@vaportrail said:

Sorry to inform you, but this is the exact thing that cal is doing for Babbitt. Horseshoe theory in action.

no, I am explaining the difference - one, the woman used her car as a deadly weapon. A deadly response is justified when confronted with a deadly weapon. I have ccw, the training explains this.

   Walking through a doorway or window during a rally that goes into the building - arrest her, ok, but murdering her? Gunning down a woman because she is trespassing? 

   Even in Ohio - 

"Ohio's "castle doctrine" allows individuals to use reasonable force, including deadly force, to protect themselves, their home, or their vehicle when they reasonably believe it is necessary to prevent injury, loss, or risk to life or safety. The law also includes a "stand your ground" provision, meaning there is no duty to retreat before using force in self-defense."

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    Meaning, even if some drunk guy kicks in our door, totally unarmed and yelling at someone he knows....apparently has the wrong house.....I would not shoot him. It isn't a deadly threat to us. Get him back out, or fight him if he starts it.....

   but this capitol police officer (my opinion) murdered Babbit. No "stand your ground", NO LETHAL THREAT, UNARMED, ....just trespassing.

  The biden radical regime hacks said that the killing was justified, well, I think that's baloney.

  It isn't a top secret military installation Vapor. This officer should have simply arrested her. 

   But on Jan. 6th, pelosi and others apparently worked to refuse the National Guard from being there - against Pres Trump's wishes....and they had a couple hundred FEDERAL UNDERCOVER AGENTS there.

   They wanted to discredit that rally. They wanted a crisis to use politically. And that is why I think someone ok'd that capitol officer hack to shoot Ashley Babbit. She was no threat to him.

   Vapor, your attempt to draw a comparison between the two is so superficial, you should know better.

@mld-woody said:

For this one, I have my own two eyes and multiple video angles. I know the context of ICE and the campaign they're on.

With a heavily biased view.

@vaportrail said:

Saying that my argument is wrong doesn't make my argument wrong. Please justify why.

You are a liberal ideologue who is doing mental gymnastics to excuse an idiot's actions that led to her completely avoidable death. Sorry to inform you, but this is the exact thing that cal is doing for Babbitt. Horseshoe theory in action.

Your argument here is wrong because you're discounting the fact that a car is a deadly weapon, omitted that she gunned the accelerator while it was pointed at him, and literally hit him. 

I've walked through it multiple times on here man. With have plenty of evidence on both. For this one, I have my own two eyes and multiple video angles. I know the context of ICE and the campaign they're on. I see multiple shots after the car has passed. I see the car being steered away from him, which is an odd thing to do if you want to run him over. I hear the mountain of lies from the admin immediately after the incident. The two situations are not the same. 

You saying my argument is wrong doesn't make it wrong. Kek

Regardless, opinions of ICE and this current effort continue to drop among the public, which is a good thing. 

@mld-woody said:

Having a different view from two other parties doesn't make your view correct. 

Saying that my argument is wrong doesn't make my argument wrong. Please justify why.

You are a liberal ideologue who is doing mental gymnastics to excuse an idiot's actions that led to her completely avoidable death. Sorry to inform you, but this is the exact thing that cal is doing for Babbitt. Horseshoe theory in action.

@mld-woody said:

The agent wasn't in life or death danger. We see the car steering away from him, we see the light tap

Your argument here is wrong because you're discounting the fact that a car is a deadly weapon, omitted that she gunned the accelerator while it was pointed at him, and literally hit him. 

@mld-woody said:

Do you not care at all about the administrations repeated, blatant lies to the American public on this issue?

The agent wasn't in life or death danger. We see the car steering away from him, we see the light tap, and we see him being perfectly calm and holding his phone calmly walking to the woman he just killed calling her a fucking bitch.  Certainly not by the time he took his 2nd and 3rd shots. 

I watched the videos, I didn't even hear this administration on this issue.

His position cannot see turned wheels and when viewing, we can only see them with the frame rates slowed way down.

