That is a fact! ........all the rest about the owner is Bullshit

.(Are EM and GK) the right evaluators? NO

How long was Baltimore without a team before they kissed Modell's feet ? A lot longer than Cleveland was without a team, which they got back - COLORS, NAME AND HERITAGE - because of the dedication of a fanbase !

John Unitas was the best player ever to play QB, but he's not a Raven. Ted Hendricks, Mike Curtis, Tom Matte, John Mackay, etc. all COLTS. Baltimore let that legacy get away. Shame on you for losing that and then falling at the feet of Art Modell.

Cleveland, although without a team in the late '90's, STILL has Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Leroy Kelly, Bernie Kosar, Kevin Mack, Ernest Byner, Clay Matthews, etc. etc. in THEIR books.

What Baltimore lost was a travesty. What Cleveland did was prove the integrity of a city and fanbase.

Why the program is still weak has nothing to do with who you're arguing with here, schmuck. These are all dedicated fans and you're simply here to stir shit with that crowd. Your argument is not for football or history or ownership or any other legitimate reason, but to prance in your black and purple colors which you sold out for and chased away your heritage to get.

Yea, enjoy the Ravens for now. Who knows, your kid might be cheering for some other team name in the NFL in Baltimore in years to come.

It unfortunately wouldnt be impossible to get another owner as bad as randy lerner if he did sell...its a risky proposition but keep in mind art modell cried aloud as he told the press al lerner is not the right owner for the browns and none of us listened and patted ourselves on the back as the nfl voted in favor of this non football dynasty...to mr. lerner this team is nothing but a trophy with a title that only 32 people in the world get the destinction of having at a time after 7 years do you really believe the browns are anything more to him...

This fanbases arse is so far up into the clouds while it in reality is swimming around in a sewer that its hopeless...

@brownshirt said:

Actually the Modell family were all aristocrats up in Waite Hill by Kirtland. Maybe bp 52 is david modell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocrats_(film)

this is just me. i'm a sick, classless troglodyte.

and even david is smarter than this no-talent ass clown.

@jewdago said:

you come into a place where you don't belong just to start shit? xxxx you. get the xxxx out. you're a mindless prick, xxxxing internet tough guy, and you live in baltimore, a city so shitty that the wire is set there. have fun with your toothless whores and drug trafficking.

because you're here to get attention, i'll give it to you. here's my estimation of your family:

your mom, wishing that she'd aborted you because you're an idiot mongol, sticks you with a junkie's leftover needle and gives you AIDS. then, in a fit of guilt, she tries to make it up to you by sucking your dick, therefore getting AIDS herself.

you dad find out what happened and goes on a bestiality tear through mexico. while getting xxxxed by a donkey, his rectum tears and he starts to hemorrhage. your mother, grief-stricken with the thought of having to again become a toothless baltimore whore, tries to shove his intestine back into his shattered colon. they rip, and she smears herself with a combination of your father's feces and his blood in her abysmal pain.

out of her mind with grief, your mom goes back to baltimore, digs up your grandmother's rotting corpse, takes it to mexico and mops up your father's blood and shit with it. she then hires larry the cable guy to cut off your grandmother's right arm and fist her with it, because being stuffed with giant objects is the only way her distended, gaping xxxx can feel anything.

she then asks larry to piss in her mouth and shit in her face, just because she wants to.

in one last attempt to finally end your worthless life before she, too, kills herself, your mom buries you next to a colony of fire ants, then get a horse to shit on your head. your mom then jacks off the horse, sucks as much of its cum as she can into her mouth, then spits it into your face before she licks larry the cable guy's asshole. she then kills herself by slitting her throat, sprays you with her blood, and, with her last breath, curses you for ever being born.

the aristocrats.

die a thousand deaths, you worthless piece of shit.

Hey JD, was that in the movie? Caught just the last couple of minutes of it. If so who was the comedian? Or is this your version?

