@nickers said:

What a tough break!

The Browns always seem to get snake bitten

Ernie Davis

Don Rodgers

Eric Turner

Nick Chubb

JOK

Pun intended?

Breaking your neck or spine is an especially tough thing to happen!  Those are the last bones you would want to seriously injure for reasons that don’t need explained!!

@nickers said:

I used to call him "First down Tommy".. But I loved Leroy Hoard.. While he wasn't elite... He played his heart out... He was a great kid on top...

That post reminded me of another big 250 lb beast we used to have by the name of Peyton Hillis. And he was a beast.

His first year here he was unstoppable…then he fizzled out rather quickly. It amazes me how the hell such a dramatic decline could happen.

@flugel said:

All true. Thanks! Geez, even back then Belichick's football psychic was saying "Brady is going to change your success as a Head Coach."  Of course, it woulda helped if that psychic clarified the 1st name and calendar year.  

Before that happened Belichick drafted Touchdown-free Tommy Vardell in 1992 at #9 overall.  Sometimes I wonder when Ozzie Newsome credited Belichick for teaching him how to organize/set-up the draft board in Cleveland - if a big part of that also taught him that even smart football minds have a learning curve at first. For example, BB later drafted Leroy Hoard in round 2 - the 1 Michigan guy since Thom Darden that was worth it.  He was so physical during that 94 season that he made the Pro Bowl as a FB when he actually only played RB.  In 91, he only started 9 games but had 2 rush TDs & 9 receiving TDs (48 rec for 567 yards while avg 4.2 per carry).  We got more out of him than Metcalf up the middle (loved him as a KR/PR guy and would have adored him in the slot like all of these rest of his teams did).

I used to call him "First down Tommy".. But I loved Leroy Hoard.. While he wasn't elite... He played his heart out... He was a great kid on top...

@dutch-oven said:

I swear the stories I heard about that was that the Browns:

1. Really wanted TE Kyle Brady but he was taken a pick before the Browns, so the Browns traded all the way down from #10 overall to #30. In the trade, they would end up with the 49ers 1996 first round pick, which Baltimore would use on Ray Lewis. 

or...

2. Modell was so broke that he had them trade way down because he didn't have the money to pay a top 10 pick. 

All true. Thanks! Geez, even back then Belichick's football psychic was saying "Brady is going to change your success as a Head Coach."  Of course, it woulda helped if that psychic clarified the 1st name and calendar year.  

Before that happened Belichick drafted Touchdown-free Tommy Vardell in 1992 at #9 overall.  Sometimes I wonder when Ozzie Newsome credited Belichick for teaching him how to organize/set-up the draft board in Cleveland - if a big part of that also taught him that even smart football minds have a learning curve at first. For example, BB later drafted Leroy Hoard in round 2 - the 1 Michigan guy since Thom Darden that was worth it.  He was so physical during that 94 season that he made the Pro Bowl as a FB when he actually only played RB.  In 91, he only started 9 games but had 2 rush TDs & 9 receiving TDs (48 rec for 567 yards while avg 4.2 per carry).  We got more out of him than Metcalf up the middle (loved him as a KR/PR guy and would have adored him in the slot like all of these rest of his teams did).

@flugel said:

WAY TO GO DUTCH - You just won today's I KNOW MY SHIT AWARD!!!!!  You can cash it in later for some cold beer in frosted mugs if I ever get back to Cleveland again.

JMO, both he and Lorenzo Styles should have played 1 more year of college football before entering the draft.  Powell was a good special teams player with the Jets after he left Cleveland - but that's an old man's memory here so it may need to be fact checked.

I swear the stories I heard about that was that the Browns:

1. Really wanted TE Kyle Brady but he was taken a pick before the Browns, so the Browns traded all the way down from #10 overall to #30. In the trade, they would end up with the 49ers 1996 first round pick, which Baltimore would use on Ray Lewis. 

or...

2. Modell was so broke that he had them trade way down because he didn't have the money to pay a top 10 pick. 

@dutch-oven said:

Craig Powell

WAY TO GO DUTCH - You just won today's I KNOW MY SHIT AWARD!!!!!  You can cash it in later for some cold beer in frosted mugs if I ever get back to Cleveland again.

