@calfoxwc said:

Looking back, Gabriel had a tremendous amount of terrific talent around him at Oregon. Went and looked at his stats in college(s):

He can play, but the Browns' talent on offense never all gets together, and he is a rookie. He has to be extremely frustrated.  

I don't know if you caught the A&M - LSU game, but Nussmeier got sacked almost the first play by a player who reminds me a lot of Von Miller. He ended up sacked 7 times in the game and knocked down another 11 just as he released the pass. By the end he was so frustrated he took himself out of the game. Like the Browns, the LSU tackles were turning into turnstiles for the Aggie D line. Which is why they got outscored 35-0 the second half until A&M sent in all subs to go against the sub QB for the last TD.

@sdbacker80 said:

I like Kevin.  We will do worse IMO with a replacement. He will be HC in the league if he’s out of a job. 

You can’t win with a limited QB, two twin turnstiles for some of the year and the worst collection of WRs in the NFL.  There is no scheme or game plan to work around that. 

Having said that. I hated the Ken Dorsey move last year.  

Looking back, Gabriel had a tremendous amount of terrific talent around him at Oregon. Went and looked at his stats in college(s):

He can play, but the Browns' talent on offense never all gets together, and he is a rookie. He has to be extremely frustrated.  I remember Terry Bradshaw saying early on, he nearly got booed out of Pittsburgh, he played so badly.

The Browns desperately need to rebuild their oline, and get a dynamic star wr.

Big trouble if Bitonio retires, and/or Teller gets hurt.

the move up to the NFL - they say is so much faster, etc. Just a bad situation to put Gabriel in.

@bob806 said:

Damn guys, all this Browns losing is making us turn on each other. Let's not drive people out of here, it's sadly becoming a ghost town for who knows what reason(s).

The world would be boring if we all agreed on everything. We're all here for one reason.....our love for the Browns.

Besides another lousy season, the thing that's pissing me off is how AFC teams who were kind of down have turned it around ( Denver, Indianapolis, New England), and here we are talking about tanking, draft picks, & play calling. 

My theory is Haslam is giving Berry & Stefanski more time to turn this around because he realizes the DW situation crippled this team far worse than even DePodesta could have imagined (analyzed). 

Unless the players totally revolt, they're running everything back in 2026. 

I'm in the acceptance stage, even though I hate what's going on. I admit, I was overly-optimistic about 2025 even though I saw the difficult starting schedule. I urge all to join me.

Go Browns.

Well, sure, if you are going to go in a mature, reasonable and smart attitude, but.....

lol

@axe said:

When cal gets all up in his cal feelings  and starts his manic posting all over the Browns forum, a smart ass response from me will be a given. ?

@axe said:

?

When Dutch says it 4 times in a row in 4 different posts, he'll be on par with me and cal.? 

However, my own hand picked by me FFL team won the weekend $40 prize again last night. So there's that!?? 

I will admit however that a friend in the league picked this guy for me on redraft because I was in England unable to participate.  

@dutch-oven said:

Sweet Jesus, the 70 something toddler must have a full diaper today. 
 

Your inferiority complexes have inferiority complexes, cal.

@tiamat63 said:

And never call me a liar again. 

Think ya got the wrong guy there

@reality said:

While a bit of exaggeration on the WRs

It is an exaggeration, a bit, isn't it?  Or, is it, really?  (or should I say, is it in Reality)    

@orion said:

CAN WE ALL LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS PATRIOTS THREAD?

The Patriots haven't been relevant since Brady left.  WHY?   Quarterback!  They drafted 4th last April....after Drake Maye's rookie season.  THIS year Maye is showing that he's not a rookie any more...and that he's not Mack Jones.