Actually the Modell family were all aristocrats up in Waite Hill by Kirtland. Maybe bp 52 is david modell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aristocrats_(film)

No wonder Modell moved from fans like you.

you come into a place where you don't belong just to start shit? xxxx you. get the xxxx out. you're a mindless prick, xxxxing internet tough guy, and you live in baltimore, a city so shitty that the wire is set there. have fun with your toothless whores and drug trafficking.

because you're here to get attention, i'll give it to you. here's my estimation of your family:

your mom, wishing that she'd aborted you because you're an idiot mongol, sticks you with a junkie's leftover needle and gives you AIDS. then, in a fit of guilt, she tries to make it up to you by sucking your dick, therefore getting AIDS herself.

you dad find out what happened and goes on a bestiality tear through mexico. while getting xxxxed by a donkey, his rectum tears and he starts to hemorrhage. your mother, grief-stricken with the thought of having to again become a toothless baltimore whore, tries to shove his intestine back into his shattered colon. they rip, and she smears herself with a combination of your father's feces and his blood in her abysmal pain.

out of her mind with grief, your mom goes back to baltimore, digs up your grandmother's rotting corpse, takes it to mexico and mops up your father's blood and shit with it. she then hires larry the cable guy to cut off your grandmother's right arm and fist her with it, because being stuffed with giant objects is the only way her distended, gaping xxxx can feel anything.

she then asks larry to piss in her mouth and shit in her face, just because she wants to.

in one last attempt to finally end your worthless life before she, too, kills herself, your mom buries you next to a colony of fire ants, then get a horse to shit on your head. your mom then jacks off the horse, sucks as much of its cum as she can into her mouth, then spits it into your face before she licks larry the cable guy's asshole. she then kills herself by slitting her throat, sprays you with her blood, and, with her last breath, curses you for ever being born.

the aristocrats.

die a thousand deaths, you worthless piece of shit.

So you applaud Irsay for leaving a city but decry Modell for doing the same? Both owners left and went on to success. What is wrong with that?

It was legal and the owners approved it.

You have had 10 years and are still one of the worst teams that drafts very high every year. Most teams would kill to draft in the spots you do yearly.

And Modell will make it into the hall of fame. He has nothing to do with Irsay. You have your decades mixed up buddy.

I guess when you look at Super Bowls Ravens (1) and Browns zero. Ravens did it in four years and have been competitive since leaving Cleveland. Guess that punch in the gut hurts huh?

@bestplayer52 said:

They didn't steal a Super Bowl winner. They invited an owner who wanted to win to play football for their city..

The Browns have had 10 years to build a winner. Don't blame others for your shortcomings.

Ravens did it in 4 years and now have built a Monster in the AFC..

The Ravens had 50 years of history to draw on when they went onto their Superbowl run. It's easy to be a good team when you have solid players at most every spot and can draft players you want rather than ones you need. The Browns had terrible expansion players and awful drafts because we've had jackshit for front office intelligence since it was all moved with the team to Baltimore.

On another note, who here would have been Browns fans if the team had moved to Baltimore and been the Baltimore Browns? Is it a loyalty to the city or the team?

@thomas5737 said:

Boy, the truth hurts. well I would have talked my game about Modell last week but no Browns fans showed up for the game. I guess you guys don't travel too well to Baltimore - home of the 1st place Ravens.

@bestplayer52 said:

No arguing with those stats.

Leave Modell alone or else.

Dude, trust me, this is a conversation that you would want to have in person with a Browns fan. We can't make our point as well with typed words as we could face to face. Take my advice, find a Browns fan and start this conversation with him in person, preferably with someone who is/was actually from Cleveland.

@inspecta said:

It's quite silly really....whoops....oh shit....I'm probably gonna get a 2 day ban for that line...oh well....

Uhoh. Natives are getting restless again. Of course, the pot has yet again been stirred, but that will be conveniently ignored. Or deleted.

