@texasag1969 said:

I had him on my FFL team he first 6 weeks and he never did shit. His best day was 64 yd receiving and in our league you get points based on yds and scoring. He never met the 70 yd scoring threshold and never had a TD. He rode my bench the entire time. O points in 6 weeks, so I dropped him at our 6 week drop/redraft date. BTW Jeudy rode my bench too with the same result. Best day was 66 yd receiving. Never scored a TD. Dropped his ass too.

I picked Jeanty # 1  and Hampton with my 2nd pick. Needless to say i am not doing well,Fucking rookies, but i do have Fanin and he did well last week

@syd said:

just in time for myself to put in the raiders D against them this weekend, So from what i understand he has been playing more on O than D and i have no idea how much of a lose he will be,,Just keep losing jags , Just keep losing 

I had him on my FFL team he first 6 weeks and he never did shit. His best day was 64 yd receiving and in our league you get points based on yds and scoring. He never met the 70 yd scoring threshold and never had a TD. He rode my bench the entire time. O points in 6 weeks, so I dropped him at our 6 week drop/redraft date. BTW Jeudy rode my bench too with the same result. Best day was 66 yd receiving. Never scored a TD. Dropped his ass too.

@orion said:

The Jags have put Travis Hunter on IR (knee).  I haven't been following his exploits.  I know that he wanted to be a starter on both sides of the ball but I don't know how much he played on D.  But I assume that it now makes them weaker at 2 positions?  

just in time for myself to put in the raiders D against them this weekend, So from what i understand he has been playing more on O than D and i have no idea how much of a lose he will be,,Just keep losing jags , Just keep losing 

@nickers said:

But as we saw with Anthony Schwantz... Fast doesn't always translate to good or great..

Nor does it translate to fast in an NFL game for those that don't know where they're going or how to get there (ie; experienced veterans playing faster than rookies in spite of footspeed).  Vision also plays a big role per my last post above. 

I didn't see your post before - but great point Nicks!

@orion said:

Whoa!  Do you mean Gabriel should be able to drop kick an extra point?  Can ya still do that from the 2 yard line?

? ? Knock it off! 

To answer your question though... Not sure - but my guess is Gabriel would have to be able to move like Flutie (and we've seen that's not possible) in order to execute such a thing.  Flutie was as agile is it gets not to mention how quick he was (and I'm talking game speed not stop watch).  Some stop watch gems that can't see the field well (straight ahead or peripherally) aren't as fast at the speed of NFL Game.   Will Gabriel vs Sanders reach the level QB controversy Rob Johnson vs Doug Flutie got to in Buffalo?

OK-plug for the book is done. Thanks for listening.?

@flugel said:

Yeah, we're on the same page this is the type of talent we needed in the round 3 spot where we drafted the next Doug Flutie instead.  

Whoa!  Do you mean Gabriel should be able to drop kick an extra point?  Can ya still do that from the 2 yard line?

@dutch-oven said:

I just happen to have the Lindy's Draft Guide right here...

They had Marcus Mbow as a 1st/2nd round prospect. 

Yeah, we're on the same page this is the type of talent we needed in the round 3 spot where we drafted the next Doug Flutie instead.  

@flugel said:

My Athlon Draft Guide had him projected for round 3. Unfortunately my wife used my Lindy's Draft Guide as a fly swatter so I can't remember where they had him projected; since she's a lot stronger and tougher Calfox News -  I didn't give her a hard time about it.  

I just happen to have the Lindy's Draft Guide right here...

They had Marcus Mbow as a 1st/2nd round prospect. 

@dutch-oven said:

I remember that you wanted him in your mock drafts and that he fell farther than either you or I figured he would, glad to hear he's doing well. 

Would've been a good choice for the Browns. I still cannot believe the Browns used a top 100 pick on Gabriel. 

My Athlon Draft Guide had him projected for round 3. Unfortunately my wife used my Lindy's Draft Guide as a fly swatter so I can't remember where they had him projected; since she's a lot stronger and tougher than Calfox News -  I didn't give her a hard time about it.  

@flugel said:

Precisely!  Here's a 5th round Tackle (Marcus Mbow) the NYG took this year.  He was a RT at Purdue (earlier on he played OG); but he got his 1st opportunity to start at LT.  Here's a video of him narrated by Former NFL Offensive Lineman Brian Baldinger:

I remember that you wanted him in your mock drafts and that he fell farther than either you or I figured he would, glad to hear he's doing well. 

Would've been a good choice for the Browns. I still cannot believe the Browns used a top 100 pick on Gabriel. 

@dutch-oven said:

Taking a 5'9" QB with middling athletic tools in the 3rd round instead of, say, a wide receiver or OLineman on a team that desperately needs them doesn't make sense analytically. (Or in any other sense either)

Makes perfect sense if you don't know shit about real football. And they don't.

@dutch-oven said:

And as much as people want to yell and scream and throw themselves on the ground and pitch a fit that thinking is analytics. 

Taking info/trends and seeing what generally works and what doesn't work. 

Taking a 5'9" QB with middling athletic tools in the 3rd round instead of, say, a wide receiver or OLineman on a team that desperately needs them doesn't make sense analytically. (Or in any other sense either)

Precisely!  Here's a 5th round Tackle (Marcus Mbow) the NYG took this year.  He was a RT at Purdue (earlier on he played OG); but he got his 1st opportunity to start at LT.  Here's a video of him narrated by Former NFL Offensive Lineman Brian Baldinger:

@orion said:

To me, a 5'9" QB is like having a 240 lb jockey.    