The Patriots whiffed on the QB selection.  So they went back up to the plate and drafted another one.  (and then the next draft they drafted an OT)

You've gotta have the QB.  We, of any fans, should know this by now.  We can take our aggressions out on the HC, GM, Jimmuh, Dee, the son-in-law, DePodesta, whomever ya want...but all the new suits & ties ya wanna bring in aren't going to make much of a difference if they'll be using a midget rookie 3rd round QB and Practice Squad receivers.  

While a bit of exaggeration on the WRs (at least last year and this), all well said.

The Patriots haven't been relevant since Brady left.  WHY?   Quarterback!  They drafted 4th last April....after Drake Maye's rookie season.  THIS year Maye is showing that he's not a rookie any more...and that he's not Mack Jones.

The Patriots whiffed on the QB selection.  So they went back up to the plate and drafted another one.  (and then the next draft they drafted an OT)

You've gotta have the QB.  We, of any fans, should know this by now.  We can take our aggressions out on the HC, GM, Jimmuh, Dee, the son-in-law, DePodesta, whomever ya want...but all the new suits & ties ya wanna bring in aren't going to make much of a difference if they'll be using a midget rookie 3rd round QB and Practice Squad receivers.  

@nickers said:

Says the bald headed drunk Otis Campbell..

oohhhh  that hurt , damn, you witty

@syd said:

WOW 3rd grade insults,  Grow the fuck up

Says the bald headed drunk Otis Campbell..

@calfoxwc said:

Stupanskis

@nickers said:

Shitmypantski

WOW 3rd grade insults,  Grow the fuck up

Coughlin last few years (and some in-between years) with the GMen were not exactly stellar when there were roster issues.

Heck, one can also look at BB.  

If the argument is that KS could possibly be getting "more" out of the roster the last two years, sure that is possible.  But what is that definition of "more"?  Based on the roster issues at QB and OL I dont see much more than a couple of wins, and being a few rankings higher then they have been for the offense.  It is not like we have seen these teams outright quit (we have seen that in the past), or a bunch of reports of turmoil which typically occurs when confidence within the building (players, coaches, FO) has been lost

This is not to say that perhaps come next year CLE should not turn over the coaching and FO.  It may just be time.  Even if just based upon the typical nature of the NFL.  But much like when  folks wanted new ownership,  or many of the past coaching/FO turn over, careful what you wish for....

The world would be boring if we all agreed on everything. We're all here for one reason.....our love for the Browns.

Besides another lousy season, the thing that's pissing me off is how AFC teams who were kind of down have turned it around ( Denver, Indianapolis, New England), and here we are talking about tanking, draft picks, & play calling. 

My theory is Haslam is giving Berry & Stefanski more time to turn this around because he realizes the DW situation crippled this team far worse than even DePodesta could have imagined (analyzed). 

Unless the players totally revolt, they're running everything back in 2026. 

I'm in the acceptance stage, even though I hate what's going on. I admit, I was overly-optimistic about 2025 even though I saw the difficult starting schedule. I urge all to join me.

Go Browns.

@nickers said:

I believe a Tom Coughlan or Bill Parcells could get more mileage than this buffoon does so a direct answer is yes.. Winning the game?.. Yeah that's debatable.. The bottom line here... is.. He is LOSING! The name thing.. Nothing clever about it.. But the guy sucks... So yeah.. He deserves it.. He sucks so bad even Stephon Diggs wanted to get away from him...

I want to make sure we're clear, I was asking for current coaches.

- Bill Parcells is a HoF head coach.  If you're saying a HoF coach could possibly get more out of this squad, then... yeah, sure.  I would be inclined to agree.

- Tom Coughlan, who was fired from his first gig in Jacksonville, was a head coach who rode the coat-tails of having superior OC/DC's on his staff, including Steve Spagnuolo, who is likely going down as a HoF coach himself.  While having having underperforming seasons pretty much marred his coaching career every year but two.   

 You'll forgive me if that isn't a widely impressive list.    If anything, Coughlan would absolutely fit your mold of Stefanski.