JMO, both he and Lorenzo Styles should have played 1 more year of college football before entering the draft.  Powell was a good special teams player with the Jets after he left Cleveland - but that's an old man's memory here so it may need to be fact checked.

@bob806 said:

Could you imagine an Arvell Reese/ Schwesinger LB duo?

Sorry about JOK, he had great football instincts.

Reese is getting a lot of love and I've seen a mock draft with him even going #1 overall to the Giants (keeping in mind they already drafted QB Jaxson Dart in round 1 this year). I think Reese is a great football player; but I'm gonna be unpopular here and say I wouldn't take him in our first draft slot.  That doesn't mean I'm right - it's just my feeling about taking him that high. I want to see him take over game before I join in and wanting him that high.  If he's the next Lawrence Taylor making every offense we play needing to account for where he is on every day - I'll have a picture of me wearing my village idiot hat ready every time I need to post it. None of us were even talking about Carson Schwesinger before the 2025 draft let alone in upper round 2 so there's gonna be very good LBers that can help us in other spots.

There's a LBer I think we can steal in round 3.  He's Texas Tech LB (Jacob Rodriguez rumored to go anywhere from round 2 to day 3). He's the Butkus Award Winner, Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year, Bednarik Award Winner for Defensive Player of the Year, Bronko Nagurski Award Winner for Best Defensive Player. Just watch the highlights of #10 here - it's hard to believe he started his college career off as a QB with Virginia.  The 1 thing Cleveland does not have on their defense is a guy that frequently dislodges the football from the opponents - so watch how often he does this extremely well. I think he'd by a dynamite LBer I'd love to see working tag-team with Schwesinger after we've already drafted an elite WR or LT or both.

@dutch-oven said:

Sonny Styles wouldn’t be bad either

Trivia: Without looking this up and relying strictly on semi-short term memory. Who was the teammate of Sonny Styles' dad (Lorenzo) at Ohio State who played in the same LBer Corps that was drafted by the Browns (HC Bill Belichick) in the 1st round at #30 overall after his junior year in 1995?

@nickers said:

What a tough break!

The Browns always seem to get snake bitten

Ernie Davis

Don Rodgers

Eric Turner

Nick Chubb

JOK

Nice job with that Nicks! 

With the 2000 1st overall pick Courtney Brown off to an unlucky start with injuries in his 1st 2 years - LB Jamir Miller seemed to be just what the doctor ordered for the Browns defense when they transitioned him from a 2 point stance to putting a hand down on the edge.  Wow!  Because this is the Cleveland Browns check out the cut and paste below as to how long fate allowed us to celebrate such a talent after his Pro Bowl season in 2001.  Spoiler alert: 1 preseason game on turf in Minnesota in 2002...

@bob806 said:

Could you imagine an Arvell Reese/ Schwesinger LB duo?

Sorry about JOK, he had great football instincts.

Sonny Styles wouldn’t be bad either

The Browns always seem to get snake bitten

Ernie Davis

Don Rodgers

Eric Turner

Nick Chubb

JOK

Sorry about JOK, he had great football instincts.

He’s still stylish as ever and even did a photoshoot for Guzangs magazine, which l gather is an African fashion magazine. Link below.

 https://guzangs.com/?p=12214

He’s real active in non-profit activities in Ghana. I think he either created a foundation or he’s heavily involved in one. I agree with Dutch that he’ll be fine outside of football. He’s got a good head on his shoulders and plenty of moxie. 

I also gather he’s been as active as he can be with the team, and l have a sneaking suspicion that he misses being out there. I could be wrong, but the guy played with enough fire that l don’t think l am.

I agree that Jeremiah and Carson would be a mighty LB duo. A couple slippery sure tacklers with difficult last names to spell. 

I would be really surprised if he ever plays again. I remember someone last off-season referring to him as "Coach" which would be an odd thing to do to a guy people expect to play again. 

He strikes me as someone who will be fine outside of football, kind of like Myles. Loves football but football isn't everything he loves, seems to come from an educated family. 

As for JOK, I haven't heard anything.  I have pretty much forgotten about the guy, assuming he has a broken neck and pretty much done playing football.  At least the kid can walk and lead a normal life.