wait, would you like to discuss Maryland?

https://wtop.com/local/2025/08/it-just-wouldnt-be-fair-marylands-only-republican-congressman-responds-to-moores-redistricting-threat/

It just wouldn’t be fair:’ Maryland’s only Republican congressman responds to governor’s redistricting threat

@mld-woody said:

@jafbf said:

Nothing ever happens   .   .   .   

Things are different this time.

This is a good one to watch.

when is she done?

@vaportrail said:

They're more competent than you think, but they're just retarded for not considering the consequences. The Colorado judiciary activists successfully took Trump off the ballot, and he only got placed on it because of checks and balances from the legislature. The NY AG successfully brought trumped up felony charges against Trump, but didn't think that this would actually make him look good and them look bad to the electorate. 

If you really think that the redistricting is not on the same level as the above (or worse), then there's really no point in further discussion. 

Redistricting in combination with the items I mentioned above, among others. 

But alright, we can end it here. 

@mld-woody said:

Who exactly are my people?

Jim Harbaugh? Blake Corum? LOL

@mld-woody said:

Both parties do what they can to win. Dems are generally pretty terrible at everything. Either they try to take the morale high ground or they're incompetent. Probably more the latter. 

I love a good "both sides" too, but it's very clear in this instance both sides aren't the same. 

They're more competent than you think, but they're just retarded for not considering the consequences. The Colorado judiciary activists successfully took Trump off the ballot, and he only got placed on it because of checks and balances from the legislature. The NY AG successfully brought trumped up felony charges against Trump, but didn't think that this would actually make him look good and them look bad to the electorate. 

If you really think that the redistricting is not on the same level as the above (or worse), then there's really no point in further discussion. 

@vaportrail said:

The point I'm making is that both parties are creative at finding ways within the law to disenfranchise their opponents' supporters. For you to suggest they're only playing by "the Reps game" is willfully ignoring a lot of shit the DNC pulled from Trump's first run through Biden's presidency. 

We disagree at the level of "gamesmanship" in both instances, clearly. In this instance here we're talking about redistricting to generate additional seats. The inciting incident was a demand from Trump to redraw districts mid cycle in Texas. That's what the Reps did. Follow up redistricting in Cali by Dems is now in response to that. It is playing the Reps game. 

Both parties do what they can to win. Dems are generally pretty terrible at everything. Either they try to take the morale high ground or they're incompetent. Probably more the latter. 

But after all the shit that has been attempted and will continue to be attempted (2020 election fraud claims, asking states to "find votes", attempting to end mail in voting, reducing the # of polling places in Dem areas, and whatever else I'm guessing is laid out in Project 2025) it's pretty damn clear the MAGA Reps are pushing this "game" further and are playing it more. 

I love a good "both sides" too, but it's very clear in this instance both sides aren't the same. 

@mld-woody said:

I'm saying, in this instance, they either try to play the Reps game and attempt to keep up or they do nothing and fall further behind. 

The de-ballot and imprison comments aren't worth hashing out. If you think Trump is innocent of everything levied against him, then so be it. 

The point I'm making is that both parties are creative at finding ways within the law to disenfranchise their opponents' supporters. For you to suggest they're only playing by "the Reps game" is willfully ignoring a lot of shit the DNC pulled from Trump's first run through Biden's presidency. 

@vaportrail said:

I'm not sure how you can take a look at the data and suggest that gerrymandering is only abused by one side. These are the consequences of trying to de-ballot and imprison the guy who most voters wanted in office. 

I'm not saying they don't gerrymander (the studies on the subject would tell you Reps abused it more in modern history though). Both sides do it and I'd prefer if every district was drawn by an independent committee. I said this already. 

I'm saying, in this instance, they either try to play the Reps game and attempt to keep up or they do nothing and fall further behind. 

The de-ballot and imprison comments aren't worth hashing out. If you think Trump is innocent of everything levied against him, then so be it. 

@vaportrail said:

I'm not sure how you can take a look at the data and suggest that gerrymandering is only abused by one side. These are the consequences of trying to de-ballot and imprison the guy who most voters wanted in office. 

 yet, only one party has allowed our  border to be flooded by millions of UNvatted illegal sombitches, to have a new totally dependent demographic vote-wise.

@mld-woody said:

I don't think they really have a choice. Trump ordered Texas to find more seats, and they did, redistricting norms be damned. I'm sure the party will continue to find ways to stack the deck mid census cycle. 

Dems either do nothing, and massively fall behind, or they do something and fall behind less. 

Reps are playing by their own set of rules and Dems need to wake up to that and fully suit. Or we'll just see more stacking the deck by stretching what's possible in favors of conservatives (gerrymandering, vote suppression, etc)

I'm not sure how you can take a look at the data and suggest that gerrymandering is only abused by one side. These are the consequences of trying to de-ballot and imprison the guy who most voters wanted in office. 

@vaportrail said:

Tough to see how getting into this race is a good idea if you're DNC leadership. 