But you and I know the truth!

@vegasdogg said:

Of course not, DD. He hasn't stepped over some invisible line that is randomly 'enforced' by Stan.

Since bestplayer52 has ignored my question twice, I'm going to figure he just threw that out there as random spew, and hasn't a clue what he is talking about. Probably heard the adults talking and wanted to play pretend.

(isn't this the guy that came on here the other night writing a lot like G H O O L I E?)

@bestplayer52 said:

No arguing with those stats.

Leave Modell alone or else.

What the hell does modell even have to do with this.... ohhhh wait thats right... nothing.

He was such a horrible business man. That in order to stay in the positive he had to sell his soul and move a then proud and historic franchise to a dirty, broken down city that the NFL didnt want anything to do with. (thus Carolina and Jacksonville)

And again showing his "brilliance" as a business man had to sell the ownership of his team because he again lost money....

how that happened in the first place beats me seeing that even in the "old sub par" Cleveland Municipal Stadium the old browns sold out every game...

Art Modell is a rat, and a horrible excuse for a human being will rot in hell for what he did!!!!

And mark my words when and i said WHEN our day comes our wins will be so much sweeter cause our team is pure we didnt have to steal our franchise the NFL actually likes Cleveland

@bestplayer52 said:

No arguing with those stats.

Leave Modell alone or else.

Dumbass, you brought it up...put away your bong and go home; you don't belong here nor are you welcome.

@bestplayer52 said:

How do other teams turn it around and win Super Bowls without Ozzie?

The Patriots never employed Ozzie.

The Steelers never did

The AZ Cardinals didn't and they turned it around quickly

Did the Colts have Ozzie? no. They have been steller for 10 plus years.

How about Miami? The Jets? Are they crying about ten years ago?

Only the Browns cry and whine and bellyache.

TEAMS TURN IT AROUND AND WIN. They become competitive not complacent and certainly not blubbering 8th graders who stomp their feet and have to stand in the corner because they can't figure out how to put a jigsaw puzzle together.

The Ravens have accomplished more since 2000 than your cub scout troop who gets embarrassed every weekend. But hey - blame Modell for your shortcomings.

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this thread about how Modell screwed the Browns. Not how all of the other franchises like the Pats, Steelers, Colts have become successful. However, if you need me to explain that to you, I will certainly do so. In simple terms, of course, so you can follow along.

This, by the way, is neither crying nor bellyaching ... it is stating simple facts. Modell screwed us. Lucky for you, he sold the team before he could screw you too.

No arguing with those stats.

Leave Modell alone or else.

How do other teams turn it around and win Super Bowls without Ozzie?

The Patriots never employed Ozzie.

The Steelers never did

The AZ Cardinals didn't and they turned it around quickly

Did the Colts have Ozzie? no. They have been steller for 10 plus years.

How about Miami? The Jets? Are they crying about ten years ago?

Only the Browns cry and whine and bellyache.

TEAMS TURN IT AROUND AND WIN. They become competitive not complacent and certainly not blubbering 8th graders who stomp their feet and have to stand in the corner because they can't figure out how to put a jigsaw puzzle together.

The Ravens have accomplished more since 2000 than your cub scout troop who gets embarrassed every weekend. But hey - blame Modell for your shortcomings.

@bestplayer52 said:

Brady Quinn first round

Winslow first round.

passed on Rothelisberger

passed on Adrian Peterson

It is no one's fault you cannot draft. you passed on too many players and now are drafting linemen who don't have a QB, RB, or receivers and not to mention a marshmellow defense. Is this Modell's fault because he won a Super Bowl 10 years ago and is the dominant AFC team today?

Let me simplify this:

It is Modell fault because he moved the team. If the team was still here, we would still have Ozzie Newsome and thus all the brilliant draft choices and managerial decisions that have made your team good and brought you a SB.

Really, what part of that don't you understand? It isn't rocket science.