start for us will have a huge luxury of JJ, Njoku and Fannin, Jr and two very excellent rookie RBs. If the OL just does 20% better than last year's injury prone group, then our D gets the rest they need to win games. I know I'm ahead of the curve here, but I can see us with a winning regular season this year.

@texasag1969 said:

Which of course goes right back to the point I made. Baker is not an elite QB when his bailout specialist is on the sidelines. But at least he does not appear to be the fat Baker we got the year after he had a decent season here.

I've brought it up quite a few times since he inherited not 1 but 2 very productive WRs (Godwin & Evans) in Tampa.  Those were 2 big reasons Tom Brady wanted him some TB Bucs aside from NE's cap situation at the time.  

@flugel said:

Eggs-actly!  To your point, the Bucs lost all 3 games Mike Evans missed in 2024.  

Which of course goes right back to the point I made. Baker is not an elite QB when his bailout specialist is on the sidelines. But at least he does not appear to be the fat Baker we got the year after he had a decent season here.

@tiamat63 said:

 The difference in the Tampa offense and Baker sans Mike Evans is pretty noticeable.  Both on film and stats. 

 The key is being subjective about it.  Johnny and the A&M offense leaned on Mike Evans as a singular talent and philosophy.   

 The Bucs do more of the same, just at a higher level.  

 When you lose your best weapon, your offense always suffers for it.  The difference lies in is your QB capable of exploiting other potential mismatches to their maximum effect in that absence. 

 I've always cited Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as great examples of a QBs able to do so. 

Eggs-actly!  To your point, the Bucs lost all 3 games Mike Evans missed in 2024.  

@reality said:

Tractor vs. Trailer at the QB position 

 Baker vs Johnny? Absolutely. 

 Baker vs the big 3 names I mentioned?  I wouldn't go that far. 

 Not a bad idea in terms of parallel.  But to piggy-back off of your inspiration, Tractor vs Tractor that isn't as capable as hauling the heavier pulls. 

 There just aren't a ton of QBs you can hand a questionable personnel situation to and they still find ways to produce.    Case in point, go look at that 2011 Colts team without Peyton. 2010 they won 10 games, should have won 11 and ended up in a playoff pinch against a damn good Jets defense.   Year after? 2 games, with a dog fight to the bottom for thr 3rd game. 

@calfoxwc said:

lol, most of the time I wish you weren't such an arrogant fake asswhole ! You didn't have to enter or read this thread that I started. Grow up yourself. I'm guessing you "played football" at a woke college....

Jesus, your inferiority complexes have inferiority complexes.

We all get it cal, you were too much of a chicken shit to play football, which is why you bore us on the regular about some mythical knee injury that kept you from playing high school football but somehow didn't keep you from enlisting into the Air Force right after you somehow graduated. 

You didn't go to college because you are sporting one too many chromosomes and have waaaaay too few IQ points. 

Thus why you are a 70 something old "man" who writes things like "tiamsies pansies" like some weird effeminate Gollum. 

@tiamat63 said:

 The difference in the Tampa offense and Baker sans Mike Evans is pretty noticeable.  Both on film and stats. 

 The key is being subjective about it.  Johnny and the A&M offense leaned on Mike Evans as a singular talent and philosophy.   

 The Bucs do more of the same, just at a higher level.  

 When you lose your best weapon, your offense always suffers for it.  The difference lies in is your QB capable of exploiting other potential mismatches to their maximum effect in that absence. 

 I've always cited Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as great examples of a QBs able to do so. 

Tractor vs. Trailer at the QB position 

@texasag1969 said:

Hmmm, since everyone here is blaming the JFF college success to having Mike Evans, then how does that translate for the Baker Man?

 The difference in the Tampa offense and Baker sans Mike Evans is pretty noticeable.  Both on film and stats. 

 The key is being subjective about it.  Johnny and the A&M offense leaned on Mike Evans as a singular talent and philosophy.   

 The Bucs do more of the same, just at a higher level.  

 When you lose your best weapon, your offense always suffers for it.  The difference lies in is your QB capable of exploiting other potential mismatches to their maximum effect in that absence. 

 I've always cited Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as great examples of a QBs able to do so. 

@calfoxwc said:

lol, most of the time I wish you weren't such an arrogant fake asswhole ! You didn't have to enter or read this thread that I started. 

 I gave you the benefit of the doubt and thought you might have said something worth reading. 

@calfoxwc said:

I'm guessing you "played football" at a woke college....

Zero idea what any of this means. 

 I "played football"....   *blink* 

 No idea what a "woke college" would have been or looked like circa 2007-2008. 

@calfoxwc said:

lol, most of the time I wish you weren't such an arrogant fake asswhole ! You didn't have to enter or read this thread that I started. Grow up yourself. I'm guessing you "played football" at a woke college....

Look who woke up.?

@ballpeen said:

Are we going to find out by seasons end if at least one of them shows out to be good enough to prevent us from having to use one of both of next year's first rounders in search of another QB?

Right!  That's the $64K question.

@tiamat63 said:

I'm struggling to picture this being said by a grown (allegedly hetero) man. 

Sometimes I just wish you weren't so fuckin weird bud.  

lol, most of the time I wish you weren't such an arrogant fake asswhole ! You didn't have to enter or read this thread that I started. Grow up yourself. I'm guessing you "played football" at a woke college....

@calfoxwc said:

but, wait, tiamsies pansies, 

I'm struggling to picture this being said by a grown (allegedly hetero) man. 

Sometimes I just wish you weren't so fuckin weird bud.  

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/football/buccaneers-qb-baker-mayfield-gets-shocking-news-on-future/ar-AA1xFtGV

"Mayfield finished third in the NFL in passing yards (4,500), second in touchdowns (41) while also shocking opponents by running for a career high 378 yards and 3 touchdowns while averaging 6.3 yards per carry."

I did not write:

Oh, look, another article about Baker Mayfield - someone believes the Browns should add both Mayfield and Chubb to the Ring of Honor.

FYI, I didn't write this one either !

https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nfl/browns-urged-make-major-baker-mayfield-move-2086412

Browns Urged to Make Major Baker Mayfield Move

@calfoxwc said:

you are going all in on being a wimp again?

What nonsense are you on about, I never seem to know. 

@texasag1969 said:

To dream the impossible dream! Just go to the poliboard for confirmation of fixations on that.

If I wanted to talk to retards I'd go to a disability home. 

@tiamat63 said:

 The fuck?  You can tell it's peak off-season.   We're talking about a QB that will starting his 4th season off our roster.

Cal, you hold onto singular fixations like the tenacity of a true sociopath.  Learn to let things go.  

you are going all in on being a wimp again? You were so wrong about watson you are trying to hide it? 

The article link I posted is dated June 6, 2025. I didn't write the article - just posted it. It was news. You ran your fake ego mouth against Baker incessantly so freaking much, but now that he is a star in Tampa Bay, you want everyone else to keep real quiet, lest you cry and lose your bearings. 

  Have a nice big mouth faker day. LOL