It's going to be worse than this, squaring up of Districts is just going to be "Icing on Cake" (later / elsewhere).

@hammertime said:

Nothing ever happens to these people.

ill wait.

and hope.

Nothing ever happens   .   .   .   

Things are different this time.

@mld-woody said:

I don't think they really have a choice. Trump ordered Texas to find more seats, and they did, redistricting norms be damned. I'm sure the party will continue to find ways to stack the deck mid census cycle. 

Dems either do nothing, and massively fall behind, or they do something and fall behind less. 

Reps are playing by their own set of rules and Dems need to wake up to that and fully suit. Or we'll just see more stacking the deck by stretching what's possible in favors of conservatives (gerrymandering, vote suppression, etc)

Dems do nothing? Are you fucking serious? They wrote the book on gerrymandering.

@mld-woody said:

***FART FART FART***********

Stinking up the forum AGAIN ?

The left/dems shafted republicans in Texas, and are famous for doing the same in California, etc.

fixing it is what is fair.

@vaportrail said:

Tough to see how getting into this race is a good idea if you're DNC leadership. 

I don't think they really have a choice. Trump ordered Texas to find more seats, and they did, redistricting norms be damned. I'm sure the party will continue to find ways to stack the deck mid census cycle. 

Dems either do nothing, and massively fall behind, or they do something and fall behind less. 

Reps are playing by their own set of rules and Dems need to wake up to that and fully suit. Or we'll just see more stacking the deck by stretching what's possible in favors of conservatives (gerrymandering, vote suppression, etc)

@vaportrail said:

It's going to be hilarious seeing all these boomers hiring zoomers who are comfortable with AI, but don't bother to verify. A bunch of them are going to see initially passable results, fire all the competent people they don't want to pay, and then be left with zoomie and AI who have no idea what the fuck they're doing. I have already seen a bunch of viral linkedin posts of boomer bosses touting the first half of this scenario. 

I agree with you here completely. Companies will chase shareholder value by implementing AI and cutting entry level jobs. They'll get that short term boost. 

But long term that's a gap in developing and investing in their future managers and leaders. 

I've seen plenty of early college analysts absolutely crank out work in excel, great models, etc., and then have no idea what the numbers actually mean. AI is only going to make that worse. 

@mld-woody said:

I absolutely would not implicitly trust whatever data it spits out. At most I use it now as an advanced Wikipedia, making sure to ask for sources, and then directly checking each source. 

Find, don't trust, and verify 

I'm very concerned about students coming through school now with the crutch of AI. This probably sounds like older generations complaining about calculators, but those calculators didn't do the thinking for you. I'm in the consulting world and I'm seeing it with the analysts right out of school excessively relying on AI. 

It's a weird situation too, because their jobs are going to be on the chopping block for AI when more sr consultants can handle client relationships, speak as experts, and do the conceptual problem solving. An AI can spit out pages and Excel models. But, if you let an AI replace these entry level roles you don't have a base to grow into leadership. 

It's going to be hilarious seeing all these boomers hiring zoomers who are comfortable with AI, but don't bother to verify. A bunch of them are going to see initially passable results, fire all the competent people they don't want to pay, and then be left with zoomie and AI who have no idea what the fuck they're doing. I have already seen a bunch of viral linkedin posts of boomer bosses touting the first half of this scenario. 

@westside-steve said:

Well, I have no complaint with a I, and yes, I know. It doesn't know the difference between bullshit and straight up once in a while. But on the other hand it's not actively twisted toward left or right. Like google.

Of course, it's always funny to see people switch hats on gerrymandering, depending on whose side benefits.

WSS

Depending on the AI you're using it can easily spit out biased responses. Musk's AI is a documented example of this. I would trust any of them implicitly. 

I agree, people should stay firm in their political ideological convictions. That's something not seen on this board though, and that's very clear based on those following MAGA over their supposed conservative principles. 

I oppose all gerrymandering and think all redistricting should be done by a completely independent board at the same frequency of he census. 

@vaportrail said:

It's actually really damn good at parsing raw data. For now, I draw the line at letting AI interpret the data, it's still susceptible to unknown biases. But when I need to find an exact Medicare guideline for them to cover a specific service, I let AI find what I need and verify. 

I absolutely would not implicitly trust whatever data it spits out. At most I use it now as an advanced Wikipedia, making sure to ask for sources, and then directly checking each source. 

Find, don't trust, and verify 

I'm very concerned about students coming through school now with the crutch of AI. This probably sounds like older generations complaining about calculators, but those calculators didn't do the thinking for you. I'm in the consulting world and I'm seeing it with the analysts right out of school excessively relying on AI. 

It's a weird situation too, because their jobs are going to be on the chopping block for AI when more sr consultants can handle client relationships, speak as experts, and do the conceptual problem solving. An AI can spit out pages and Excel models. But, if you let an AI replace these entry level roles you don't have a base to grow into leadership.