@nickers said:

I believe a Tom Coughlan or Bill Parcells could get more mileage than this buffoon does so a direct answer is yes.. Winning the game?.. Yeah that's debatable.. The bottom line here... is.. He is LOSING! The name thing.. Nothing clever about it.. But the guy sucks... So yeah.. He deserves it.. He sucks so bad even Stephon Diggs wanted to get away from him...

up arrow ! (ran out of em)

@tiamat63 said:

 Don't you think it's just a *little* odd to have un-clever attempts at nicknames for people you don't like?   And don't you notice the, I guess I'll say "brand" of people who do that on here? 

Look, I want to like you.  But I need people to be reasonable. 

I think there's a collective short term memory here. 

Hue Jackson was awful 

Pat Shurmur was awful 

Freddie Kitchens was awful 

Jim O Neil was fucking horrendous 

When we over-apply words, they lose the gravity of their impact. 

I'd ask you this, would a great head coach have beaten the Patriots with this roster? 

I believe a Tom Coughlan or Bill Parcells could get more mileage than this buffoon does so a direct answer is yes.. Winning the game?.. Yeah that's debatable.. The bottom line here... is.. He is LOSING! The name thing.. Nothing clever about it.. But the guy sucks... So yeah.. He deserves it.. He sucks so bad even Stephon Diggs wanted to get away from him...

@tiamat63 said:

Sorry, I said "confuse" instead of "fool" 

The point remains the same for both you and I.   

And never call me a liar again. 

ok, dumbass.

I said: "The Browns need a leader, to inspire the team, fool defenses with his playcalling"

@calfoxwc said:

I know @calfoxwc likes to say dumb shit like "draw up plays to confuse the defense".

I never said anything like "draw plays up to confuse the defense".

I was not talking about trick plays, shirley. I was talking about play-calling.

So, that is right there is your face, and I think you are a liar. or, I'm wrong and you are so arrogant because you are stupid and can't read well.

This surely looks like you, Shirley.

@nickers said:

And the point remains Shitmypantski is an awful head coach no matter how you choose to spin it..  But keep on keepin on...

 Don't you think it's just a *little* odd to have un-clever attempts at nicknames for people you don't like?   And don't you notice the, I guess I'll say "brand" of people who do that on here? 

Look, I want to like you.  But I need people to be reasonable. 

I think there's a collective short term memory here. 

Hue Jackson was awful 

Pat Shurmur was awful 

Freddie Kitchens was awful 

Jim O Neil was fucking horrendous 

When we over-apply words, they lose the gravity of their impact. 

I'd ask you this, would a great head coach have beaten the Patriots with this roster? 

@tiamat63 said:

/topic/72904

10/16

Sorry, I said "confuse" instead of "fool" 

The point remains the same for both you and I.   

And never call me a liar again. 

And the point remains Shitmypantski is an awful head coach no matter how you choose to spin it..  But keep on keepin on...

Your inferiority complexes have inferiority complexes, cal.

@calfoxwc said:

oh, and I was talking about his play-calling.

and, you are a liar. I searched for "draw up plays to confuse the defense" in this entire thread, and the only result was your post. 

/topic/72904

10/16

Sorry, I said "confuse" instead of "fool" 

The point remains the same for both you and I.   

And never call me a liar again. 

@tiamat63 said:

(Troy Aikman, Chris Collinsworth blah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blahblah blah blah)

I never said anything about Vrabel intending to insult your stupanski, Shirley.

Those of us who have been criticizing stupanski's play calling watch the game without playing with our egos, or worse.

Even your sweetheart head coach said his play calling needs to improve.

So, that is straight from the horse's mouth, you pompous, bloviated horses ass.

  Have a nice day in pouty Shirley Land.

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/kevin-stefanski-shares-update-on-cleveland-browns-playcalling-situation-01k7fh1rea3h

Kevin Stefanski shares update on Cleveland Browns' playcalling situation