? Classic stuff!!!

Any combination of Tackles the Browns currently go with has to make any QB here feel as comfortable as Sadaam Hussein once felt when all he had standing between him and the American troops were two 69 year old security guards...

@orion said:

I harken

do you ? do you really harken ? I do sometimes also and do not remember much good from this franchise since 99

@dutch-oven said:

And as much as people want to yell and scream and throw themselves on the ground and pitch a fit that thinking is analytics.

...and next I'll be branded as antifa.     Yes, technically gathering information of any kind for the intended use of analyzing is analytics.  

 - Taking a 5'9" QB with middling athletic tools in the 3rd round instead of, say, a wide receiver or OLineman on a team that desperately needs them doesn't make sense analytically. (Or in any other sense either) - 

Except that we needed a QB really badly too.  And QB trumps all.  (one could argue that THIS QB doesn't trump all...but it did to them).  I had heard, post draft, that a couple of teams planned on taking Gabriel before the Browns next pick...but that's here-say.  

Being prejudice against midget QB's, I'd like to skip straight to the taller Sanders and see if he's as bad as he looked against the Rams in preseason.  

To me, a 5'9" QB is like having a 240 lb jockey.    

@orion said:

Right!   And being a tall, strong armed QB doesn't always translate to good/great (Derrick Anderson).  But having things that can't be taught is a good starting point.

And as much as people want to yell and scream and throw themselves on the ground and pitch a fit that thinking is analytics. 

Taking info/trends and seeing what generally works and what doesn't work. 

Taking a 5'9" QB with middling athletic tools in the 3rd round instead of, say, a wide receiver or OLineman on a team that desperately needs them doesn't make sense analytically. (Or in any other sense either)

@nickers said:

Fast doesn't always translate to good or great..

Right!   And being a tall, strong armed QB doesn't always translate to good/great (Derrick Anderson).  But having things that can't be taught is a good starting point.

@orion said:

And I harken back to the words of the wise old sage..."We're not interested in 4 yard runs.  We want 13 yard passes."  Paul DePodesta.  Well, will ya settle for 4 yard passes then?

The hope was that Thrash would become a force in the passing game in his 2nd year.  The year isn't over but it doesn't look like he's becoming a force.

Tillman?  I forget what he looks like.  Oh yeah...Bernie's number...he's a good blocker (for a receiver).  Another 2 catches/game guy.  Our only full size receiver.  6'3"

Isaiah out on Bond - Another rookie.  Had no TC or Preseason with us.  ( 2nd leading WR )  Made a nice catch once.  Supposed to be fast.

...It's sad because we really need a Travis Henry on the team.  But we traded him away because we've got no QB.  It's almost a Chicken and the Egg thing in that what good is a QB without half decent receivers...and what good are half decent receivers without a QB.  But the reality is that we do have a couple of good pass catching TE's and RB's.  The QB actually does come before the egg.  So we did the right thing in setting ourselves us up for the April '26 draft with 2 picks for a QB.  

Top priorities for the offseason:  QB ( if needed...and it's looking that way ),  OL, WR.    Everything else is several rungs of the ladder below.  If we pick a QB towards the top of the draft in April, then EVERY remaining pick should be OL or WR.  ( that's what Mike Ditka would do )  

But as we saw with Anthony Schwantz... Fast doesn't always translate to good or great..

@bob806 said:

you can't keep throwing 4 yard passes all day.

And I harken back to the words of the wise old sage..."We're not interested in 4 yard runs.  We want 13 yard passes."  Paul DePodesta.  Well, will ya settle for 4 yard passes then?

The hope was that Thrash would become a force in the passing game in his 2nd year.  The year isn't over but it doesn't look like he's becoming a force.

Tillman?  I forget what he looks like.  Oh yeah...Bernie's number...he's a good blocker (for a receiver).  Another 2 catches/game guy.  Our only full size receiver.  6'3"

Isaiah out on Bond - Another rookie.  Had no TC or Preseason with us.  ( 2nd leading WR )  Made a nice catch once.  Supposed to be fast.

...It's sad because we really need a Travis Henry on the team.  But we traded him away because we've got no QB.  It's almost a Chicken and the Egg thing in that what good is a QB without half decent receivers...and what good are half decent receivers without a QB.  But the reality is that we do have a couple of good pass catching TE's and RB's.  The QB actually does come before the egg.  So we did the right thing in setting ourselves us up for the April '26 draft with 2 picks for a QB.  

Top priorities for the offseason:  QB ( if needed...and it's looking that way ),  OL, WR.    Everything else is several rungs of the ladder below.  If we pick a QB towards the top of the draft in April, then EVERY remaining pick should be OL or WR.  ( that's what Mike Ditka would do )  

@bob806 said:

you can't keep throwing 4 yard passes all day. 

Gabriel, well it really looks like a reach. Hope I'm wrong, but damn you can't keep throwing 4 yard passes all day. 

@orion said:

So, we're not where we hoped we'd be at the Bye.  One could argue that we could've easily won two more games...but it wouldn't change what we look like on the field.