She also had a guy hanging on the window when she was driving erratic.

Like I said, unfortunate situation but it could have been avoided if she listened and even Ashley should have made a better choice.  

@vaportrail said:

This is the exact same argument that liberals use any time some fent addict gets shot to death by cops for failing to comply. There's not a single police force in the country that has a policy of firing warning shots. 

Not even in the same ballpark, she was still on the other side of the door and she was only entering and he could clearly see she had no weapon. He had lot's of chances himself while behind barricade. His best course of action should have been to deter the crowd from wanting to get through the door, maybe a single gun shot would have done that.

We're taught to follow police orders and we know what to expect if we charge them, can't even believe you're comparing the 2 in that manner.

@vaportrail said:

You can tell I struck a chord because both sides are offended that they're defending the same kind of behavior. 

Having a different view from two other parties doesn't make your view correct. 

Fault | Fault

No fault | No fault

No fault | Fault

Fault | No Fault

@jax said:

I said it's moot, I don't care if he did or didn't.

Do you think he had a right to defend himself?

Do you not care at all about the administrations repeated, blatant lies to the American public on this issue?

The agent wasn't in life or death danger. We see the car steering away from him, we see the light tap, and we see him being perfectly calm and holding his phone calmly walking to the woman he just killed calling her a fucking bitch.  Certainly not by the time he took his 2nd and 3rd shots. 

@axe said:

Obama's ICE Chief gets an award for massive numbers of deportations. Trump's ICE Chief gets called a NAZI for the same..

Both were Tom Homan

knew that... Libs just want to be negative and hate just to hate Trump...

Both were Tom Homan

@jax said:

He could have also fired a warning shot.

This is the exact same argument that liberals use any time some fent addict gets shot to death by cops for failing to comply. There's not a single police force in the country that has a policy of firing warning shots. 

@mld-woody said:

They're clearly different situations man. I know you want to be all "fuck everyone, kek, etc" with it but they're clearly different. I don't know what else to tell you. This is a litmus test for people and there's no convincing otherwise. 

You can tell I struck a chord because both sides are offended that they're defending the same kind of behavior. 

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@mld-woody said:

Do you think that ICE agent had serious internal bleeding?

I said it's moot, I don't care if he did or didn't.

Do you think he had a right to defend himself?

@jax said:

All moot, she put everyone's life in danger

Do you think that ICE agent had serious internal bleeding?

@mld-woody said:

If you think this agent had serious internal bleeding you're a fucking moron 

All moot, she put everyone's life in danger

@mld-woody said:

Wow, and a slur, what an intelligent post to have on this board. And what an intelligent poster 

?homo

@nickers said:

Hey you little dipshit... My cousin died 2 years ago from internal bleeding.. He was involved in a car accident by where he died 2 months later after untreated internal bleeding and organ damage that went undetected.., Take your better than thou attitude and shove it up your ass you stupid faggot...

Wow, and a slur, what an intelligent post to have on this board. And what an intelligent poster 

@mld-woody said:

If you think this agent had serious internal bleeding you're a fucking moron 

Hey you little dipshit... My cousin died 2 years ago from internal bleeding.. He was involved in a car accident by where he died 2 months later after untreated internal bleeding and organ damage that went undetected.., Take your better than thou attitude and shove it up your ass you stupid faggot...

@mld-woody said:

"internal bleeding"

Hahahahaha 

***FART***

another ignorant lie from you. deja vu all over again, eh? A bruise is superficial.

"Internal bleeding, also known as internal hemorrhage, is the loss of blood from blood vessels that collects inside the body, often due to trauma or medical conditions. It can be a serious medical emergency, as it may not be immediately visible and can lead to life-threatening complications if not treated promptly."

Hahahahaha 

A bruise is technically internal bleeding. This dude didn't have actual internal bleeding. What a load of shit. 

This admin has objectively lied to the American people multiple times. If you believe anything they say at face value you must be an idiot. No other explanation. Trump fired the head of labor statistics cuz he didn't like the numbers...