@ballpeen said:

am in favor of moving on from Hopkins.

And missing point after attempts should be enough to dismiss.

@ballpeen said:

With us signing Hopkins to a guaranteed contract, having him in camp was a given.

You are right.  But I hope you are not right at 4pm on Tuesday.

@orion said:

I don't see how anyone can have any faith in him.  If I had been running TC I'd have had 2 kickers in camp but neither would've been Hopkins.  And I'd keep shuffling them in and out until I found one that could kick it straight.  

With us signing Hopkins to a guaranteed contract, having him in camp was a given.

@ballpeen said:

I knew Hopkins missed some PAT's

I don't see how anyone can have any faith in him.  If I had been running TC I'd have had 2 kickers in camp but neither would've been Hopkins.  And I'd keep shuffling them in and out until I found one that could kick it straight.  

@orion said:

According the back of my envelope:   But boy when Hopkins missed that XP against the Rams, he missed it by a mile.  Looked like one of my pull-hooks off the tee.  

Hopkins   PAT = 4 of 6    FG = 3 for 3,     23, 28, 46

Szmyt      PAT = 1  of 1     FG = 3 for 3,     33, 37, 49

I knew Hopkins missed some PAT's.  I wasn't sure about Szmyt.

@ballpeen said:

I haven't paid attention to his kicking in camp.  Has he displayed inaccuracy?  I know that Hopkins has.

According the back of my envelope:   But boy when Hopkins missed that XP against the Rams, he missed it by a mile.  Looked like one of my pull-hooks off the tee.  

Hopkins   PAT = 4 of 6    FG = 3 for 3,     23, 28, 46

Szmyt      PAT = 1  of 1     FG = 3 for 3,     33, 37, 49

@canton-dawg said:

Anyone with a Facebook account should check out this clip on the game Adin Huntington had. . .
 

https://fb.watch/BIx4BKdNvX/?

Low man wins. How did this guy not get drafted? I know it’s one game but goodness…

To quote Oliver Twist, “please sir, l want some more.”

@canton-dawg said:

Anyone with a Facebook account should check out this clip on the game Adin Huntington had. . .
 

https://fb.watch/BIx4BKdNvX/?

He's been doing this every game.

https://fb.watch/BIx4BKdNvX/?

@ballpeen said:

I haven't paid attention to his kicking in camp.  Has he displayed inaccuracy?  I know that Hopkins has.

Hopkins is on thin ice IMHO. He missed 6 FGs & 3 XPs last year, has missed 2 XPs in preseason. 

He was very good in 2023 & they extended his contract. I don't know what happened to his psych, but it's not good 

@ballpeen said:

I haven't paid attention to his kicking in camp.  Has he displayed inaccuracy?  I know that Hopkins has.

Good question.  I don't really find much info on how the kickers are doing; but that might be because I'm not looking for it.  

While we're at it - our Punter Corey Bojorquez looked good.  When this guy stays healthy - he's a very good punter.  

@orion said:

I'll take the counterpoint.  I think Hopkins gets the boot....or gets an encounter with the Grim Turk.  

He might.  That said, he was on fire before that puzzling Flugel pulls every last hair out of his head move watch his decision "hey I think I can catch this KR."  After that, he's never been the same.  He isn't looking bad this year; but that's a hefty contract.  Being from Upstate NY - Syracuse was always my 2nd favorite team. To give you an idea how good they were - my favorite team (Ohio State) was televised at least twice as much.  See what happens when ya win?

Former Groza Award winner as the nation's best kicker in college football as a true freshman at Syracuse sure made Andre Szmydt an interesting signing here.  Syracuse plays in a dome - Cleveland does not.  The other Groza Award winner Arizona (Zane Gonzalez) Kicked in a warm & dry climate - Cleveland kickers kick in a Great Lake climate that ain't dry that includes cold temperatures and swirling winds off the lake.  The here and now - he drilled the game winning kick right down the middle. I wouldn't mind it if he could upgrade the accuracy and reliability especially when it all comes down to FG in the closing seconds...

@vaportrail said:

Gabriel reminds me of Colt Mccoy, but in a better offense. Stefanski hasn't asked him to push the ball downfield much, but he hasn't needed to.

All true.  The good thing is he seems pretty accurate in tight spaces for the most part.  When teams game plan for him, he may be a little more susceptible to rookie mistakes.  All in all, none of our QBs or RBs want to play behind that last line we had out there.  Lotta learning ahead; but fixing mistakes on the fly sure gets expedited with a good line up front.

@orion said:

I'll take the counterpoint.  I think Hopkins gets the boot....or gets an encounter with the Grim Turk.  

I would rather go with the young guy.  Hopkins is having the same problem he had with his last team.

@ibleedbrown said:

Hawaii 5’9… that’s pretty good, lol

Maybe Hawaii 509 is better.

@ibleedbrown said:

I would guess Hopkins gets the nod to start the season, but the leash will be short.

I'll take the counterpoint.  I think Hopkins gets the boot....or gets an encounter with the Grim Turk.  

@jrb12711 said:

I can’t wait for the talking head to try and word smith Sanders come Monday. That was the definition of a turd sandwich 

That should quiet any "Lets start Shedeur as fast as possible" talk, you would think. 

I'm still sticking with the thought that there is going to be a ton of fighting about these QBs this season while the actual Browns franchise QB is still playing college football this fall. 

@bbedward said:

They are gonna have to eat Hopkins cap at this point, he turned into too big of a liability. 

I would guess Hopkins gets the nod to start the season, but the leash will be short.

@kvoethe said:

Hawaii 5'9 seems to be the better Qb.  

Hawaii 5’9… that’s pretty good, lol

@texasag1969 said:

Sanders has not learned how to step up into the pocket.

I don't believe it's a matter of "learning"  I believe it's a matter of having it ingrained as a 2nd nature, worrying about the throw first and contact second. 

In short, Shedeur simply looked like he's just completely unwilling to take contact while within the pocket.  "The training is nothing, the will is everything" 

He drops his eyes to protect himself and the ball doesn't move.     I get it's pre-season, but it's bitchmade.  If you're upset at your spot on the depth chart, don't take it out like this.   If you had a bad game where nothing seemed to go right, then it's a different story.    

@bbedward said:

They are gonna have to eat Hopkins cap at this point, he turned into too big of a liability. 

This

@orion said:

Right!  He looks to get outside of the tackles.  Or he spins around in circles while giving ground while holding the ball out there like a pinata.  He hasn't learned how to throw the ball away.  It's too bad because we saw that he CAN be a good passer....but first he's going to have to learn how to be a QB.

Like Gabriel, Sanders has some feet to extend plays with proper timing.  But neither are athletic enough to consistently break away from edge rushes off script and not pay for it quite a bit.

@vaportrail said:

Gabriel reminds me of Colt Mccoy, but in a better offense.

Gabriel can probably grow a better mustache'.   

@vaportrail said:

Stefanski hasn't asked him to push the ball downfield much, but he hasn't needed to.

Oh he has, as I detailed in game 2.  He just wasn't very good at it when it wasn't outside the numbers.